Wow, you guys are real political and shit! I honestly could no choose the lesser evil between McCain and Obama, but I couldn't vote anyway, since I'm legally a resident of New Mexico, and here I am in Las Vegas now. I really don't think, no matter who was elected, that it would really affect YZ2, since there's gonna be problems, and there's no guarantee that even though Obama used all these platforms to get elected that he'll even keep his promises. I don't care who it is, or how honest he/she seems, there's no possible way that there will ever be an honest president who actually can live up to the given promises. If there was, this country would be plunging into its own Downward Spiral. Yeah, that's pretty much as political as I get.

so obama will continue the wars on drugs and terror and freedom in general ?
with the same people that brought us hero's like osama bin laden pol pot and mau tse tung ?

so obama will keep patriot act 1 and 2 alive for his inconvenience and keeps pushing for the bush craved hr 1955 ?

great shit that obama, he does change a lot for you americans, and besides you americans for the whole fucking world.

anyone got the mandatory social service figured out yet ?
(sssst i hate to be a spoil but you are getting a DRAFT !, oops did you read DRAFT ? ....)
btw colin powell said jan 22 2009 will be a great day for obama....

maha you have an awesome name, i use that one for mydiary

obama the change you won't notice

i think when you look at the people he surrounds himself with he will just continue the same line of BS politics just in a different skin and a different color, but the essence will be the same,
milk the people and wage war on a phantom enemy created by his advisors.

and in that he will be fitting in the time line of year zero cause nothing changes really.

Well, we don't know what is going to happen under his presidency and it is a FICTION world in a way. We don't know if that stuff is going to happen.

As a side note, not completely off-topic....

Since we're online, in a forum, discussing YZ pt. 2, I just want to bring attention to the fact that part of Trent's excellence has been in his ability to continue to be creative and do his own thing despite direct access to speculation from fans (note: I don't believe anything wrong has been said in this forum).

There have been instances where writers or other artists had followings based on a really good project they were working on and then access to the internet, and inevitably access to fans opinions and predictions, resulted in the demise of whatever it was that was so great.

Prime example: X-Files.

What was a great show became absolutely worthless due to Chris Carter's inability to cope with fanbase speculation and predictions found on the internet. He would deliberately write plots contradicting the predictions of fans and it resulted in years of shitty episodes.

However, someone like Joss Whedon had no qualms with the internet fanbased predictions and criticisms during Buffy the Vampire Slayer (most specifically with Willow becoming the cliched "angry lesbian" after Tara's death). In the end, he agreed that his characters could be viewed in the ways fans perceived, but that's the way he wanted them written and it worked.

I think Trent has that same strength. More so than ever in his career he seems absolutely in control of his projects and whatever we say he'll take things where he feels is the right place. Some of us will love it, others won't. I admire his ability to do this.

With that said, I think we can still hope for more from the world of Year Zero. No one working on the project now could have possibly NOT taken into account the possibility of Obama being elected. Maybe two different plots were worked on at the same time. Who knows?

I mostly just want to find out what the hell The Presence really is!!!!! It was left unresolved and, for me, was one of the elements that really made the story of YZ unique!



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sui posted:

dstntp1lgr1m, there is a presence topic and obviously a clear mind within you

Why thank you!

As I do firmly believe government is always going to be government, politicians will keep up their slimy antics and will continually frustrate the hell out of it's people no matter what... The Bush administration had done more I think than almost any other administration in history to villify Washingon DC. As fucked as it is, the ignorance and cowboy mentality regime... really created some great art. The diamond in this enormous pile of poo, if you will.

I found myself throughout the election season listening to Year Zero almost non-stop. The energy from that album helped me tap into the frustrations and fears I had about the past 7-8 years and the worries of the outcome of the election. Now that we know our country could see beyond skin color, beyond a man they can simply 'relate' to and we've elected a intelligent and pragmatic man who by all accounts we can assume he will treat our nation as the precious jewel that she is... Year Zero doesn't do as much for me now as it did before November 4th. It's really bittersweet.

I just hope we don't all turn into a bunch of smelly hopeful hippies due to this. Heh heh. I want to maintain an element of contemplative anger, a certain level is good.

Three views on this-

1: As far as the YZ universe goes, there was a bit on that timeline (somewhere in the ARG stuff, not hunting for it right now) that one of the major events was the country's first female president (Clinton, anyone?) being convicted of treason, which led to the abandonment of free elections and the religious right seizing indefinite control. IMO that was intentionally left vague (e.g., what act of treason?), but indicated that there was some thought put into the idea of the GOP losing in 08 and how to get the storyline to compensate. So it wouldn't be difficult to warp the history of the immediate future around the Obama victory and end up in the same place (assassination, treason, terrorist attack in DC, etc., there's hundreds of ways to do this). Speaking of warping future events, I could suggest a War-of-the-Worlds-style hoax at the upcoming Academy Awards to relaunch the ARG, but that might be a little too much to take for folks who aren't in on the joke

2: As far as the TV show, this is what worries me. Sure, the show can go ahead just fine story-wise, but I personally don't see HBO picking it up. Fingers crossed that I'm wrong about this, but it seems like it's a great idea that's about two years too late. Two years ago, they were facing the end of their big flagship series (Sopranos), and science fiction/fantasy shows like BSG, Lost, and Heroes were runaway hits. Not to mention that under a Bush admin YZ was very topical. Now we're at a point where Lost has become more of a cult phenomenon than a mainstream hit, BSG is ending, and Americans are trying to look ahead at the positives instead of counting the minutes until the whole craphouse goes up in flames. So I see HBO execs thinking that YZ is a great idea, but one that simply goes in the pile with all the other great ideas and doesn't stay at the top due to lack of marketability. I figure that if they were going ahead the earliest they could air it would be this summer, at which point the science fiction programming trend has lost its shine and fears of a country run by neocons and religious nutters is dated news compared to what we'll be dealing with (and, frankly, if it isn't we will have much bigger problems to worry about than what's on TV). Just going by the numbers, it's likely to tank in ratings because in that environment it'll be a hard sell for the network.

3: Which leads me to the actual album. I don't think there's any reason to be concerned for the storyline, a writer will write whatever the hell they want to write and the rest of the world be damned. Especially when the person writing the story is looking at it from the end and just has to chart a way to get there. The question IMO becomes will Trent feel as compelled to release it if there's no show and/or ARG. This is where his leaving Interscope becomes a truly wonderful thing, because for the reasons I listed in 2 I think they'd tell him to shelve the idea like they did with Ghosts on the assumption that it wouldn't sell. Whether it'll make gobs of cash in the Top 40 is, thankfully, no longer the point. Whether Trent feels it's compelling enough to work on, instead of something else that he finds equally compelling, is. That one is something only he can answer.

Though I really hope that he does do it as I thought YZ was the best work he's ever done. I don't know if it'd do billions of dollars of sales (I kinda don't know if ANY album can do billions of dollars of sales these days, but that's a different wall of text), but I do think there are a whole lot of people out here in the wastelands who care very much and want to hear this album.

Trent seemed pretty pleased with the results of the election. However much work he has already put into YZ2 aside, I'm prepared to wait until things are screwed up to the point Trent is pissed off enough to finish it.
But really, I think the whole concept, not just the first part, was concived around the same time, so I don't think it will really have much of an effect. There is still a story to be told, and though the world it was inspired by is now a little different, things are by no means over.

it depends on how you view the world of YZ
taking it as a story (not an alternate reality) it is not going to be effected by obama
taking it as an alternate reality this might change the out come

it is the same as a life if you choose a different school to go to you would still end up a nin fan yet with different friends and maybe a different job or view on reality or lover or what ever, and thus obama might change YZ, but the history of YZ tells us that their historic events did not have time travel, and this line does have because we were witness of it with the websites and stuff, there fore it changes their outcome of reality as the history changed and thus their reality.

would it be notable ?
i guess that all depends in how far and how deep the rabbit hole goes for the YZ world.

us knowing of YZ makes us in the future more aware of the situation, thus we are marked by bom
yet we now know prior and can adjust our actions accordingly.

not that i think obama was a great adjustment ...
and yes i am still playing a game called YZ, call me crazy.

"All great American presidents have one thing in common; they are assassinated. The bible code states that Obama will be killed during his first term"

that would stain the list of great presidents....
cause obama sucks already even when not officially in office....

sui posted:

if obama was change, he would not have gotten in with the same old same old who is surrounding himself with these days. old NWO faces that worked in washington for years, so no change there.

Sorry guys, SUI is right. Don't get blinded by empty rhetoric. They're selling you the same way they sell toothpaste to you. All fluff no content. Just look at Obama's actions - I mean seriously look at them without any predisposition. He's voted for wiretapping american citizens, he's voted for more wars, he wants to leave military bases in iraq, he sells bombs to Israel to bomb citizens in Palestine... I mean seriously!

How is he any different than every other Rich dude that has come into office? He's got you right where he wants you, sitting on the couch thinking the world is safe and sound now. Go PICK BACK UP YOUR PICKET SIGN!

VorticistsSuite posted:

All great American presidents have one thing in common; they are assassinated. The bible code states that Obama will be killed during his first term and Biden will resign and appoint Hillary Clinton to take the office who will bring in the antichrist and will mark the beginning of the end. If you believe in that sort of thing. Good news for all the Year Zero lovers out there, bad news for humanity.

well, when did we transport millennial apocalyptic theory to apply 8 years after the fact? Or is there some new interpretation of the biblical revelation of the antichrist? And yes i know apocalyptic literature...my (first) ex-wife was a huge scholarly geek on it so I know the prophecy and such...
plus I've seen The Omen...

Is there a "year" that this was all supposed to happen that I didn't know about or are we just fitting the scriptures to the current state of affairs like every generation that's come before us that has faced a time of "impending doom?"

I promise that wasn't meant to be as snarky as it came across...i'm just not energetic enough to back space on it. I really am curious about what the current interpretations are saying about the whole thing.

i don't think it will change a damn thing, look at the world...yep..still fucked, plenty to talk about.

just my thoughts...but maybe we are on the right track, who knows??

VorticistsSuite posted:

All great American presidents have one thing in common; they are assassinated. The bible code states that Obama will be killed during his first term and Biden will resign and appoint Hillary Clinton to take the office who will bring in the antichrist and will mark the beginning of the end. If you believe in that sort of thing. Good news for all the Year Zero lovers out there, bad news for humanity.

The Bible Code also said there'd be nuclear war started by China in 2006.

The idea Obama will or can fix everything, or really anything, is kind of naive. The power required to fix everything would be a paradox--- because that would mean he'd have to have pretty much supreme power which undermines what America is about anyway and part of the problem is that the government is too powerful.

In my view George Washington was the greatest president--- and he lived fine.
No one talks about how Abraham Lincoln seized assets and burned down businesses that didn't agree with his politics...



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