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07/13/09 4:21 PM

Going back to the original purpose of the thread, if -I- wouldn't include Obama so much as I would include "The Family."

THAT is some of the scariest stuff I've heard about in a while. And it's REAL, which is more then I can say about Sui's "there is a war going on for your mind" stuff.

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07/13/09 4:59 PM

sui posted:
listening to lyrics can be done from many vantage points,
not always the same and not always "inline" with the artist.

Excellent point Sui, and well stated. Just because I have loved Trent Reznor's music for over 13 years now doesn't mean that I have to fall inline with his political views. When I listen to songs like the good soldier, I'm sure as a veteran of the Iraq War my outlook is gonna be drastically different than a young man still in high school or a celebrity entertainer. I love Nine Inch Nails lyrics, and I love that sometimes those same lyrics challenge my views. Examining other standpoints on issues is key to being objective, and not just being a sheep.

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07/14/09 9:45 AM

dreamer, you don't have to "believe" it is in your and every one else s face.
and i don't say you have to believe or read what i post here, but it is a view point you may consider.

obama has done nothing but LIE to the people, and he even admits it with regards to the NAU and his contradicting campaign promises or the time he was campaigning and visited a car factory and made some promises...

infowars reports on that just as many other sites, but nothing is reported in the mainstream about his broken promises.

the fact that infowars said he would break them prior to him having broken them is more than i can say for the hope and change chanels.

edit for a great example...
[www.abovetopsecret.com]
yeah i know it is a conspiracy site, read it and check it if you don't believe it.
and no don't believe it, check it !
know that they are screwing with your information supply and thus screwing with your mind and thus waging war on your freedom and information and your mind !

you can make me look like a fool, but please do so with FACTS
facts are that the mass media is pulling your leg !
not me.

and on topic,
[therealnews.com]
note i use other sources...
just have fun...
edit for this comment i could not hold back for you when you watch the provided link and youtube within it.
"look hun, our kids are trench coat maffia..."

yeah i know, horrible joke...



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 07/14/2009 11:55AM by sui.

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07/16/09 7:34 AM

richter posted:
Nothing will change, only the face. The US will still head in the same direction, just watch.

Luckily I get a front row seat up here in Canada.

Hey! I'd really appriciate it if you'd fuck off and quit knocking my country. This isn't a god damn gameshow to "watch." and if you're so damn proud of being cannadian, stay the fuck out of American issues, eh?

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07/16/09 7:38 AM

sui posted:
dreamer, you don't have to "believe" it is in your and every one else s face.
and i don't say you have to believe or read what i post here, but it is a view point you may consider.

obama has done nothing but LIE to the people, and he even admits it with regards to the NAU and his contradicting campaign promises or the time he was campaigning and visited a car factory and made some promises...

infowars reports on that just as many other sites, but nothing is reported in the mainstream about his broken promises.

the fact that infowars said he would break them prior to him having broken them is more than i can say for the hope and change chanels.

edit for a great example...
[www.abovetopsecret.com]
yeah i know it is a conspiracy site, read it and check it if you don't believe it.
and no don't believe it, check it !
know that they are screwing with your information supply and thus screwing with your mind and thus waging war on your freedom and information and your mind !

you can make me look like a fool, but please do so with FACTS
facts are that the mass media is pulling your leg !
not me.

and on topic,
[therealnews.com]
note i use other sources...
just have fun...
edit for this comment i could not hold back for you when you watch the provided link and youtube within it.
"look hun, our kids are trench coat maffia..."

yeah i know, horrible joke...


Hey! Thanks for the sources!

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07/19/09 2:00 AM

It does seem to me that Obama might not be QUITE the saviour of the world everyone made him out to be. Personally I think Trent should set the YZ TV show in Europe, we've started electing BNP-type neo-nazis into office (except Sweden apparently)

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07/19/09 1:37 PM

[www.infowars.com]

you have gotta love the sneaky bold rudeness of this guy.
if ever there was one man that would qualify as deceptive, this is your man
lets here it for the fraud of the century, barak h obama.

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07/24/09 9:53 AM

mad_jack posted:
richter posted:
Nothing will change, only the face. The US will still head in the same direction, just watch.

Luckily I get a front row seat up here in Canada.

Hey! I'd really appriciate it if you'd fuck off and quit knocking my country. This isn't a god damn gameshow to "watch." and if you're so damn proud of being cannadian, stay the fuck out of American issues, eh?

Hey, im in Britain, and seeing as YOUR country is the most powerful country in the world, whatever effects YOUR country, effects ours too.

The Bush administration was a prime example of this and the fact that we are in a global (yeah, thats right, GLOBAL!) recession seems like we have to watch YOUR country for the answers.

i love how no likes to point the knifes inwards.

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07/24/09 10:18 AM

Averus_32 posted:
mad_jack posted:
richter posted:
Nothing will change, only the face. The US will still head in the same direction, just watch.

Luckily I get a front row seat up here in Canada.

Hey! I'd really appriciate it if you'd fuck off and quit knocking my country. This isn't a god damn gameshow to "watch." and if you're so damn proud of being cannadian, stay the fuck out of American issues, eh?

Hey, im in Britain, and seeing as YOUR country is the most powerful country in the world, whatever effects YOUR country, effects ours too.

The Bush administration was a prime example of this and the fact that we are in a global (yeah, thats right, GLOBAL!) recession seems like we have to watch YOUR country for the answers.

i love how no likes to point the knifes inwards.

Its not only Bush's fault we are in a global recession.

We are all in a global recession because we all waste money that we do not have through credit, and we all, collectively have been digging ourselves a fiscal hole that we can not get out of.

It was everyones fault:

Banks, housing industry, constant spenders and the iraq war.

We shouldn't spend our times putting a face on whos to blame, but to figure out how to solve this problem.

Right now it seems that Obama is just knocking the bush administration and spending way to much money, thus doubling the national debt.

You can not spend money that you do not have.

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07/24/09 10:45 AM

veronicasalas posted:
Averus_32 posted:
mad_jack posted:
richter posted:
Nothing will change, only the face. The US will still head in the same direction, just watch.

Luckily I get a front row seat up here in Canada.

Hey! I'd really appriciate it if you'd fuck off and quit knocking my country. This isn't a god damn gameshow to "watch." and if you're so damn proud of being cannadian, stay the fuck out of American issues, eh?

Hey, im in Britain, and seeing as YOUR country is the most powerful country in the world, whatever effects YOUR country, effects ours too.

The Bush administration was a prime example of this and the fact that we are in a global (yeah, thats right, GLOBAL!) recession seems like we have to watch YOUR country for the answers.

i love how no likes to point the knifes inwards.

Its not only Bush's fault we are in a global recession.

We are all in a global recession because we all waste money that we do not have through credit, and we all, collectively have been digging ourselves a fiscal hole that we can not get out of.

It was everyones fault:

Banks, housing industry, constant spenders and the iraq war.

We shouldn't spend our times putting a face on whos to blame, but to figure out how to solve this problem.

Right now it seems that Obama is just knocking the bush administration and spending way to much money, thus doubling the national debt.

You can not spend money that you do not have.

^yet we do.

i agree collectively with these points, but it seems the US are trying to do it on there own and thus the eyes are pointed in that direction.

but i also believe that immigration has a huge effect on the economy too.

Since the Irag and Afganistan wars, Immigration has soared.

I live in a little place called Stoke on Trent in the middle of England, where i study as a student.

I have seen how the Pottery industry has gone down, because they have a cheaper working force overseas, yet people buying the pottery want authenticity, thus shutting the industry down.

Phone company's are now making customers pay on credit card, because asylum seekers are buying phones in bulk and are selling the phones for sometimes double the price overseas.

Social (or dole) is being given away to immigrants, who have been GIVEN housing, as the our goverment dont want to seem racist.

and its had a negative effect.

Around stoke it has a bitter climate at the moment, the BNP, (AKA, The British National Party) are going through extremist views, and are quikly gaining power.

Then.

Im a student and i find this retarded.

To do a course in the U.K for 3 year at a city university you are looking for about £9000, about $20,000 (i think)

on top of that, £500 burseries and £945 pound grants (You dont pay these back and you get 2 of these burseries and 3 grants per year) AND £4000 pounds worth of student loans and £3000 grands worth of student living costs per year are given to students.

now here comes the retarded part.

you finish the university and you get a job.

in order to pay the debt back, you HAVE to be earning over £15,000 a year and you pay back 5% off every month.

if you carnt find a job that earns you £15,000 by the time your 30, it gets WRITTEN completely off.

Then we have college students.

for studnets aged 16-19 they get an allowance called EMA, (Education Matenance Allowance) this pays £30 per week and £100 bonuses if a test or attendance is high, etc.

THIS DOESNT HAVE TO BE PAYED BACK.

now put this into perspective.

how many students are there in the U.K alone?
then immigration.
then redundancy.

it all adds up.

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07/24/09 10:59 AM

That is outragious! The government, for one, should not be paying its citizens finances.

A country should be a place of opertunity. When people are being given things they become depended and act like leeches.

Thats why I admire America. Its meant for a place of opertunity, but it seems that it will not last.

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07/24/09 11:06 AM

tell that to the banker friends of obama.
or the lobbyists and big industries

here is one to think about how government is working "properly"

i think it is better to return some tax money to the people than to hand it out to political financial friends that will not put it back in the economy.

[www.huffingtonpost.com]

remember that students are the next tax payers.

both of you above me forget that students are big spenders.
have them accustomed to money and "the easy" life and they will be suckers and thus "productive" tax payers.

remember what kind of world you live in, one that runs on money and the flow of money
and those things like students loans etc work like a charm to make suckers out of them.

i would worry more about the lack of national banks.
the lack of people printing their own money rather than big international banking systems. like the FED and ECB, or the bank of england which is not even english...

there you have a far more bigger problem than the peanuts of students costs.



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07/24/09 4:41 PM

Sui, yet again right.

There are people in retirement homes because they have to sell there homes for health care...

...then the fuckers who rob the tax payers get it all for free.

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07/24/09 6:49 PM

Thats what I've been saying before Obama was put into office. I knew that a global healthcare plan was awful, I mean, people who listened and were not blinded by the false presidential persona created by the occult-personality-that-is-Obama can figure that out easily.

Pople treat this man like hes Jesus Christ; "god-like".

When he was trying to pass the healthcare plan he was trying to get it done fast so people didnt have time to react. Thank god the Republican party, and also some dems, were able to stall the bill.

Why would anyone want a different healthcare plan? I would never want the government to to tell me what I need. The government themselves would not even beapart of a that healthcare plan, their's would be different, better. Because they are important and they need to live.

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07/28/09 7:18 AM

[www.youtube.com]

just a funny thing with obama i guess flip flopping around and around....
now that he is the potus, he can do what he did not like about the bush potus tongue sticking out smiley

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07/30/09 12:29 AM

Obama could be the outcome of information being shared with people in the past (the USB drives, etc.) -- TRUE change, if you will.

However, a sequel could center around the problems that occur because of this change. If you sever a finger to prevent it from molesting a child, what if your missing finger ultimately leads to the deaths of thousands; you become delusional and fantasize your finger haunts you, driving you to build and detonate an atom bomb.

Time manipulation I reckon is a lot like transitioning from one administration to the next in terms of government. Sometimes the transition is seamless. Other times it is slow or awkward. Care must be taken to keep it from exploding no matter what the case, however.

Of course there is always the option of going the phantom Obi-Wan Kenobi route and keeping Bush around past his presidential expiration date to influence the young Jedi-commander in chief Obama into doing things his way. This would make sense, too, because it isn't like W. lost all his power when he moved out of the White House. The guy still has influence -- to what extent this influence stretches, I really don't know.

Let's just hope Capital O makes its way to the tracklist if there is a sequel.

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07/30/09 3:59 AM

[www.democracynow.org]

for some one who seals his own records to hide something about his (immigrant??) past
this is quite bold,

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08/05/09 11:56 AM

I can guarantee that someday this world is gonna end, how it ends is not important. But with this i can assure you that we need too start burying guns and ammunition for when the gestapo comes to disarm the public. That being said I Highly doubt obama is gonna fuck us over, but i do think he's clearing a path for the next president too totally fuck it up. I think hes a puppet and his only purpose is too restore faith in politics. And of course were being fed faulty information, even our movies are in a way preparing us for a new world order. Or at least getting people used too the idea. And free health care?? Seriously that's just another mass distribution scam too poison the population or some shit. Funny how real life is starting too parallel Year Zero... And thank God NIN fan's are educated

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08/06/09 7:52 AM

The "President" is asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed "fishy" or otherwise contrary to the White House's political interests??!!

"There is a lot of healthcare reform disinformation out there. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about healthcare reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."-M. Phillips; Obama's Director of New Media

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08/06/09 4:38 PM

Kipple posted:
The "President" is asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed "fishy" or otherwise contrary to the White House's political interests??!!

"There is a lot of healthcare reform disinformation out there. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about healthcare reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."-M. Phillips; Obama's Director of New Media


Yeah that's just creepy. Never before has the president/white house asked citizens to report other citizens for "fishy" speech. And of all things about health care reform. I'm not going to comment for someone may turn me in, lol. Seriously though, what are they going to do with that information that people turn in? Obama is just a continuation of most Bush policies, only with a black face. But uh yeah, go Obama! *Goose steps out of forum*

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08/06/09 10:15 PM

Kipple posted:
The "President" is asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed "fishy" or otherwise contrary to the White House's political interests??!!

"There is a lot of healthcare reform disinformation out there. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about healthcare reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."-M. Phillips; Obama's Director of New Media

LOL. Really?

Alright, stand back for a second.
Certainly M. Phillips there could have worded that e-mail better, but what he's talking about is reporting "healthcare reform disinformation". You know, that bs that's floating around about killing seniors and state sponsored abortion. Not contrary opinions. I mean, Phillips could have said "There is a lot of healthcare reform opposition out there..." and that would have been scary.

They're not trying to round up names, monitor people, and go all Stasi on them, they're just trying to collect lies and make them known as lies. It's just a gimmick to try to make people feel more active and involved with US politics. You let me know at the moment people start disappearing as a result of these emails. You shall be waiting for a while, I promise you that.

So calm down, take a deep breath and critically analyze your paranoia.

Well, I'm currently awaiting responses such as "that's what they want you to think", "you've been brainwashed", "how do you know?", and/or "you're secretly an agent working against us critically thinking people trying to quash opposition and make way for the new world order (zeitgeistmovie.com)". But I just hope you've been equipped with enough of a brain to not only critically analyze what's happening around you, but also what you are thinking, and what others are thinking on the topic.

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08/07/09 5:41 AM

smittygecko posted:
Kipple posted:
The "President" is asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White House for pure political speech that is deemed "fishy" or otherwise contrary to the White House's political interests??!!

"There is a lot of healthcare reform disinformation out there. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about healthcare reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."-M. Phillips; Obama's Director of New Media

LOL. Really?

Alright, stand back for a second.
Certainly M. Phillips there could have worded that e-mail better, but what he's talking about is reporting "healthcare reform disinformation". You know, that bs that's floating around about killing seniors and state sponsored abortion. Not contrary opinions. I mean, Phillips could have said "There is a lot of healthcare reform opposition out there..." and that would have been scary.

They're not trying to round up names, monitor people, and go all Stasi on them, they're just trying to collect lies and make them known as lies. It's just a gimmick to try to make people feel more active and involved with US politics. You let me know at the moment people start disappearing as a result of these emails. You shall be waiting for a while, I promise you that.

So calm down, take a deep breath and critically analyze your paranoia.

Well, I'm currently awaiting responses such as "that's what they want you to think", "you've been brainwashed", "how do you know?", and/or "you're secretly an agent working against us critically thinking people trying to quash opposition and make way for the new world order (zeitgeistmovie.com)". But I just hope you've been equipped with enough of a brain to not only critically analyze what's happening around you, but also what you are thinking, and what others are thinking on the topic.

The point that is being made is that this is the first time an administration has ever called upon citizens to report other citizens on "fishy" speech. What if the Bush administration had asked citizen A to tattle on citizen B for speaking out on the war against Iraq? The media would have been in a frenzy! The majority of people find this odd and "creepy" that the government would ask for such information. It's been a few days and there has been no answer on behalf of Obama what they plan on doing with said information. For instance, what if you are put at the bottom of a secret list in the future to see a doctor? When they deem the value of your life at a later age is not worth the extra health care, since you are a "trouble maker" and have criticized the government in the past.

Now I'm not speaking out against the government here at all. I'm just merely hypothesizing. If anything this kind of vague intimidation deters people from calling out the government on it's BS regarding the health care situation. I mean let's just start on how this is supposed to be paid for. If it costs a couple trillion dollars where will that money come from? If they don't raise taxes for the middle class and refuse to increase the federal deficit (which would be insane), it just doesn't add up.

The point is there will be no health care reform. You are obviously blind and do not know the issues if you think this will improve things for the average person. The only person this will improve things for is if you are living in the gutter and live off government cheese. Hope I didn't offend any of you freeloaders...

So to bring things full circle. This is very "Year Zero-esque" in the regard it is the government just getting bigger and bigger. More controlling. Gathering information, for unknown reasons. Turning citizen against citizen. Kinda like that 800 number eh?



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08/07/09 5:44 AM

What makes me laugh here is that everyone is convinced the Government or FBI or whatever is so all-seeing and omnipotent they can do all these things. Or is the incompetence of, say, allowing Sept 11th to happen just part of their master plan to lull people into a false sense of security?


I'm from the UK and I'd just like to say that OUR Government couldn't plan a piss-up in a brewery - don't know about yours though. In fact our biggest worry is that the govt is SO incompetent departments keep losing data on people which could end up in the wrong hands, so yes that is a concern



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08/08/09 8:30 AM

[www.youtube.com]

LOL

information made simple...

edit for some obama white house news tongue sticking out smiley
[www.foxnews.com]
and yes it is fox tongue sticking out smiley

edit for other obama BS
[www.youtube.com]



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08/09/09 1:40 PM

reset posted:
The point that is being made is that this is the first time an administration has ever called upon citizens to report other citizens on "fishy" speech. What if the Bush administration had asked citizen A to tattle on citizen B for speaking out on the war against Iraq? The media would have been in a frenzy!

Indeed, however the Obama administration is not asking for people to report dissent. They're asking people to report misinformation. Why? A stupid media war between Dems and Reps. They're just trying to get a bill passed and stop any misinformation from lowering poll numbers.


posted:
The majority of people find this odd and "creepy" that the government would ask for such information. It's been a few days and there has been no answer on behalf of Obama what they plan on doing with said information.

First part: When out of context, the concept is practically Orwellian, or YZ ARG-esque.

Second part:
See this: [www.cbsnews.com]

...and this: [factcheck.barackobama.com]

Exactly what I said in my first post.


posted:
For instance, what if you are put at the bottom of a secret list in the future to see a doctor? When they deem the value of your life at a later age is not worth the extra health care, since you are a "trouble maker" and have criticized the government in the past.

Private practice medicine, my friend. My best friend is a doctor and runs a private practice of his own, completely free from government intrusion, except for crippling malpractice insurance fees. It helps to keep the pesky government out of your hair. grinning smiley

posted:
Now I'm not speaking out against the government here at all. I'm just merely hypothesizing. If anything this kind of vague intimidation deters people from calling out the government on it's BS regarding the health care situation. I mean let's just start on how this is supposed to be paid for. If it costs a couple trillion dollars where will that money come from? If they don't raise taxes for the middle class and refuse to increase the federal deficit (which would be insane), it just doesn't add up.

I agree, the gov't really needs to get their shit together.

posted:
The point is there will be no health care reform. You are obviously blind and do not know the issues if you think this will improve things for the average person. The only person this will improve things for is if you are living in the gutter and live off government cheese. Hope I didn't offend any of you freeloaders...

Disagree, but it doesn't really matter, neither of us can see into the future. I guess we'll have to see what happens.

posted:
So to bring things full circle. This is very "Year Zero-esque" in the regard it is the government just getting bigger and bigger. More controlling. Gathering information, for unknown reasons. Turning citizen against citizen. Kinda like that 800 number eh?

I really wanted to avoid getting too partisan about this, but I don't think it's Obama or the Dems we really have to worry about turning citizen against citizen and gathering information for unknown reasons. Although, if Obama does end up going in a cripplingly authoritarian direction, you have full right to tell me that you told me so.

sui posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGuW2oTVkMY

LOL

information made simple...

edit for some obama white house news tongue sticking out smiley
[www.foxnews.com]
and yes it is fox tongue sticking out smiley

edit for other obama BS
[www.youtube.com]

My god, you've just referenced Fox News and Michele Bachmann, and presented the information as if it were reliable facts. Wow. I'm mostly speechless.

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08/09/09 6:47 PM

was the news from fox about the snitch mail not true than ?

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08/10/09 3:59 AM

[www.csmonitor.com]

an example of bush and obama BS
he can shut his own public records on day one in office, but he can not do this repeal ?
he's full of BULL that obama joker.

guess why he has not visited the netherlands yet.
and please note we are like great Britain co conspirators in wars of aggression
so why that threat ? why keep it in place ?
(to hide an international investigation ?)

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08/10/09 9:15 PM

You guys have to understand, that Obama is just another man at the helm of the American empire. No one that is able to be elected into National politics in this country only far right (Bush) of central right obama to a lesser degree compared to a Clinton could be elected. So when you see an Obama and he does some really good things (closing of gitmo the health care plan really week but its a start) and when people seem shocked that he is center right but he is the most radical person that could be elected in this culture of sheeple. and to strech on the point what does his election mean to the scope of year zero, we have been in a mild year zero atmosphere for years and i don't think Obama is going to change that.
end rant

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08/11/09 10:02 AM

I honestly think the "Year Zero" track would have been the same regardless of who was elected-but I'm much more disturbed with the socialist track we're headed on now. If the health insurance bill passes... do you know there's a clause requiring "assisted death counseling" for seniors? Or one mandating parenting classes? Sounds like the parenting credits from YZ to me for sure. Until people stop seeing "Democrats" and "Republicans" and start seeing politicians with very real motivation for personal success and indoctrination, we'll continue to have our freedoms whittled away until we're in a real YZ world-and it'll be a hell of a lot easier to stop it now than to escape once we're there.

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08/17/09 8:24 AM

Wow, when Bush (who sent your children and your brothers into a meaningless war on false grounds) was in power you were all sucking the governments dick, now the government is evil? This thread sucks. Oh, and wingnuts: Trent hates you.

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