Re: 2009.08.02 - Knebworth, England [Sonisphere Festival]
 
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08/05/09 4:46 AM

WorzelG posted:
music_food posted:
WorzelG posted:
music_food posted:
WorzelG posted:
I'm sorry music_food maybe some people dislike Limp Bizkit because they think they are shit and even that stupid scratching noise they came onto was enough to repel us from the area. Don't just say people are being sycophants to Trent Reznor because you don't like people hating stuff you're into. There seem to be plenty of people who like Manson and NIN despite the stupid feud.

Jesus man, you need to take it easy. Firstly, I can't remember the intro music exactly, but considering you're a fan of a band that uses glitch and noise electronica sounds in their music, I'm a bit surprised you've gotten so aggressive towards it. I'm not calling NIN fans sycophantic because they're hating music I like, its not like i'm taking it personally, people are quite within their rights to like who they want. Myself, and clearly most of Knebworth on sunday, really enjoy Limp Bizkit. If its mostly the NIN fans that don't/didn't, its hardly unreasonable to look at their past feuds as a possible cause.

Sorry music_food didn't mean to come over aggressive but I guess it was inevitable as I have tonsilitis and can barely even speak, had it over the festival, so my mood is not at its best.

Ouch, nasty shit. Get better soon.

Thanks - walking for miles and miles because stupid buses don't turn up at Stevenage nearly broke me on the Sunday and I almost just went home. Didn't manage to stay for Metallica who I'd have liked to see, although I read that they didn't play much of the old stuff, I kind of lost touch with them after the Black album. So I have to admit I was kind of relieved there were no mosh pits for NIN considering we were a few rows back on the left!

No way, you weren't near a guy from birmingham that wouldn't shut up were you, was just to my left. Took it upon himself to piss in a cup afterwards and pour it on the floor.

 

08/05/09 5:08 AM

I was near a bloke and woman with fizzy bleached blond hair who wouldn't shut up, can't remember the accents - I was one of a party of four girls

 

08/05/09 8:04 AM

i dont know how i feel about this set any more....

i enjoyed it but knowing this could be the last time i saw them im a lil well i wish it had gone out with a big bang. but still i guess the headline shows did that!

anyway thank you for everything smiling smiley

 

08/05/09 8:04 AM

To me, the show was pure self-indulgence on the part of Trent\the band. Why on earth would he feel it necessary to "baffle or enrage" the people who have paid (a lot of!!) money to come and see the band's last ever UK gig??? It's utterly beyond me...

...yes, it was a very emotional set played well...there's no denying that but what was the thinking behind doing that to the audience? When the set finished, I looked at the stage in disbelief and was truly shocked to see the stage hands come and start dismantling the equipment.

The (majority of the) crowd were left totally flat and dejected, walking away feeling miserable - it was a rock concert for f***s sake, not a wake!!

NIN are known for a particular type of music, and fair play to Trent for deciding that he's no longer that person and for not wanting to play and (re)live it any more but to piss the fans off....to me it was a major error of judgement. If you feel that strongly that you don't want to play it any more, just decline the gig!

As much as it pains me to say this, and it truly does because they are one of my favourite live bands, I would rather NIN had not been on the lineup at all - at least that way, the Manchester show from 2 weeks ago would have been the memory of my final NIN gig, not the mournful, self-indulgent, festival-killing set that was played on Sunday.

 

08/05/09 8:07 AM

Not seen NIN since Leeds fest '07, was a very different experience. Loved it though, perfect way to spend a sunday evening with my mates. The Frail/Wretched was the highlight for me, LITS was amzing too. I only wished there was another 10 minutes of the set to blast out one of the heavies and a shame about the Metallica meatheads talking throughout but just had to accept that they were there to see their favorite band and i was there to see mine. Great way to say goodbye!

 

08/05/09 8:37 AM

anyone wanna buy me a ticket to see them headline at Toronto? ^_^

PLANE ticket, btw.

 

08/05/09 8:40 AM

Virulent posted:
anyone wanna buy me a ticket to see them headline at Toronto? ^_^

PLANE ticket, btw.
yea, and me too. good company.

 

08/05/09 8:59 AM

I wasn't there but I thought you guys might like to know about this...

[www.absoluteradio.co.uk]

Soundboard quality recording of The Way Out is Through and Wish. I'm looking around to see if the rest of the show is available anywhere. Would love to hear the rest of it, if anyone knows somewhere let me know.

 

08/05/09 9:10 AM

craigfraggle posted:
I wasn't there but I thought you guys might like to know about this...

[www.absoluteradio.co.uk]

Soundboard quality recording of The Way Out is Through and Wish. I'm looking around to see if the rest of the show is available anywhere. Would love to hear the rest of it, if anyone knows somewhere let me know.

Thanks a LOT for this, The Way Out Is Through is one of my favourite NIN songs and to hear it live was fascinating.

 

08/05/09 9:39 AM

My Videos

HURT


Non Entity


Something i can never have

Pictures soon ...

 

08/05/09 10:49 AM

Lordsmiff posted:
To me, the show was pure self-indulgence on the part of Trent\the band. Why on earth would he feel it necessary to "baffle or enrage" the people who have paid (a lot of!!) money to come and see the band's last ever UK gig??? It's utterly beyond me...

...yes, it was a very emotional set played well...there's no denying that but what was the thinking behind doing that to the audience? When the set finished, I looked at the stage in disbelief and was truly shocked to see the stage hands come and start dismantling the equipment.

The (majority of the) crowd were left totally flat and dejected, walking away feeling miserable - it was a rock concert for f***s sake, not a wake!!

NIN are known for a particular type of music, and fair play to Trent for deciding that he's no longer that person and for not wanting to play and (re)live it any more but to piss the fans off....to me it was a major error of judgement. If you feel that strongly that you don't want to play it any more, just decline the gig!

As much as it pains me to say this, and it truly does because they are one of my favourite live bands, I would rather NIN had not been on the lineup at all - at least that way, the Manchester show from 2 weeks ago would have been the memory of my final NIN gig, not the mournful, self-indulgent, festival-killing set that was played on Sunday.

He did play Wish and The Wretched and The Downward Spiral, it wasn't totally quiet

 

08/05/09 10:52 AM

Nearly forgot, I do Not want this, is pretty heavy AND Non Entity is in parts. Anyway didn't you get just a bit of a gutful of bands just giving you what you wanted and telling you you 'fucking rocked' and so on ad nauseum. Sorry I'm a metal-fan of old but I don't think I could handle another 2 day metal fest, it all runs just a bit too predictably for me these days

 

08/05/09 11:13 AM

 

08/05/09 11:21 AM

Mutleyonacid posted:
I'm beginning to wonder if I was at the same gig as everyone else on here!!!spinning smiley sticking its tongue out
Great choice of tunes & a great atmosphere where I was standing - very moving & intimate.

As for all Metallica fans being fuckwits - grow up - it is allowed for people to like different bands (I like both btw)

Hmm... talk about MISSING THE POINT! I never said it was impossible for people to like both NIN AND Metallica. Most people I know (myself included) indeed do like both bands, to varying degrees.

I was merely making an observation that just about all the Metallica fans that I've ever encountered at various Metallica shows over the years, have behaved like knuckle-dragging fuckwits. The end.

 

08/05/09 12:07 PM

trent it was the first time ive ever seen NIN live and i knew every word to everysong you played at knebworth so i was purley satisfied thank you and all the best for the future

 

08/05/09 12:17 PM

I know that the set was amazing, but at the time I came out feeling a little numb or emotionally overcome. It wasn't what I was expecting - especially having seen them three times in the 10 days leading up to the show - and I think that meant I didn't get as much out of it as I would have done if I'd known that was what the set was going to be like.

It did feel as though Trent wasn't feeling too great - there was a moment early on where he coughed mid lyric (I couldn't remember which song it was immediately after the set let alone now). It seemed as though they then decided to keep it chilled although Trent's post on here says otherwise.

At the time I think I was disappointed, but mainly due to having struggled through the crowd to get one from the barrier. That and I'd not really gone for it during any other band over the weekend so that I'd have the energy to go all out for the band which had basically determined the course of my life for the previous couple of weeks. Not to have that release was definitely emotionally disorienting - to the point where I felt like going home after the set (this despite Metallica being another one of my favourite acts and part of the reason I'd got a ticket).

So in all, I know it was brilliant, it just didn't give me the release which would have given me closure.

Oh, and it was heavy. It just wasn't fast (bar Wish).

 

08/05/09 12:20 PM

yea some guy was keep on shouting wakey wakey while trent was playing the frail.....cock metallica boil my piss i dint even watch em!

 

08/05/09 1:03 PM

derelict_sky posted:
That's not really my point, the songs I said were just random examples of what would have made a good set and a pleased crowd, after all, isn't that the point?

Which sections of the crowd? Your underlying assumption here seems to be that Reznor should have played not to the fans who were there for him, but for the people who were there for Metallica & had perhaps heard Closer once in a club & enjoyed it because it contains the word "fuck".

Personally I say the former deserve more attention.

derelict_sky posted:
Obviously a "good set" differs in everyones opinion, and obviously this being a NIN forum, there would be lots of support for NIN here (some of it misguided), but elsewhere it is certainly a different story.

It's almost like he thought his last ever England gig should be geared towards his fans, or something...

derelict_sky posted:
And don't think because they aren't on here that they are not "true fans" or whatever elitest bollocks some people on here will think (not you specifically dude, but I'm sure you know what I mean).

Roughly. I only got into NIN during c. the With Teeth/Year Zero era myself so I guess I'm a softcore neo-NINhead to some people, but fuck that.

derelict_sky posted:
I'm sure my opinion would be more favourable had I seen NIN before, but I haven't, so missing all of my favourite NIN songs (except Something I Can Never Have) is a kick in the crotch, I assure you.

It was my first time too.

I don't miss anything save We're In This Together too deeply, & I can appreciate that he'd played enough of The Fragile (not that there is such a thing).

someoneorother posted:
The (majority of the) crowd were left totally flat and dejected, walking away feeling miserable - it was a rock concert for f***s sake, not a wake!!

This is where you are mistaken.

 

08/05/09 1:18 PM

Revamp posted:
This is where you are mistaken.

I couldn't disagree more - he's "retiring" not dead. It should have been a celebration of the music we've all been buying \ playing \ going to see for the last several years - a balance, and yes, I know he played 3 heavy ones to kick it off but it just went downhill from there.

It felt like they went out with a whimper and not a bang.

I never suggested that they were bad tracks - I love Hurt and SICNH but there was no balance to the set and that's what disappointed me.

That said, it's each to their own and we'll never all agree on what would have been the best things to play because everyone has their own favourites - I would have gone with it all if we had had one jumpy one at the last - HLAH would have filled the last 5 minutes perfectly and this discussion would not even be taking place.

 

08/05/09 1:19 PM

craigfraggle posted:
[www.absoluteradio.co.uk]

Soundboard quality recording of The Way Out is Through and Wish. I'm looking around to see if the rest of the show is available anywhere. Would love to hear the rest of it, if anyone knows somewhere let me know.

does anybody know how to export the songs from this?
would be much appreciated

 

08/05/09 1:26 PM

Lordsmiff posted:
I couldn't disagree more - he's "retiring" not dead.

NIN is about to die.


posted:
It should have been a celebration of the music we've all been buying \ playing \ going to see for the last several years -

Hurt? I Just Want Something? The only genuinely obscure thing on there was the track off of Broken (which was the weak point of the set, by the way, that EP has far better songs).

posted:
It felt like they went out with a whimper and not a bang.

If you don't enjoy the sound of whimpering I'm not exactly sure why you're a NIN fan.

All frivolity aside: as I've said, it felt like he was purging himself emotionally of everything left in the project. I saw it as a cathartic release of whatever attachment he has to the band & a set intended to please the fans. Check the name of the tour, it isn't "More of the same".

posted:
I never suggested that they were bad tracks - I love Hurt and SICNH but there was no balance to the set and that's what disappointed me.

You just said he started with three heavy tracks!

posted:
That said, it's each to their own and we'll never all agree on what would have been the best things to play because everyone has their own favourites - I would have gone with it all if we had had one jumpy one at the last - HLAH would have filled the last 5 minutes perfectly and this discussion would not even be taking place.

It would have been predictable & dull. Survivalism would have been nice, though.

 

08/05/09 1:42 PM

Revamp posted:
Hurt? I Just Want Something? The only genuinely obscure thing on there was the track off of Broken (which was the weak point of the set, by the way, that EP has far better songs).
You mean Wish? The Grammy award winning track that's been pretty much an ever present live staple since it was released?

I'd have said that Non-Entity (not released in physical form) and Gone, Still (only available physically as a track on a bonus disc for a live album) were much more obscure.

 

08/05/09 3:53 PM

Rockfan88 posted:
craigfraggle posted:
[www.absoluteradio.co.uk]

Soundboard quality recording of The Way Out is Through and Wish. I'm looking around to see if the rest of the show is available anywhere. Would love to hear the rest of it, if anyone knows somewhere let me know.

does anybody know how to export the songs from this?
would be much appreciated

I have Apple Lossless rips of these tracks in my itunes - I will email them if you want ?

 

08/05/09 4:54 PM

The way i see it is opinion is divided, and you are all welcome to your own obviously tongue sticking out smiley

But, i think this all needs to be looked at objectively, this last few weeks in the uk (in fairness) wasn't about the fans. This was about Trent. He's had alot of shit over the years like most people, but this was his 'wave goodbye' not ours. He wanted his last show in the UK to be as emotional as he could make it. He's come to have a massive attachment to his fanbase, and in the end, wanted his goodbye.

I for one will sorely miss him, he's one of the best music has ever given to us on the world stage, and hopefully the studio work will continue. But please people don't question his motives because it wasnt what you wanted, it makes you sound like a spoilt child. We had his pounding tunes at the MEN & O2, then to leave us for good, he left us tearfully. and trust me, i was on the verge of crying at the MEN (yes i'm male and yes i admit to nearly crying tongue sticking out smiley)

I just ask you not to be so harsh on something maybe you havent understood yet, or possibly come to terms with....

 

08/05/09 6:37 PM

Ci5tm posted:
Rockfan88 posted:
craigfraggle posted:
[www.absoluteradio.co.uk]

Soundboard quality recording of The Way Out is Through and Wish. I'm looking around to see if the rest of the show is available anywhere. Would love to hear the rest of it, if anyone knows somewhere let me know.

does anybody know how to export the songs from this?
would be much appreciated

I have Apple Lossless rips of these tracks in my itunes - I will email them if you want ?

Yes Please!!
don't know if my email address is visible to people on here so will PM you it.

thanks alot!

 

08/05/09 6:43 PM

Evad-Black posted:
Revamp posted:
Hurt? I Just Want Something? The only genuinely obscure thing on there was the track off of Broken (which was the weak point of the set, by the way, that EP has far better songs).
You mean Wish? The Grammy award winning track that's been pretty much an ever present live staple since it was released?

I'd have said that Non-Entity (not released in physical form) and Gone, Still (only available physically as a track on a bonus disc for a live album) were much more obscure.

Teaches me not to double-check an uncertain answer given to me by a friend, eh? tongue sticking out smiley

 

08/05/09 7:21 PM

Lordsmiff posted:
To me, the show was pure self-indulgence on the part of Trent\the band. Why on earth would he feel it necessary to "baffle or enrage" the people who have paid (a lot of!!) money to come and see the band's last ever UK gig??? It's utterly beyond me...

I don't think it was Trent's intentions to baffle or enrage the NIN fans, rather the single-minded section of the audience that only listen to music with screaming and heavy guitars all the time and refuse to even listen to anything different. I'm sure he felt that the fans would appreciate a rare and unique set, but I guess some people didn't. Sucks to be them.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/05/2009 07:22PM by nrd39.

 

08/05/09 11:32 PM

A lot of people on here sound like my one of my friends, for whom Sonisphere was his first live experience of NIN. He went off on a long tirade about how Trent was "arrogant" for putting on a set like that. I might have argued back, but I was too busy experiencing an endless wave of euphoria from what I had just witnessed.

I never thought, in my wildest dreams, that I would get to see a set of such intimacy, such poignancy and such emotional depth from my favourite band of all time. Regardless of the band, these sort of sets only usually happen at small, unannounced gigs in tiny venues, where the guy at the back of the crowd can shake hands with the band without stretching. To get it at a FESTIVAL?! Unexpected, unforgettable and utterly unique.

I don't care in the slightest that some people didn't like it and care even less that you feel the need to tell the rest of us how disappointed you were. This was, to me, a perfect set.

By that, I do NOT mean it is the exact setlist I would have chosen to hear, as it is not. Not by a long shot. My set list would include The Perfect Drug, Just Like You Imagined, The Great Destroyer and about a dozen others that didn't get played.

The problem, I think is that that's how most people think of a gig - as a series of songs, nothing more. People might go so far as to give some sort of shape to a gig, normally defined by volume - i.e. loud beginning, quiet middle section, loud ending, encore of biggest hits -, but don't really appreciate that a gig can have a life, a meaning and an emotion of its own, totally seperate from the individual tracks.

To me, this gig felt like a whispered farewell, intended just for me and for those like me, perhaps like the end of the film Lost in Translation. Unlike the film, though, the whisper could be heard by everyone else, so I imagine it felt a little bit like eavesdropping on a private conversation to some.

I have never usually been the sort to fantasise about some sort of imagined closeness between myself and the performers on stage (none of this "I looooooove you, Trent!" nonsense - I've never met the man), but for a moment, just for a moment, the crowds, the heat, the chatter and the stench of bad food and worse toilets all disappeared. All that was left was this lonely figure, sheltering his sunburn, and the icon of music he has respected all his life, taking his hand, embracing him as a friend, saying his final goodbye and exiting, stage right.

Goodbye, Trent and thankyou for the memories

 

08/06/09 2:46 AM

zeros1s posted:
The way i see it is opinion is divided, and you are all welcome to your own obviously tongue sticking out smiley

But, i think this all needs to be looked at objectively, this last few weeks in the uk (in fairness) wasn't about the fans. This was about Trent. He's had alot of shit over the years like most people, but this was his 'wave goodbye' not ours. He wanted his last show in the UK to be as emotional as he could make it. He's come to have a massive attachment to his fanbase, and in the end, wanted his goodbye.

I for one will sorely miss him, he's one of the best music has ever given to us on the world stage, and hopefully the studio work will continue. But please people don't question his motives because it wasnt what you wanted, it makes you sound like a spoilt child. We had his pounding tunes at the MEN & O2, then to leave us for good, he left us tearfully. and trust me, i was on the verge of crying at the MEN (yes i'm male and yes i admit to nearly crying tongue sticking out smiley)

I just ask you not to be so harsh on something maybe you havent understood yet, or possibly come to terms with....

Good call, dude/

 

08/06/09 5:48 AM

I originally posted the day after sonisphere and I said then that I thought the set was awesome.

I still do.

Reading a lot of the posts since then, and I am probably oversimplyfying this, but people who hadn't seen a lot of NIN shows prior to this seem very pissed off. I guess I can understand that because they all wanted to jump around to HLAH / MOTP etc etc.

I have done all that on 14 previous occasions and enjoyed every minute of those shows streching waaaay back, but this was different. This was the end and that is what made this set and this choice of songs so very special.

I cried during SICNH and again during Hurt and stood there stunned and emotional for some time afterwards.

Just pure inspirational brillance.

Thank you

 
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