my only problem with moshing, crowd surfing, etc. is that it ends up affecting people who aren't necessarily cool with it. in general, i'm all for letting anyone do whatever they want if it doesn't bother anyone else.

nobody moshed or anything at the St. Louis show, and i was very happy

dangerpoint posted:

Just don't be a dick. Everyone knows what it entails.

Wish that was true. Obviously though, if you've ever attended a show, it's, sadly, not the case.

Nonnormal posted:

I hate it when your been waiting in line for 10 hours, and then about 20 people who shows up right before the show cuts you in line because their 1 friend was holding all of there spots.

YES.

That happened to us in Toledo.

My boyfriend and I were the third and fourth people in line. A few hours later, a dude appeared out of nowhere and was suddenly in front of us. Then literally one minute before the door opened to get onto the floor, another girl gets in front of us. And what with all the shuffling of people, a few people who were behind us in line actually got on the rail closer to Trent than we were. It was an awesome line but seriously, my boyfriend and I had been in line since 6 fucking AM. I was a little pissed.



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perfect_angel posted:

cassielk posted:

My biggest annoyance is when people take a concert as an opportunity to be aggressive assholes. I had pit tix for my last NIN show- waited all damn day outside in the rain to get up front. Some big guy kept trying to push me out of my spot and when I told him to knock it off he flipped out on me. Grabbed me and starting screaming in my face and threatening me. I had to get the fuck out and go to the very back.

I'm wondering if security at the venue would actaully do something about a situation like that? I would think its totally different then being bumped around in the pit, I wouldn't think too much of that, but someone targeting you, until you had to move to the back? I would have a fit, the whole damn place would know it! Sorry you had to loose your place after waiting all day, damn bullies.

Well, I had something very similar happen to me at the Philly show. I waited in line and was about 4 people back in the center. About 6 songs in, a bunch of drunk guys started trying to push their way to the front. I am SO stubborn, so I was determined not to let them get in front of me. They we kicking me in the back of my knees, putting their legs in front of mine and trying to trip me, pushing, putting their hands in front of my face, and I heard them commenting that they were gonna "start swinging" because everyone in the area was doing a good job of keeping them out.

However, they basically started to pull my shirt down and put me in a headlock, so I gave up and headed to the side. During the entire ordeal, I was trying to get security's attention (or have someone get them for me). Considering there were only about 3 rows in between me and the barricade, I think that they should have been aware of what was going on and done something about it, but they didn't. I know every venue is different and I have read about security at other shows stepping in, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that security at my show did nothing since they pretty much sucked. Someone made it onstage during "Down in It" and security seemed to have a difficult time getting him off.

Oh, and believe me, I threw quite a fit. I told them to shut the fuck up and stop pushing/attacking me, but it was useless.

Buy a case of beer & watch Beside you in time. It's cheaper, and will ruin fewer people's nights if you can't enjoy a show without being unable to remember it.

One of the best gig's I've been to was last year, In Sydney. This venue had the bar sealed off, which meant you had to choose between drinking in an enclosed space (monitored by security) or rocking out.

GA: If you did not line up early to get down front, respect the people who did. Don't try to shove your way to the rail to prove you are too cool to wait in lines. They're not going to let you in, anyway - rail people know how to fight off assholes.

Line jumping sucks. We've all taken advantage of having a friend in the front of the line who let us in. We've also been screwed by having dozens of people show up late and get in front of us. Since there is currently no system in place for keeping everyone honest, we have to rely on ourselves to do it. This tour has been far better than the last. I don't know what else to say than, "let your conscience be your guide." Be respectful of others.

In the pit, we are all squashed together. Body contact is inevitable. Even so, try to respect your pit-mates by not invading their head space. By that I mean don't wave your arms near someone else's face. Be conscious of whether your arms are blocking their view in any way. If you are behind me, your arms should not be in my face. I don't care if you have a camera.

Do not lean your elbows on other people - ever. I'm not your bar. Brace against me with your forearms. Place your hands on the back of my shoulders if you must. But elbows hurt and are rude.

If you are going to sing along, know the words and try not to sing loudly right next to someone's ear. The music is loud enough to cover most reasonable singing. I'm usually not bothered by it. I'm usually singing myself. Be aware, be respectful.

In Seats: If you are going to sit, your view will be blocked. Too bad for you. Standing is highly encouraged. If you are a GA person who got stuck with seats, take advantage of the chance to move around. Bring binoculars if you want to see close.

My Pet Peeves: People who wear Marilyn Manson shirts. People who get drunk. Why pay inflated prices for cheap beer that's going to diminish your capacity to experience the show? You are missing something really special. Drink your beer later.

Killaya posted:

Nonnormal posted:

I hate it when your been waiting in line for 10 hours, and then about 20 people who shows up right before the show cuts you in line because their 1 friend was holding all of there spots.

YES.

That happened to us in Toledo.

My boyfriend and I were the third and fourth people in line. A few hours later, a dude appeared out of nowhere and was suddenly in front of us. Then literally one minute before the door opened to get onto the floor, another girl gets in front of us. And what with all the shuffling of people, a few people who were behind us in line actually got on the rail closer to Trent than we were. It was an awesome line but seriously, my boyfriend and I had been in line since 6 fucking AM. I was a little pissed.

A good rule of thumb is when you FIRST get there in the morning always ask the people in front of you if they are holding spots. This will clear up any confusion when/if the time comes and if MORE than the # they told you try to jump in you can call them out on it.

I cant tell you how many times I've had to call people out on this type of shit (my strategy is usually alerting the entire line of people to what is going on - who the fuck wants to go in a show and be in a sea of people who fucking hate them? haha) but Ive found that communicating with the people around you ALWAYS helps to keep it to a minimum. Also, if YOU are the one holding spots its just a good general rule that holding more than 2 or 3 spots is a dick move (i once had a girl in front of me tell me she was holding SEVEN spots) and also LET EVERYONE AROUND YOU KNOW YOU ARE HOLDING SPOTS. Once again, it keeps them from being surprised and potentially throwing a fit when your friends arrive.

Lastly - DON'T be afraid to ask people wtf is going on when you feel somebody is attempting to get in front of you. If you got there at 6am obviously being on barricade is important to you so don't be afraid to stand up for yourself and involve the other people around you. Nobody wants random people getting in front of them when they've been waiting all day.



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no44 posted:

if your going to bitch, go to a coldplaydave matthews concert instead.

stop crying ugh you people make me sick, its a fucking concert. AND its nine inch nails(im not sure who that is, but they sound like they would have a fanbase of alot of different people, assholes, psychos, angsty teens, depressed adults, idk..) if you dont like what happens on the floor, BUY A FUCKING SEAT TICKET. OR EVEN BETTER!!! DONT GO!

no44 posted:

no44 posted:

if your going to bitch, go to a coldplaydave matthews concert instead.

stop crying ugh you people make me sick, its a fucking concert. AND its nine inch nails(im not sure who that is, but they sound like they would have a fanbase of alot of different people, assholes, psychos, angsty teens, depressed adults, idk..) if you dont like what happens on the floor, BUY A FUCKING SEAT TICKET. OR EVEN BETTER!!! DONT GO!

i guess you stay in the seats because you obviously don't know what its like dealing with assholes on the floor...mr extreme internet tough guy...

Isn't is funny how there is always someone who comes in discussions like this and says, "just shut up and get seats/don't go on the floor if you can't handle it/etc." Hmmm...I guess they don't like getting called out on their obnoxious behavior.

Well...I'll admit it, when I'm up front I take photos. Why? Because I'm a photographer. I also like photographing my awesome experiences, especially with NIN. I take a lot, but I do it gradually and I make sure I'm not blocking anyone's view (which is easy since I'm 5'4". I like having my own proof that I was there, and I scrapbook like crazy. Plus, from past LA shows I've been to cameras weren't allowed, so when we ARE allowed to take cameras it makes me happy.

I really wish people who scream/laugh/talk during the Ghosts songs and "Hurt" would shut the fuck up or go away during the songs. I find that totally disrespectful, and I LOVED seeing the Ghosts songs live. Hell, I can't stand hearing that during ANY song. Why the fuck would you spend money on tickets to a show just to talk during the whole show?! It's fucking stupid.

Brittany I also agree with you with the opening bands. If you don't like the band, just stand there and shut up. No one wants to hear how much you "hate this band omgz they suck, they sound like so and so band", others DO like the opening bands.

I also get tired of people who bitch at NIN shows about The Slip songs. OF COURSE they're going to play them! If you want to keep hearing PHM or TDS constantly, stay at home and listen to your fucking CD's, don't bitch and ruin everyone's experience at the show because YOU don't like something. YEESH!

mrx_75 posted:

naut posted:

Treat others as you would like to be treated unless they're an arsehole.

I think this sums everything up perfectly. If everyone would just do this, we all could enjoy the show and have an amazing time. (By the way, if people could just do this in day to day life, that would be good, too.)

And I think it's also important for the non-assholes to look out for each other, to an extent. If the douchebags are getting their douchebag friends to back them up in their collective douchebaggery, then the rest of us should show a little solidarity in opposition.

sophielynette posted:

elphaba posted:

I really wish people who scream/laugh/talk during the Ghosts songs and "Hurt" would shut the fuck up or go away during the songs.

I once laughed during Something I Can Never Have, but only because Jeordie was being attacked by Mothra and went running from the stage.

but see, that IS something to laugh about.

i remember when i was at the toronto show, i was off to the left side of the stage, and my seats were 2 rows up from general admission, so everyone was standing, dancing along, etc...BUT!

..this one guy, during hurt and during the ghosts set - the guy a couple seats down from me was with his gf, or live in caretaker, or therapy worker..something..anyway, he was screaming "THIS SONGS ABOUT ME! I LOVE YOU TRENT! IF I DIED RIGHT NOW I WOULD BE HAPPY! NINE INCH FUCKING NAILS! GAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!"

(picture drunk metallica moment, where the guy screams, throws up and falls over - this is that guy)

this douchebag was either high as a kite, or drunk - or a combination of the two, because he was acting incredibly LOUD and screaming at the top of his lungs - and then started bawling on this girls shoulder - she was bright red - and then people around him started laughing.

Essential rules:

Don't light people's hair on fire. Don't pull people's hair either. Don't pet it either. WTF is with that anyway. Don't hump me. That is really, really gross and I will hurt you. Do not yell "Freebird!" Ever. That band isn't here right now fuckhead so you need to work on your self-assumed wit. You don't have any and that joke is 20 years too late.


Things I'd like:

I really wish people wouldn't throw stuff at the band OR audience, step on my head, scream during quiet songs, sing along unless the singer says to sing along for that one song, chatter endlessly, shove their way to the front, yell out for songs that they haven't played yet because they have a setlist done in advance and if it's not on the list it's probably not gonna get played and no amount of yelling will make them play it--this isn't cocktail piano happy hour down at the Hilton.

Oh and don't throw up near me. Step out to the side, 'kay?

Don't be a dick and if you think paying your ticket price earned you the "right" to do whatever you want, then you are now by definition a dick. Please stay home.



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