Ebay and Scalpers
 
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07/18/09 10:04 AM

I don't know if it has been posted but anyway...
I saw that there are already tickets on ebay for the show I'm going to in Chicago.
It says it's for one ticket.
This is obviously a scalper because it's selling for $300...
It says $12 for posting, although posting this ticket is obviously impossible as only presale tickets have been sold so far and they must be collected by the buyer.
I was thinking of reporting this to ebay.
What category should I put that in?
Also, should it be encouraged to all NIN fans on the forum who have ebay accounts to help report these or will the NIN management team do this?!

 

07/18/09 10:05 AM

There are tickets posted for THOUSANDS of dollars. I flagged all the ones on craigslist and I (among other people) reported all the scalped tickets.

Since they're still there, I don't know if there's really anything we can do, and it seriously fucking sucks.

EDIT: Go to "report item" -> "banned/prohibited" -> "event ticket" -> "other". Hit submit, type in your reason. I quoted the actual price of the ticket in the reason.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/18/2009 10:07AM by severthestars.

 

07/18/09 10:10 AM

It would fall under 'Pre-Sale Listings' on ebay. It violates their rules though cause seller must guarantee that the item will be available for shipping within 30 days from the date of purchase. Considering pre-sale tickets are pick-up only, this wouldn't be possible.

 

07/18/09 10:14 AM

Yeah, regarding them still being there... I think the more people that report it the better, it will get ebays attention.

 

07/18/09 10:18 AM

viewphoria posted:
It would fall under 'Pre-Sale Listings' on ebay. It violates their rules though cause seller must guarantee that the item will be available for shipping within 30 days from the date of purchase. Considering pre-sale tickets are pick-up only, this wouldn't be possible.

I looked through all the choice, and didn't see that listed. Perhaps I missed it in my fury. Where is it located?

 

07/18/09 11:16 AM

I just reported all the ebay listings that violate the 30-day rule. Unfortunately, the most expensive tickets were listed for 30 days to get around this rule.

"ireekofawesumnes" is a major douchebag. I contacted seller when he listed his first scalped tickets for $1998 advising him that reselling nin.com pre-sale tickets for more than face value was prohibited. He e-mailed me back "good thing i'm not getting them through nin.com"

 

07/18/09 11:32 AM

[pages.ebay.com]
Rules on event tickets
It seems only a few states say you can only sell for face value.
But if you see a ticket that is from one of those states and is selling for more than face value it is definitely illegal!

 

07/18/09 11:34 AM

This pisses me off. Someone from the NIN camp should try to win/buy all those scalpers tix if only to obtain the original buyer's name and cancel the (original purchase) transaction.

 

07/18/09 11:41 AM

One is being sold from Georgia which means it violates the state rules of ticket resale which state:
"Only the original purchaser, a charity or a licensed broker may sell for more than face value. "

I reported all the ones I could find anyway



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/19/2009 06:20AM by Tangent.

 

07/18/09 11:52 AM

On another point, until the public sale happens next Friday, surely we are to presume the tickets on ebay are supposed to be presale tickets?
In which case either the sellers are counting on getting public sale tickets or are claiming to sell presale tickets - which is wrong because only the original presale ticket buyer should be able to use the presale tickets!!!

 

07/18/09 11:58 AM

if the scalpers arent getting them from nin.com
how in the hell are they getting them?

 

07/18/09 11:59 AM

PeedroPaula posted:
I just reported all the ebay listings that violate the 30-day rule. Unfortunately, the most expensive tickets were listed for 30 days to get around this rule.

"ireekofawesumnes" is a major douchebag. I contacted seller when he listed his first scalped tickets for $1998 advising him that reselling nin.com pre-sale tickets for more than face value was prohibited. He e-mailed me back "good thing i'm not getting them through nin.com"

he was selling them a couple of days before presale! this person is a douchebag.

 

07/18/09 11:59 AM

musical_decay posted:
if the scalpers arent getting them from nin.com
how in the hell are they getting them?

They don't have them yet, they are presuming they will get the public sale ones!
Which was part of my reason in reporting them. After Friday I don't think it will actually violate anything

 

07/18/09 12:04 PM

i just love how people are selling them for 2,298.00
and their like: "this is the last show of their career"...
liar. he is not done making music.

 

07/18/09 12:33 PM

It would be awesome if if it were possible for NIN to find out who purchased tickets and was scalping them online, canceled their orders and put them back in the sales pool for fans to buy at face value online. It really irks me considering I would have bought a ticket if Music Today's CAPCHA bullshit actually worked for me.

 

07/18/09 12:35 PM

humanjunk posted:
It would be awesome if if it were possible for NIN to find out who purchased tickets and was scalping them online, canceled their orders and put them back in the sales pool for fans to buy at face value online. It really irks me considering I would have bought a ticket if Music Today's CAPCHA bullshit actually worked for me.

Maybe if someone official emailed ebay about it?
The thing is that a lot of the tickets up there are not presale ones, as one person admitted. They are just relying on getting public sale tickets!

 

07/18/09 12:35 PM

humanjunk posted:
It would be awesome if if it were possible for NIN to find out who purchased tickets and was scalping them online, canceled their orders and put them back in the sales pool for fans to buy at face value online. It really irks me considering I would have bought a ticket if Music Today's CAPCHA bullshit actually worked for me.

that would be awesome.. but they prob. can't track that.. i dunno..
but yeah i hate those captcha's and that really sucks..
i couldn't get on the site...it wouldn't load! and i was on their early!

 

07/18/09 1:40 PM

ebay doesn't give a sh*t, do you know how much money they make with scalpers???
this is all very sad since this even this system can't get around scalpers.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/18/2009 01:42PM by armogi.

 

07/18/09 1:58 PM

Something needs to be done now. If that's not possible then at least address the problem by giving us some kind of explanation why things went so horribly wrong!

 

07/18/09 2:34 PM

I think credit is still due to NIN for trying their best to keep the tickets out of the hands of the scalpers.
It isn't their fault that all these problems happened.

 

07/18/09 3:03 PM

you guys have to agree that this way is probably the most efficient way to have sold the tix. Any other way more scalpers would have gotten a hold of tickets and it would have really been a mess. This way most scalpers were deterred. Just look that there is only a few auctions on eBay means not to many scalpers got in on this. Ideally there should be none but come on.

 

07/18/09 3:16 PM

I've got a program trying to track all of their IP addresses so I can fuck with their systems for weeks to come after the general public sale. I know for a fact ebay won't do squat about these scalpers at the moment since it's generating traffic and revenue for them. However, contact media outlets like tech magazines, tech sites, even news channels and flood them with reports about this. If something like that happened then ebay would be forced into doing something proactive about the problem in order to circumvent the negative PR (not that there isn't enough of that already for ebay).

With craigslist forget it. This site is so remote handled and maintained that even by the time a human sees a flood of reports it'll be too late. Best thing to do with craigslist is just post everywhere not to use the site for tickets period or at their own risk.

 

07/18/09 3:20 PM

severthestars posted:
viewphoria posted:
It would fall under 'Pre-Sale Listings' on ebay. It violates their rules though cause seller must guarantee that the item will be available for shipping within 30 days from the date of purchase. Considering pre-sale tickets are pick-up only, this wouldn't be possible.

I looked through all the choice, and didn't see that listed. Perhaps I missed it in my fury. Where is it located?

[pages.ebay.com]

 

07/18/09 3:34 PM

Synthetic posted:
I've got a program trying to track all of their IP addresses so I can fuck with their systems for weeks to come after the general public sale.

Great idea, tho Im curious how you can capture IP addresses of people selling stuff on ebay?

 

07/18/09 3:35 PM

musical_decay posted:
if the scalpers arent getting them from nin.com
how in the hell are they getting them?

Not all tickets on sale on ebay are from NIN's presale. Ticketmaster and similar venues reserve a certain number of tickets to "VIP" vendors/partners such TicketsNow, American Express, etc., before the public even get a chance to buy tickets.

 

07/18/09 3:56 PM

This is true. Each venue has a manager, PR person, owner, etc., all of whom receive a number of tickets. This explains how there were a few tickets available before the presale. What I do find funny is that last night after the chaos, bullshit sites like Stubhub were selling tix for the Webster Show from $700-$900. Oddly enough, as of this very minutes, Stubhub doesn't list any NIN tix, after having tix for all 10 shows available last night. This means one of two things: either every ticket was sold, or nin.com did something.

 

07/18/09 4:04 PM

The one on craigslist asking for females, 25 and under is particularly stomach churning. :/

 

07/18/09 4:39 PM

"346. Any person who, without the written permission of the owner or
operator of the property on which an entertainment event is to be
held or is being held, sells a ticket of admission to the
entertainment event, which was obtained for the purpose of resale, at
any price which is in excess of the price that is printed or
endorsed upon the ticket, while on the grounds of or in the stadium,
arena, theater, or other place where an event for which admission
tickets are sold is to be held or is being held, is guilty of a
misdemeanor."


That's all CA has on the books about scalping. As long as the sale isn't happening on the grounds, then it's legal, right? But anyone agreeing to accept cash, day of, at the show is in direct violation of this I would think...

 

07/18/09 5:39 PM

Just a reminder:

Please don't post links to these ads/auctions as we don't want to encourage them. You can report people on eBay for violating Terms of Use if they're scalping tickets, especially in a state where scalping is illegal.

The sad reality is that the demand for these scant few tickets is sky-high and people are going to desperate measures to get them. And scalpers know this, which is why they will try to charge over $1000 for a ticket. I saw one on eBay today that sold for almost $1500! That is a shit-ton of money for ONE TICKET!

 

07/18/09 4:43 PM

You have to realize that scalpers ONLY exist, to meet a demand. If people refused to pay exorbitant marked up prices for tickets, then they would cease to exist. If someone is willing to pay a certain price for something, then you can damn well be sure that 10 others are willing to sell it for that amount. This is basic human nature.

I was one of the lucky ones to get tickets for both of the smaller NYC shows, and you can damn well be sure that I would pay up to 2grand to be someones +1 to go if I hadn't been able to get my tickets. Does this make me as bad as the scalpers? Maybe, but I only wold pay that kind of money because of my love of the artist. Had this happened I'd be grateful that a "scalper" existed as it would be the ONLY way I'd be able see my favorite music act of all time. So if you're gonna hate and curse the "scalpers" keep in mind that they only exist because people will pay what they charge. I've already received offers for my +1 to the bowery for a grand from people on this board.

The Bowery is 550 capacity, figure even if they oversold it, there were probably 10k people trying to buy tickets at the same time- if you're upset that you didn't get tix, you should be pissed at the band or playing such a tiny venue, not because a handful of scalpers are seizing this (unethical but legal) opportunity.



the tl;dr version: stop whining

 
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