Kanye West

Re: Kanye West

Kid IRA1 — Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:55:31 -0800

I'm just gonna go on the record as saying Daft Punk songs in studio kinda suck, and Kanye improved on Stronger. Live is a different matter, though.

Re: Kanye West

xabundantiax — Tue, 22 Feb 2011 05:22:36 -0800

rodheh posted:
Imaginary_Kevin posted:
rodheh posted:
johnny_ripper posted:
rodheh posted:
How to sample a good House project's most popular track and become even more popular from it due to today's mediocre, simplistic "popular" music tastes 101.

Heeeerm, & also, has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Has anyone really been far even to phrase an actual logical, justified rebuttal instead of repeating something said constantly by /b/tards and EDiots?

A ton of Daft Punk's music relies on samples, even Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger. Unlike Kanye, to my knowledge they don't give the people they sample songwriting credits or have them appear in their music videos. If you ask me, Kanye did a lot to make sure they were recognized for their contribution and, if anything, helped introduce Daft Punk to a wider audience.

To me, the fact that Kanye samples bands like Daft Punk that fall outside of "mediocre, simplistic popular music" suggests that he is interested in expanding his own horizons and those of his fans. The guy is constantly tweaking his sound and evolving as an artist, and as far as sampling goes, he probably has one of the most eclectic palates of any hip-hop artist, mainstream or otherwise. By going through his material, I've been introduced to a lot of other really great music.

Just because something is popular doesn't necessarily mean it's simplistic and stupid. Sometimes things are popular because they're legitimately good. Crazy concept, I know.

I know things can be legitimately popular because they are good, how do you think Trent got where he is today?

I'm not against sampling. The difference between Daft and Kanye is that I personally believe Kanye is a fucking douchebag with little creativity contrasted to other rappers and part of the consumerism attitude of today's music...oh, and I just don't like his music. Go figure.

90% of the millions of stupid teenagers that love that song would not like Daft Punk, and do not like Daft Punk. I know that because I've hung around them. Most of them, do not know Daft Punk and believe that Kanye created that song entirely himself. Either way, my opinion stands. You don't have to agree with it.

I agree that Kanye is creative by using the Daft sample, however I do have to agree that it did not necessarily make Daft Punk very well known. I also know a lot of people that thought Kanye made that entire song, not even knowing who Daft is. For me, this is what introduced Daft to me and then I showed it to a lot of my friends.
Daft Bodies

Re: Kanye West

Imaginary_Kevin — Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:07:23 -0800

rodheh posted:
I know things can be legitimately popular because they are good, how do you think Trent got where he is today?

I'm not against sampling. The difference between Daft and Kanye is that I personally believe Kanye is a fucking douchebag with little creativity contrasted to other rappers and part of the consumerism attitude of today's music...oh, and I just don't like his music. Go figure.

90% of the millions of stupid teenagers that love that song would not like Daft Punk, and do not like Daft Punk. I know that because I've hung around them. Most of them, do not know Daft Punk and believe that Kanye created that song entirely himself. Either way, my opinion stands. You don't have to agree with it.

If you don't like him because his music simply doesn't appeal to you aurally, I get that. It's totally subjective. When you say he's part of the "consumerism attitude of today's music", I don't find it exactly clear in what way you think Kanye West is contributing to this. If you mean the content of his music, most of the material he's been putting out over the last few years actually rebels against it. He talks about how wealthy he has become and how he is a consumer himself, living an expensive, decadent lifestyle, but how deeply unsatisfying it all is on an emotional and spiritual level. He's delivering an honest message that there's a void that no amount of money or fame can fill.

Now, if you mean he contributes to consumerism over the way his records are sold, I wouldn't really know what his label does on their end. What I can say though is that it's pretty obvious to me Kanye isn't motivated simply by making money. The guy's not a ringtone artist and like I said, he always seems to be evolving when a lot of other artists who are making bullshit music are perfectly content to spit out the same thing again and again, because it doesn't take a lot of effort and people know it will sell. I also know he gives out a nice amount of free music. Last year he released a track a week, either an exclusive or an early version of something from his upcoming album, for free. By the time Twisted Fantasy came out, he had released enough free material that it could have been released as a second album or at least as B-sides. Some of it was really good shit. It's easy to lump Kanye into that cesspool of bad mainstream music, but I don't think he belongs there.

As a side note, funny you would accuse another artist of perpetuating consumerism when the most recent projects Daft Punk has been involved in was putting themselves into DJ Hero and writing the soundtrack for a Disney film. I mean, I love Daft Punk but you can hardly point to that and say they they didn't do it for the money.

As for your final point, your statistic, "90% of millions of stupid teenagers" is a generalization, as is saying you know this to be true because you're around them. From experience, I know how frustrating it is to be surrounded by, well, idiots. But what I've come to learn is that the people who live in your small town or your circle of influence in no way represent the population of the entire world. I also know from experience how annoying it is to have a favorite artists' work mistaken for another. I remember when Johnny Cash covered "Hurt". A lot of my friends were raving about it and saying how they liked it much more than the "Nine Inch Nails cover of the song". This aggravated me to no end, and I constantly found myself correcting people about it, once during a class presentation a few people were giving about the song. The thing is though, not once did I ever blame Johnny Cash for the problem. It's not like he ever implied the song was his, and as I said earlier, neither did Kanye West in Daft Punk's case. In fact, it seems that he put some effort in to make sure people recognized them. So, I guess what I'm saying is, if you're going to blame anyone for not knowing who DP is, blame the ignorant listeners, not the artist.

As you said, though, you and I are both entitled to our respective opinions.

Re: Kanye West

rodheh — Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:31:03 -0800

Imaginary_Kevin posted:
rodheh posted:
johnny_ripper posted:
rodheh posted:
How to sample a good House project's most popular track and become even more popular from it due to today's mediocre, simplistic "popular" music tastes 101.

Heeeerm, & also, has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Has anyone really been far even to phrase an actual logical, justified rebuttal instead of repeating something said constantly by /b/tards and EDiots?

A ton of Daft Punk's music relies on samples, even Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger. Unlike Kanye, to my knowledge they don't give the people they sample songwriting credits or have them appear in their music videos. If you ask me, Kanye did a lot to make sure they were recognized for their contribution and, if anything, helped introduce Daft Punk to a wider audience.

To me, the fact that Kanye samples bands like Daft Punk that fall outside of "mediocre, simplistic popular music" suggests that he is interested in expanding his own horizons and those of his fans. The guy is constantly tweaking his sound and evolving as an artist, and as far as sampling goes, he probably has one of the most eclectic palates of any hip-hop artist, mainstream or otherwise. By going through his material, I've been introduced to a lot of other really great music.

Just because something is popular doesn't necessarily mean it's simplistic and stupid. Sometimes things are popular because they're legitimately good. Crazy concept, I know.

I know things can be legitimately popular because they are good, how do you think Trent got where he is today?

I'm not against sampling. The difference between Daft and Kanye is that I personally believe Kanye is a fucking douchebag with little creativity contrasted to other rappers and part of the consumerism attitude of today's music...oh, and I just don't like his music. Go figure.

90% of the millions of stupid teenagers that love that song would not like Daft Punk, and do not like Daft Punk. I know that because I've hung around them. Most of them, do not know Daft Punk and believe that Kanye created that song entirely himself. Either way, my opinion stands. You don't have to agree with it.

Re: Kanye West

Imaginary_Kevin — Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:06:10 -0800

rodheh posted:
johnny_ripper posted:
rodheh posted:
How to sample a good House project's most popular track and become even more popular from it due to today's mediocre, simplistic "popular" music tastes 101.

Heeeerm, & also, has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Has anyone really been far even to phrase an actual logical, justified rebuttal instead of repeating something said constantly by /b/tards and EDiots?

A ton of Daft Punk's music relies on samples, even Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger. Unlike Kanye, to my knowledge they don't give the people they sample songwriting credits or have them appear in their music videos. If you ask me, Kanye did a lot to make sure they were recognized for their contribution and, if anything, helped introduce Daft Punk to a wider audience.

To me, the fact that Kanye samples bands like Daft Punk that fall outside of "mediocre, simplistic popular music" suggests that he is interested in expanding his own horizons and those of his fans. The guy is constantly tweaking his sound and evolving as an artist, and as far as sampling goes, he probably has one of the most eclectic palates of any hip-hop artist, mainstream or otherwise. By going through his material, I've been introduced to a lot of other really great music.

Just because something is popular doesn't necessarily mean it's simplistic and stupid. Sometimes things are popular because they're legitimately good. Crazy concept, I know.

Re: Kanye West

rodheh — Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:37:44 -0800

johnny_ripper posted:
rodheh posted:
How to sample a good House project's most popular track and become even more popular from it due to today's mediocre, simplistic "popular" music tastes 101.

Heeeerm, & also, has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Has anyone really been far even to phrase an actual logical, justified rebuttal instead of repeating something said constantly by /b/tards and EDiots?

Re: Kanye West

Imaginary_Kevin — Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:30:31 -0800

johnny_ripper posted:
rodheh posted:
How to sample a good House project's most popular track and become even more popular from it due to today's mediocre, simplistic "popular" music tastes 101.

Heeeerm, & also, has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

You took the words right out of my mouth.

Re: Kanye West

johnny_ripper — Sun, 20 Feb 2011 15:33:09 -0800

rodheh posted:
How to sample a good House project's most popular track and become even more popular from it due to today's mediocre, simplistic "popular" music tastes 101.

Heeeerm, & also, has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Re: Kanye West

LEONCIORULES — Sun, 20 Feb 2011 14:43:25 -0800

dcj321 posted:
"All of the Lights" video

"Enter The Void" Opening Title Sequence

Re: Kanye West

rodheh — Sun, 20 Feb 2011 07:57:37 -0800

How to sample a good House project's most popular track and become even more popular from it due to today's mediocre, simplistic "popular" music tastes 101.

Re: Kanye West

johnny_ripper — Sun, 20 Feb 2011 02:39:08 -0800

LOOK AT CHA

Re: Kanye West

Imaginary_Kevin — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:53:49 -0800

Love it.

Re: Kanye West

dcj321 — Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:56:12 -0800

"All of the Lights" video

Re: Kanye West

xabundantiax — Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:01:12 -0800

I have not really been a HUGE fan of him (except for him embarrassing T. Swift, I loved that) until he released his latest single, Runaway Ft. Pusha T. I LOVE it, I love the sound of it and how different it is compared to his normal stuff.

Re: Kanye West

ningamer — Tue, 18 Jan 2011 21:55:59 -0800

ningamer posted:
I'm just getting around to listening to the new album. I've never really heard anything by Kanye before. Will post my thoughts after a few listens.

Alright, so I enjoy the album. Not as amazing as some of the reviews say (*cough* pitchfork *cough*), but it's very solid and probably one of my favorite albums from 2010. The beats are enjoyable and varied, and the lyrics are quite creative. It's much better than a lot of other mainstream rap/hip-hip I've heard. much Another thing I really liked were the collaborations. "All of the Lights" has 11 guest singers I think? Thought that was pretty cool.

"So Appalled" and "Runaway" are my favorites. The only song I don't really care for is "Blame Game" because of the annoying skit at the end and it overall just feels boring to me (though the aphex twin sample was kinda cool).

Re: Kanye West

Dave777 — Sat, 01 Jan 2011 15:12:59 -0800

KanYe West is awesome!(tu) i think he's definetly one of the best there is. i especially love the albums Graduation and 808 & Heartbreak and i love what he did with the Auto-Tune on 808, especially with the song Amazing
i have yet to hear My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy but i've heard Runaway and Power and i'm pretty sure the rest of the album is just as awesome

Re: Kanye West

heatherette333 — Thu, 30 Dec 2010 05:55:46 -0800

that record is amazing. i listen to it all the time at work.

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prettylush — Wed, 29 Dec 2010 15:49:49 -0800

Really dig the new album, Kanye's actually gone on record to say he's took influence from NIN, its pretty easy to hear on tracks like Runaway and Hell of a life.

Re: Kanye West

ningamer — Tue, 28 Dec 2010 15:47:25 -0800

I'm just getting around to listening to the new album. I've never really heard anything by Kanye before. Will post my thoughts after a few listens.

Re: Kanye West

BattleOfNY — Sun, 19 Dec 2010 06:03:27 -0800

I consider myself a very open minded person when it comes to music. I love all genres. But after hearing the new album, I just don't get what makes him so great. The best I can say about the new album is "meh". Maybe I'm missing something.

Re: Kanye West

RhettButler — Sun, 19 Dec 2010 05:12:51 -0800

Great album, but I wouldn't call it "album of the year." Just MHO.

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DJgif — Sat, 18 Dec 2010 22:52:55 -0800

I've only heard that song with that sample from king crimson, but it's really good

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RightWhereItBelongs96 — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 17:58:26 -0800

I enjoyed Kanye's new album very very much.

Re: Kanye West

dcj321 — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 15:33:35 -0800

heatherette333 posted:
Do it!! ^^

Yeah he's a cocky bastard but his music is freakin awesome.

<--Team Kanye.

I second this. All of it.

Re: Kanye West

heatherette333 — Mon, 29 Nov 2010 07:11:40 -0800

Do it!! ^^

Yeah he's a cocky bastard but his music is freakin awesome.

<--Team Kanye.

Re: Kanye West

peacenin — Sat, 27 Nov 2010 18:29:48 -0800

The cinematography on Runaway is pretty killer. The scene with the ballerinas is really cool. I might take the plunge and check out some of his music .. maybe.

Re: Kanye West

CharmlessMan — Wed, 24 Nov 2010 21:46:42 -0800

This asshole makes some goddamn good music

Re: Kanye West

dcj321 — Wed, 24 Nov 2010 20:05:46 -0800

RhettButler posted:
Just listened to it:

LOVE IT!

Great, great album. This is one that I will keep in my shitty boom-box and listen to again and again.

I'm more impressed with every spin I give it. One of 2010's best, no doubt.

Re: Kanye West

RhettButler — Wed, 24 Nov 2010 12:08:27 -0800

Just listened to it:

LOVE IT!

Great, great album. This is one that I will keep in my shitty boom-box and listen to again and again.

Re: Kanye West

RhettButler — Tue, 23 Nov 2010 14:56:44 -0800

dcj321 posted:
Has anyone else bought My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy on here? This album is awesome. Never thought I'd hear Kanye West sample Black Sabbath. If you're reading this and you hate Kanye, I'd still say check it out. He might be a piece of shit, but the music he's made is awesome.

I picked it up today. It's gotten almost unanimous rave reviews so I figured I'd check it out.

I still have to give it a spin but will comment when I do.