I was lucky enough to get tickets for two of the L.A. shows. I almost opted out of the 2nd set of tickets, but my buddy really wants to see them one last time in a small venue so he can record and my son didn't want his May show to be his first and only. I do think it's greedy to go for all the damn shows like some are doing, but I think two shows is reasonable.

smashitrebuildit posted:

i guess i'm struggling with being thrilled that i have tickets to one show and the desire to see two setlists in my favorite city and whether or not its overkill.

I feel exactly the same way. I got tix to Wiltern, but so badly want to see any other show too.

smashitrebuildit posted:

so my question is whether or not shooting for the second night is a jerk move or not, especially since tickets are scarce. it already seems like a lot of people are going this route. if you had the opportunity to get more tickets to see one of your favorite bands on their last tour, would you?

I think it does mean we are a bit greedy, but not that we are bad people. My guess is we all want as much as we can get of NIN.

It is completely greedy but none of you will admit or say that. I'd hate to see you all fight over a hotdog if that was the last thing on earth to eat. Some of you would probably eat each other.

I think most (if not all) of us here would take every reasonable chance given. If you can afford it and you made it through presale hell-- good on you, have a great time. I'm not going to fault the people who are following this run through every show, because if I had the time and money I'd probably give it a shot too.

All of these shows will probably sell out. Everyone who gets a ticket, whether presale or GA or whatever, is taking it in place of another person who'd like to go. Does that mean you shouldn't go for it anyway? Hell no.

If you "sacrifice" a show, the ticket you planned on purchasing might just end up in the hands of a scalper anyway. Try for a general sale ticket, and if you get one you can decide whether you want to keep it or sell it to a fan who missed out. Chances are good you'll want to go to the second show, but if your guilty conscience gets the best of you, then just find someone online who needs a ticket, and sell it for face value.

I think people just need to be realistic and realize that it's not going to be fair, since the demand for tickets is so great and the venues are small. But that doesn't mean you should feel guilty about wanting to go to more than one show.

smashitrebuildit posted:

I have tickets for the 8.28 chicago show. I want to get tickets for the 8.29 show through general pre-sale if possible. My question is does it make me a jerk to want to see NIN twice if possible?

No. Not anymore than it makes anyone a jerk for doing anything.
If you try to rationalise it by saying "if i just see one show, then someone else can see the second show instead and I'll make someone happy", you start a dangerous cycle.
You've seen them 8 times - there may be people who haven't seen them ever who could be seeing them on the 28th of August if it wasn't for you.
How do you know that a dying guy doesn't want the tickets that you have?
Plenty of things in life are the same way.
On the other hand - the person who gets the tickets to the 29th might die of a heart attack at the show, or be a drunk arshole - so you're doing everyone a favour by going to the show instead of him.

You shouldn't worry about what other people think, but if it's going to burden your conscience and spoil your night, then don't.



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Calderon08 posted:

objectsession posted:

Calderon08 posted:

It is completely greedy but none of you will admit or say that. I'd hate to see you all fight over a hotdog if that was the last thing on earth to eat. Some of you would probably eat each other.

thing is this isn't the last piece of food on earth. it's just maybe possibly the some of the last shows from a group that might be the favorite of a lot of people that are going to these shows and a lot of others that don't have the chance of going. and it's not like there's a real scarcity of tickets. nine inch nails played at or near all of these locations. these are just extra opportunities.

Dude, are you serious? Not a scarcity of tickets??LOL they sold out in minutes. There are only a few that are doing a GA sale and scalpers have the rest...of course the tickets are scarce...yes they just toured in those areas but a lot of people are coming from all over and A LOT of people want to see the shows. There are quite a few people that didn't have the chance to go to ninja so just becuse they played in that area doesn't mean everyone there got to see them.

i'm talking about tickets in general. your analogy was to the last piece of food on earth. but everyone is already well fed and there are just a few extra helpings of premium ice cream.

but a scarcity of premium ice cream is not a tragedy. and greediness does not apply since there is no need and no concept of deserving or rights.

nympholept posted:

If you try to rationalise it by saying "if i just see one show, then someone else can see the second show instead and I'll make someone happy", you start a dangerous cycle.
You've seen them 8 times - there may be people who haven't seen them ever who could be seeing them on the 28th of August if it wasn't for you.
How do you know that a dying guy doesn't want the tickets that you have?
Plenty of things in life are the same way.
On the other hand - the person who gets the tickets to the 29th might die of a heart attack at the show, or be a drunk arshole - so you're doing everyone a favour by going to the show instead of him.

This is pretty much the exact post I was going to post.

I was originally going to try for all 10. (THAT didn't work out at all!) But I did feel sort of guilty just thinking of it. But really, there is no point in doing so for all the reasons nympholept said.

Ultimately if NIN had really, really wanted it to be that a person could only attend one show, they would have structured the ticket sales to be one ticket per person for one show in one city, that's it, the end. And NIN did not do this. Trent's not stupid, he could have easily made this the rule if that was his wish.

There's always going to be people who are unhappy with how it turned out. There were people unhappy with their tix (or lack of them) for Wave Goodbye, and LITS, and and Year Zero, and WT Club Tour, and TDS, and Woodstock, and Dissonance, and Lolla '91, and so on as far back as it goes. There's probably someone who is still bitching b/c I got "their" ticket to Irving Plaza in NY, when I really didn't give a shit about seeing NIN that night in the first place and they were a "true fan." It is fruitless to obsess about these things.

If someone got tix to all ten shows, I am damn jealous. But go and have an awesome time. I wish it were me.



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I'm putting one in the "greedy" column.

Sorry, there are plenty of non-scalpers who would love to go to a show who couldn't get a tix.

There is nothing wrong with wanting to see more than 1 of these final shows. The word "FINAL" should be all you think of. Switch the 2 first letters of that and that's what you'll be asking yourself for the rest of your life.

smashitrebuildit posted:

I have tickets for the 8.28 chicago show. I want to get tickets for the 8.29 show through general pre-sale if possible. My question is does it make me a jerk to want to see NIN twice if possible? I've seen then 8 times but on any given tour have only seen then twice on one leg. i guess i'm struggling with being thrilled that i have tickets to one show and the desire to see two setlists in my favorite city and whether or not its overkill.

i realize some people here have seen NIN 20-30 times, sometimes on the same leg of a tour, and well thats nuts. seriously, when the band goes away or breaks up you're going to need therapy and don't latch on to something else to obsess about, just get the therapy and re-join society.

so my question is whether or not shooting for the second night is a jerk move or not, especially since tickets are scarce. it already seems like a lot of people are going this route. if you had the opportunity to get more tickets to see one of your favorite bands on their last tour, would you?

this isn't gloating, i understand tickets are hard to come by, i just want to know what people think, and what they would do. (please don't swear at me)

Alright people I need to complain.

I have only had the opportunity to see Nine Inch Nails one time. I am poor, not by choice, and until I can get a better situation under my feet, I'm sort of stuck. And here's my opinion on your question. Though I don't look down or against anybody who wants to go see NIN more than once, I do think it would make things a little simpler for everybody who only can go once or twice in a lifetime. Let me explain.

First of all, if I was able to go see NIN at EVERY SINGLE CONCERT I would be there in a heart beat. And at the same time, I would probably feel guilty. Yes there are only a select number of tickets and yes only certain people will be getting them. However, in Salt Lake City when I saw them, the seats were far from sold out. Trent commented during the show as well, "I looked out from behind the curtain before the show and saw a few sections of empty seats and thought, 'here we go. another empty show.' But you guys here are the real deal..." Those may not have been his exact words, but somewhere along those lines. Now, if every show isn't a sellout, which I'm assuming it's not, then why the hell not go as many times as you can.

Secondly, I honestly hate it when I talk to, or hear anyone talk about going to more than ten or twenty shows. Don't you think ten or under is enough? Your doing two things, wasting money and taking seats from other people (or General Admission)... But the thing about it is; if there was a problem here with people buying tickets, then I think the industry would be a bit more strict about scalpers and such than they are. Which leads me to my third and final issue.

It's not the people who pay full price for tickets that TRULY bother me (in the end.) It's the scalpers. Just like the post Trent had up on the website a few months ago about Scalpers. They're causing the problems for ticketbuyers and the whole band and process altogether. I hate scalpers forever, and I won't promote it.

So here's my final opinion. (Made it).

If you want to buy more than one or more than five or more than ten or twenty tickets, then by all means, go ahead. Go see NIN a hundred times. I would if I could. But if you're buying cheap tickets from scalpers, or expensive tickets and then scalping them to get your own tickets cheap, (etc, etc.) then DON'T DO IT. They're the fucking problem with concerts and ticketselling.

I think I've jarbled enough. I doubt everyone or anyone will read this whole post, but seriously, your good man. Go see NIN more than once, it is going to be well worth it, in my opinion.

repost of something i put in another thread that i want to discuss as well if we can:

smashitrebuildit posted:

i'm not saying i support scalping because i don't when it involves taking a ticket that we all have a chance to get and giving it to someone thats going to sell it to someone rich that can afford absurd prices.

What i do have a problem with is people missing two points i think are awfully huge.

1.) scalpers exist because rich pricks are fine with throwing 30X the amount of a ticket price to someone. the market they create should be blamed on them. the scalpers can be given blame but i bet there are people on the boards that have paid a scalper ridiculous amounts of money for your precious NIN tickets so you could see them a dozen times on a tour.

2.) ticketmaster and its equivelents are just as evil. they don't care about eliminating scalping for the benefit of the concertgoers. they look at it as another opportunity to control ticket prices. tickets used to be a lot cheapier and have skyrocketed due to ticketmaster and livenation eating up the market. look at springstein's ticketmaster ticking snafu recently if you want proof of the future of concertgoing.


other than the majority of people that don't get tickets just plain not knowing how to access the ticket page properly during onsale time. i think clearly the blame should be shifted. the pissing and moaning that goes on in forums is annoying as hell but for the love of god if you're going to do it at least direct it towards the real enemies.

in some cases that means greedy assholes that some would call "true fans." i don't think there is anything cool about someone dropping 3 grand on a pair of tickets to a NIN show when the rest of us fought for the 60 dollar tickets and they waved their checkbooks.

concerts i'm told used to be under 15 bucks as recent as the early 90s (i was just getting my training wheels off my bike) and if it wasn't for greedy basturds in these ticketing sites they still would be that much. who the hell is really worth 50 bucks to see for an hour and a half anyways? NIN i can see but nickelback and godsmack bring in the same amount, what the hell is that all about?

These are tiny venues. If anyone was expecting to get a ticket, realistically the odds were very much against everyone. You CANNOT feel bad for being plain lucky. There is no way the presale could have been handled better, in my opinion, it's damned if do /damned if you don't situation for NIN. They're trying to put on some great shows for fans, yea sure not everyone is going to get in... for those who do, kudos.

I got tickets for one show in NYC and two in LA, so that makes 3 that I am going to. Will I try for Terminal 5 when it goes onsale to the "general" public? Yes.

Like you said, you're not trying to gloat, and neither am I... do I consider myself lucky? Of course, that's a given. Do I feel bad? No, not in the slightest.

My point is, don't feel guilty for trying to get more tickets if this is going to be an experience you truly appreciate & I'm sure you will never forget. Seeing NIN in this sort of environment, is one of a kind and if you can experience that more than once why not?

Now, let me see if I understand what the purpose of this thread is. It is so that people who took advantage of a flawed system can congratulate each other and gloat about the fact that they are proud to have stabbed their fellow nin.com members in the back by buying up as many tickets as they could and flaunt it as publicly as possible so that everyone else will know about it.

O.K.-Got it. Carry on.

smashitrebuildit posted:

so my question is whether or not shooting for the second night is a jerk move or not, especially since tickets are scarce. it already seems like a lot of people are going this route. if you had the opportunity to get more tickets to see one of your favorite bands on their last tour, would you?

A jerk move? Hell no! Your a fan! If I could I would've gotten tickets for every show. I happy enough with Bowery, Webster Hall and Terminal 5. Those were tough to get.