<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/">
    <channel>
        <title>Keeping conversations &amp;quot;Civil&amp;quot;.</title>
        <description> I'd like to take a few minutes here to just touch on something that is bothering me.


It has come to my attention that all over the internet, people have grown to a level now where they cannot stay respectful in any given conversation about any given topic when one user and another are in disagreement about said topic, and I'm talking about actual, productive sites, not just 4chan. This has happened to almost everyone, but it's been happening to me a lot over the past year or so on 20+ forums I visit around the internet, so I feel compelled to publish this.


When people find themselves in disagreement with another user, it usually goes hand in hand with opinions, something we all have lots of. The problem? People no longer see eye to eye with the other person, instead latching on to the hate we already built up for others that touch on the same topic or key things surrounding those topics, generally ones we have no way to refute with (TV personalities, presidents, governors, senate, congress, authors, filmmakers, celebrities, etc...).


With this being a huge percentage of the cause, whether consciously you are aware of it or not, (and sometimes we are in denial of it, such as one interpretation of the TDS main character in the song &amp;quot;March Of The Pigs&amp;quot; ) it is understandable that we as humans can become angry at another person who supports/disagrees with the subject at hand, especially when we can tell them off.


So where do we go from here? If we are to have meaningful, reasonable conversations over the internet, we need acknowledge and establish a few key things:


1. Do not abandon the logical choice to support one's opinion to the full extent (and no further than that) of the given information that person has supplied you with. This does not mean you have to agree with them, this means you say to yourself, &amp;quot;What if this were me? How would I feel about that? How can I reply, expand, challenge or request more information from the user without being disrespectful? 

2. Discussion is NOT a game. If that's what you want to be, join a debate team. It's natural for humans to feel we have to &amp;quot;one-up&amp;quot; the other person, but all this leads to is frustration and never gets your anywhere. It can also cause confusion to others outside of your discussion with your opposite and halt the actual topic when it becomes purely &amp;quot;you vs. me&amp;quot;.

3. We must understand that right is point of view. I was raised Christian as a child, and like most Christians, raised to believe my religion was correct. It wasn't until I got older that I realized the only reason Christians believed their religion so firmly was because they were raised with it being essentially fact, and that any other religion has the same credibility to it's followers, whether it has that credibility to you.

4. We must set middlegrounds and back-off of a conversation when we know that either side of the discussion can't handle it. I've seen many, many people over forums grow to hate each other over irrelevant things that would never determine their friendship in real life. This can be political, religious, cultural, or anything else. It doesn't matter. If we intend to keep ourselves civil and keep a good relationship with other users, we must not prevoke said users.

5. Do not UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, for ANY reason, try to pass your own beliefs off as fact or force them on another user. It is instead better to say &amp;quot;my opinions, my beliefs, etc...&amp;quot; and cut them down in content when you know the other user is beyond the point of seeing them eye to eye with you.

6. Set examples. When a conversations gets uncivilized, a good indicator is when the other user(s) is angry, not accepting of your views and has started using any of (NSFW) these words in a HOSTILE ONLY manner. It's not a good idea to feed their anger with your own, it never is. Sometimes they can be just like you, normal, maybe even good people who are just pissed off about something, or sometimes they can be trolls. Either way, violence isn't the answer.


Anyways, that's all I have to say. I hope some of you take these things into consideration the next time you are about burst out in a rant towards someone else.</description>
        <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1115769#msg-1115769</link>
        <lastBuildDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 11:51:54 -0700</lastBuildDate>
        <generator>Phorum 5.2.7</generator>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1165336#msg-1165336</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1165336#msg-1165336</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ this is one of the things i practice:<br />
<br />
silence is sometimes in the interest of both parties]]></description>
            <dc:creator>arwencat8</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 12:14:19 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1118688#msg-1118688</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1118688#msg-1118688</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ ^]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Demonseed25</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 12:16:16 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1118576#msg-1118576</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1118576#msg-1118576</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <img src="http://theuncouth.com/submittedImages/hatersgonnahate.jpg" class="bbcode" alt="http://theuncouth.com/submittedImages/hatersgonnahate.jpg" />]]></description>
            <dc:creator>OnslaughtSix</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:23:56 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1117169#msg-1117169</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1117169#msg-1117169</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <img src="http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k121/chismtony/liljon/lil_jon_yeah11.jpg" class="bbcode" alt="http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k121/chismtony/liljon/lil_jon_yeah11.jpg" />]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Nickolas Cook</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 11:53:16 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1117064#msg-1117064</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1117064#msg-1117064</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ I just want to say that, this is the internet and, you don't know any of these people and, why are you making a mountain out of a molehill. Let the haters hate.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Suge</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:49:08 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116555#msg-1116555</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116555#msg-1116555</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ like gonzo said...ignore them.  Life's too short to hassle with internet bullshit, man.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Nickolas Cook</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 12:13:04 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116530#msg-1116530</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116530#msg-1116530</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ dude, I hate to kill your hard work here, but I think you're just bitter over people shitlisting you and debating you constantly in the Current Events thread...the old expression &quot;the world's smallest violin is playing just for you...&quot; comes to mind.<br />
Yes, it's true, people should be old enough and civil while on the net, but you seem to cave into debates and allow them to bother you.  I started that &quot;NIN Boycotts thread&quot; and respectfully bowed out, since I knew that I would end up becoming shitlisted at some point myself, I knew that reiterating my opinion wasn't getting anywhere, so I did the &quot;Adult&quot; thing and let bygones be bygones.  If you hate debating or discussions with people whom you don't see eye to eye with, it's called ignore them, go your separate way, not go back and forth like a couple of ego-tripped schoolgirls only for you to end up writing a novel on why people on the net are so uncivilized.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>gonzo84</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 11:34:01 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116421#msg-1116421</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116421#msg-1116421</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <img src="http://nonrhotic.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/kettle-black.jpg" class="bbcode" alt="http://nonrhotic.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/kettle-black.jpg" />]]></description>
            <dc:creator>~Kimmeh~</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:37:11 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116400#msg-1116400</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116400#msg-1116400</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><span class="quote-title">Nickolas Cook posted:</span><div>rodheh, I'm afraid you're trying to hold back an inevitable wave here, man.  See, the natural state of mankind is total and absolute douchebag-ness.  Giving people a way to act out their worst, most aggressive, impulses, and then having no fucking way to hold them accountable...well, the internet is a dream come true for those kinds of people.  I find it's best to ignore it and move on.  You won't change these types.  All you're likely to do is give yourself heartburn.<br />
<br />
Live good and good things come of it.<br />
<br />
Act like an unmitigated shitheel and most likely someone is going to call you on it in a very physical and damaging way one day.  A bigger monkey, with a bigger stick, is sure to come along and teach you some much needed manners.<br />
<br />
But, you know, the truth is, we've done this to ourselves, so we really have no one else to blame that such silly things as social niceties aren't observed online.  We've got a whole generation of asshole kids coming to adulthood now, who never got the home schoolin' they needed.<br />
<br />
I've found that most people these days have broken empathy buttons.  They don't even know how to think about how someone else might feel.  They have this sense of absolute, justified entitlement.  Their feelings, their emotions, are the only ones that count.  It's a denhumanized society we live in.  Why bother giving a crap about someone else?  They're not real people.  Just names on a message board.  They don't have problems, people who love them, emotional issues that they can't deal with.  No way can they be like you.<br />
<br />
It's always interesting to see who gets all offended when someone posts something like this, when they get called on acting like a prick.  Boy, do they know how to scream about their right to act like a douchebag.  But they do NOT believe in your right to expect respect from a fellow human being.<br />
<br />
Just fucking amazes me.  Truly.</div></blockquote>
<br />
<br />
Yeah, well you know, if I can make a difference for even one user even if it makes other users resort to using all their anger at that exact moment in time, it's worth it to me.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>rodheh</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:26:30 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116366#msg-1116366</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116366#msg-1116366</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ rodheh, I'm afraid you're trying to hold back an inevitable wave here, man.  See, the natural state of mankind is total and absolute douchebag-ness.  Giving people a way to act out their worst, most aggressive, impulses, and then having no fucking way to hold them accountable...well, the internet is a dream come true for those kinds of people.  I find it's best to ignore it and move on.  You won't change these types.  All you're likely to do is give yourself heartburn.<br />
<br />
Live good and good things come of it.<br />
<br />
Act like an unmitigated shitheel and most likely someone is going to call you on it in a very physical and damaging way one day.  A bigger monkey, with a bigger stick, is sure to come along and teach you some much needed manners.<br />
<br />
But, you know, the truth is, we've done this to ourselves, so we really have no one else to blame that such silly things as social niceties aren't observed online.  We've got a whole generation of asshole kids coming to adulthood now, who never got the home schoolin' they needed.<br />
<br />
I've found that most people these days have broken empathy buttons.  They don't even know how to think about how someone else might feel.  They have this sense of absolute, justified entitlement.  Their feelings, their emotions, are the only ones that count.  It's a denhumanized society we live in.  Why bother giving a crap about someone else?  They're not real people.  Just names on a message board.  They don't have problems, people who love them, emotional issues that they can't deal with.  No way can they be like you.<br />
<br />
It's always interesting to see who gets all offended when someone posts something like this, when they get called on acting like a prick.  Boy, do they know how to scream about their right to act like a douchebag.  But they do NOT believe in your right to expect respect from a fellow human being.<br />
<br />
Just fucking amazes me.  Truly.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Nickolas Cook</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:42:01 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116352#msg-1116352</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116352#msg-1116352</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><span class="quote-title">johnny_ripper posted:</span><div>This is America, buddy, and i'm aloud to shoot peop-Wait, what's this thread about again?<br />
<br />
Is this the &quot;Don't be an asshole, don't take the internet so seriously&quot; one?</div></blockquote>
<br />
<br />
<br />
This is the optimistic, &quot;Don't hate, understand.&quot; one.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>rodheh</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:43:23 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116351#msg-1116351</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116351#msg-1116351</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><span class="quote-title">Suge posted:</span><div>I keep conversations civil. Even when the dragons roar and the flowers have fled their pots due to the wars of the skeletal age, I've been able to keep a conversation civilized until the panty liners raided the snouts of elderpuss. I know now, god dammit, I know now when to just walk away from teh sands of Kay.<br />
<br />
Besides. Yer wrong. According to prince, the internet is over. Nothing of what you said up there is even valid. All hell has broken loose and it's coming out of my pants.</div></blockquote>
<br />
<br />
Prince is wrong, and he's an egotistical self-centered fool who should shrivel up like a slug.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>rodheh</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:42:39 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116311#msg-1116311</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116311#msg-1116311</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ (tu)]]></description>
            <dc:creator>PeedroPaula</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 20:54:38 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116284#msg-1116284</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116284#msg-1116284</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ There's a huge difference between disagreeing or debating and hate, disrespect, etc, etc, etc.  If you don't want to debate things, don't talk about those things around people who are likely to disagree.  Frankly, it's so rare to find a place where people on the internet can carry on an intellectually stimulating debate without it degenerating into 4chan-ish behavior that we should encourage it more, not complain when it happens.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>jayetheartist</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 19:47:18 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116208#msg-1116208</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116208#msg-1116208</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ This is America, buddy, and i'm aloud to shoot peop-Wait, what's this thread about again?<br />
<br />
Is this the &quot;Don't be an asshole, don't take the internet so seriously&quot; one?]]></description>
            <dc:creator>johnny_ripper</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 16:34:52 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116160#msg-1116160</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116160#msg-1116160</link>
            <description><![CDATA[<blockquote class="bbcode"><span class="quote-title"> posted:</span><div>We must understand that right is point of view.</div></blockquote>
<br />
In some cases that's true (<i class="bbcode">especially</i> in those grey zone areas involving morality or about subjects for which little solid data exists), BUT, people ALSO need to understand that a fact is a fact, not just a point of view. Sometimes only one statement out of many is, indeed, correct, and it has systematically been proven over and over again which is why it's called a fact.<br />
<br />
Fact: a concept whose truth can be proved.<br />
<br />
If all parties understand that, then discussions tend to go pretty well from what I've seen. A lot of the problems with discussion of serious topics seems to be because half the opinionated people have absolutely no clue what terms like theory or correlation mean, or they hold opinions that the majority of facts <i class="bbcode">clearly</i> do not support. It's hard to take a person seriously if they can't back their statement up with facts, and lack critical thinking skills, such as identifying bias in sources.<br />
<br />
These days when I see a person online who lacks the above skills, I usually just don't bother even interacting with them. I think that's much better than getting rude and arguing, which is a total waste of time. You can't fix people who are wilfully ignorant. If the person is <i class="bbcode">just</i> ignorant and not <i class="bbcode">wilfully</i> ignorant, then it IS worth posting a link where they can learn facts about the topic at hand and correct their ignorance before proceeding with having an intelligent discussion. Some people are open to learning, others reject any facts that do not fit with their beliefs and opinions despite the simple reality that they are, indeed, well-proven facts.<br />
<br />
Even for some &quot;emotional&quot; hot-button topics, these days there are often enough facts available to support one side of the debate that it's not even really worthy of much debate any more. Sometimes the general population just isn't aware of these facts yet because of the information overload &amp; hyper-specialized world we live in today.  It depends on the topic, of course! :)<br />
<br />
Any time someone discussing/debating things launches into personal attacks instead of sticking to the actual topic only, it's clear they're not worth your time any more.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>pragmatica</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:16:28 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116097#msg-1116097</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1116097#msg-1116097</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ I keep conversations civil. Even when the dragons roar and the flowers have fled their pots due to the wars of the skeletal age, I've been able to keep a conversation civilized until the panty liners raided the snouts of elderpuss. I know now, god dammit, I know now when to just walk away from teh sands of Kay.<br />
<br />
Besides. Yer wrong. According to prince, the internet is over. Nothing of what you said up there is even valid. All hell has broken loose and it's coming out of my pants.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>Suge</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:50:49 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1115936#msg-1115936</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1115936#msg-1115936</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ I appreciate your post, but you really need to add a <strong class="bbcode">NSFW</strong> warning to the link.  I just opened it at work and an elderly couple overheard it.  Not cool.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>PeedroPaula</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:30:59 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1115771#msg-1115771</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1115771#msg-1115771</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ <blockquote class="bbcode"><span class="quote-title">LobotomyBaby posted:</span><div>i'm sorry but you're just wrong about the internet in general.<br />
fuck you, buddy</div></blockquote>
<br />
<br />
What is there to be &quot;wrong&quot; about? My belief that I think people can be friendlier and in turn cut stress from their experience by at least being respectful?<br />
<br />
<br />
Not all of the internet is 4chan, you know. I'm just staying positive.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>rodheh</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 03:29:25 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1115770#msg-1115770</guid>
            <title>Re: Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1115770#msg-1115770</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ i'm sorry but you're just wrong about the internet in general.<br />
fuck you, buddy]]></description>
            <dc:creator>LobotomyBaby</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 03:26:58 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
        <item>
            <guid>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1115769#msg-1115769</guid>
            <title>Keeping conversations &quot;Civil&quot;.</title>
            <link>http://forum.nin.com/bb/read.php?7,1115769,1115769#msg-1115769</link>
            <description><![CDATA[ I'd like to take a few minutes here to just touch on something that is bothering me.<br />
<br />
<br />
It has come to my attention that all over the internet, people have grown to a level now where they cannot stay respectful in any given conversation about any given topic when one user and another are in disagreement about said topic, and I'm talking about actual, productive sites, not just 4chan. This has happened to almost everyone, but it's been happening to me a lot over the past year or so on 20+ forums I visit around the internet, so I feel compelled to publish this.<br />
<br />
<br />
When people find themselves in disagreement with another user, it usually goes hand in hand with <strong class="bbcode">opinions</strong>, something we all have lots of. The problem? People no longer see eye to eye with the other person, instead latching on to the hate we already built up for others that touch on the same topic or key things surrounding those topics, generally ones we have no way to refute with (TV personalities, presidents, governors, senate, congress, authors, filmmakers, celebrities, etc...).<br />
<br />
<br />
With this being a huge percentage of the cause, whether consciously you are aware of it or not, (and sometimes we are in denial of it, such as one interpretation of the TDS main character in the song &quot;March Of The Pigs&quot; ) it is understandable that we as humans can become angry at another person who supports/disagrees with the subject at hand, especially when we can tell them off.<br />
<br />
<br />
So where do we go from here? If we are to have meaningful, reasonable conversations over the internet, we need acknowledge and establish a few key things:<br />
<br />
<br />
1. Do not abandon the logical choice to support one's opinion to the full extent (and no further than that) of the given information that person has supplied you with. This <strong class="bbcode">does not</strong> mean you have to <strong class="bbcode">agree</strong> with them, this means you say to yourself, &quot;What if this were me? How would I feel about that? How can I reply, expand, challenge or request more information from the user without being disrespectful? <br />
<br />
2. Discussion is <strong class="bbcode">NOT</strong> a game. If that's what you want to be, join a debate team. It's natural for humans to feel we have to &quot;one-up&quot; the other person, but all this leads to is frustration and never gets your anywhere. It can also cause confusion to others outside of your discussion with your opposite and halt the actual topic when it becomes purely &quot;you vs. me&quot;.<br />
<br />
3. We must understand that <strong class="bbcode">right is point of view.</strong> I was raised Christian as a child, and like most Christians, raised to believe my religion was correct. It wasn't until I got older that I realized the only reason Christians believed their religion so firmly was because they were raised with it being essentially fact, and that any other religion has the same credibility to it's followers, whether it has that credibility to you.<br />
<br />
4. We must <strong class="bbcode">set middlegrounds</strong> and <strong class="bbcode">back-off</strong> of a conversation when we know that either side of the discussion can't handle it. I've seen many, many people over forums grow to hate each other over irrelevant things that would never determine their friendship in real life. This can be political, religious, cultural, or anything else. <strong class="bbcode">It doesn't matter.</strong> If we intend to keep ourselves civil and keep a good relationship with other users, we must not prevoke said users.<br />
<br />
5. <strong class="bbcode">Do not UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, for ANY reason, try to pass your own beliefs off as fact or force them on another user.</strong> It is instead better to say &quot;my opinions, my beliefs, etc...&quot; and cut them down in content when you know the other user is beyond the point of seeing them eye to eye with you.<br />
<br />
6. <strong class="bbcode">Set examples.</strong> When a conversations gets uncivilized, a good indicator is when the other user(s) is angry, not accepting of your views and has started using any of <a target="_blank" rel="nofollow"  href="http://carlintmnd.ytmnd.com/">(NSFW) these words in a <strong class="bbcode">HOSTILE ONLY</strong> manner.</a> It's not a good idea to feed their anger with your own, it never is. Sometimes they can be just like you, normal, maybe even good people who are just pissed off about something, or sometimes they can be trolls. Either way, violence isn't the answer.<br />
<br />
<br />
Anyways, that's all I have to say. I hope some of you take these things into consideration the next time you are about burst out in a rant towards someone else.]]></description>
            <dc:creator>rodheh</dc:creator>
            <category>General Discussion</category>
            <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 03:18:20 -0700</pubDate>
        </item>
    </channel>
</rss>
