Year Zero - The Novel
 
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12/08/08 12:36 PM

Hi Everyone

I had the idea of novellizing Year Zero for an imaginative school project last year, and everyone seemed to like it.
It wasn't very long - it was only a project. But all my mates said to me I should take it 1 step further and write a full-length novel about it. I said might do, but I wouldn't start it until at least the 2nd half of next year, as I have other more important things to do.
But before I even think about it, I said I'd need some support from the fans who like the idea. Anyone?
If it eventually goes forth, it'll be a long-term goal that I'll probably spend a very long time on, but I promise to get it done.
So who thinks I should go for it?
Cheers



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/23/2009 11:00AM by TheGreatSchizm.

 

12/08/08 1:13 PM

do it, that'd be sweet.

 

12/08/08 2:53 PM

That would be amazing. I'd totally buy it grinning smiley

 

12/08/08 8:06 PM

Sounds like a good idea but most of Year Zero (ARG) is like a novel only no chapters or things of that sort. Now if we are talking about the album, then yes, a much better idea than something similar.

 

12/08/08 7:36 PM

You'll need an original title if it's to be legit...

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n7/n36670.jpg

Bought this a couple of years ago to see if it had anything to do with NiN... nope. Only musical reference was to Margo Timmins getting into a post-epidemic shelter by singing... interesting read though.
*VC*

EDIT: image link didn't work moody smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/08/2008 07:39PM by VegaChastain.

 

12/08/08 7:42 PM

Just an idea I had, I wrote some original fiction last year, that happened to be set in the world of Year zero. I think maybe a collection of short stories would also be a good idea?
There are many different themes/perspectives in the album & ARG, and a variety of characters, which could result in some interesting styles of writing.

 

12/09/08 9:06 AM

Sorry, no.

Graphic Novel, yes.

Is there a thread on this?

 

12/09/08 10:25 AM

Thanks for all your support so far - more is still welcome.
More Info:
-There were 16 chapters in the project, named after the songs on the album. They were my interpretations of what was going on in the songs.
-Each chapter covered a side of A4 paper.
-Main character was Angry Sniper.
-I used ideas from the album and the ARG.

Hope you find this interesting...

 

12/09/08 10:33 AM

Wait, so a chapter would only be one side of an A4?

That's more like a Novelette...


In order for this project to really to read clearly and to actually have a real hook, you need to lengthen it IMO.

 

12/09/08 2:14 PM

Well, he did say that the project was for school, and if he were to go ahead and write the whole thing he would lengthen it. It was right in the first post.


Also, yeah, it be a cool read. I say go for it.

 

12/13/08 11:38 AM

Hi its me again guys.
I'm trying to upload an image of the front cover of my project in case you guys are interested.
Just as soon as I figure out how...
Seems to be no option that allows you to upload images from the hard disk.
Hmm...

 

12/13/08 12:57 PM

TheGreatSchizm posted:
Hi its me again guys.
I'm trying to upload an image of the front cover of my project in case you guys are interested.
Just as soon as I figure out how...

Photobucket smiling smiley

 

12/13/08 9:49 PM

If you're going to lengthen the novel and go into detail with it, I think it would be a hefty project. You would definitely not get good feedback from a lot of people, but I would totally read it and support your book, of course assuming it follows the album in any sort of structural format. (I'm sure you wouldn't be able to mess that up, though.)

However, in my opinion, if you do follow through, and you want it to be detailed and have depth and meaning and reason, then do it right. Make sure you aren't just reading random things from the internet and then implimenting that for the novel - I would definitely do at least a small amount of research for each idea that you come across. However, some could be less researched than others. Obviously you will have less to say about Hyperpower!, it being the short intro/instrumental, than you would about Survivalism, having its own hidden meanings and feelings.

But anyway, I think it's a great idea. I'm VERY interested in what you would choose to make. One question though, are you following the album like it's a real story, with real plots and characters, or is it more of a '3rd person view', like a book that is more of a documented adventure? I think the first, an in-depth personal adventure, would be SO cool for YZ.

Anyways, good luck, I'm looking forward to whatever you come up with GreatSchizm. And btw - I think for the front cover you should use a picture of some sort, like the Presence or something. But that would be bland as its on the album cover. Maybe if you did like a hidden picture within a painting sort of thing, something symbolic of the main theme in your novel. That'd be cool. Just my idea.

 

12/14/08 7:13 AM

I'm now attempting to answer all and any question given, as long as I can cope with it.

First of all VegaChastain, thanks for your suggestion. I've managed to strike a deal with a friend of mine who has a youtube account, so I've sent him the cover image and we'll work together to get it here ASAP.
Yeah, noticed your previous picture. Looks like an interesting book. Might look it up sometime. Cheers.

-----------------------------------------------

Thank you for your lengthy contribution, ChaseNine. I noticed you had a few good ideas and some questions...
To summarise your first paragraph, yes it will follow the album. In the project, each chapter was named after the songs on Year Zero, and they were my interpretations of the song's lyrical meanings. Sometimes I drifted a bit and added my own sparks of creativity, but it all still flows smoothly.
2nd paragraph: I know what you mean. I researched all of the info for the project from those mysterious websites that appeared as part of the ARG. I also used NinWiki (fantastic source if I do say so), for some background info on the album and some additional info about the websites. In the project, the Hyperpower! chapter was all dialogue from an unknown speaker at that point in the story (you find out who it is later). I just wanted to set the scene, so it's basically an intro to the world of Year Zero and what's been happening acording to the timeline.
3rd paragraph: Yes there were characters and real settings in it. I laced all the songs together with a storyline, though there were gaps of years between some: I think somewhere at the start of a chapter it says something like "2 years later..." or something like that. Just to keep it short for school. It was mainly centred around the views of the main character, but if a certain chapter was about somebody else, then I incorporated their views into it as well, especially if the main character wasn't involved at that point. It was third-person, so I myself told the story.
Finally 4th paragraph: There was a picture on the cover. If you wait for a little while you'll be able to see it, as hopefully I will upload it soon. And no it wasn't the Presence - that would be silly as it's on the album, like you said. See what you think of the original when I upload it.

Thanks for all your feedback so far. Appreciate it. Glad to see you all like my idea.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/31/2008 03:10PM by TheGreatSchizm.

 

12/15/08 1:26 PM

[s381.photobucket.com]

Got my picture uploaded. The front cover on the project.
Cool ey?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/15/2008 01:27PM by TheGreatSchizm.

 

12/15/08 2:12 PM

Well, GreatSchizm, thanks for answering all my questions, and now that I know mostly what you plan and how your going about this, I'm even more excited than when I read this thread first time around.

I love your cover so far. Incredible, if that was the finished print, that would be a great one. Well good luck - I'm very anxious. If I think of more questions I'll ask, but so far it sounds like an ambitious and hopefully awe striking project! Hopefully most of the fans aside from picky ones like myself will enjoy it as much as I hope to!

 

12/15/08 4:38 PM

i think if you publish... you have to use thermochrome somewhere just like the cd. that would be the icing on the cake.

 

12/16/08 6:59 AM

You might consider asking to use the concept first, after all it is Trents story to tell.

 

12/17/08 9:22 AM

What you are proposing is not a novel. It's a novelette-length Fan-Fiction.

I'm kinda against the idea. This is why:

Different stories are displayed in different ways to make them effective. In this case, the story of Year Zero was displayed through the use of music and, of course, the web-game. Year Zero is effective because it is up to the person following the story to discover the fictional universe, implimented with visual and musical inputs. A Fan-Fiction would not expand on this universe and continue with discoveries. It would simply re-iterate what has been discovered before, or undermine the story by inputting new ideas. It would catalogue the events of Year Zero and take away the artistic medium already chosen, restricting it.

Also, it is my opinion that it is Trent's story to tell. Not ours.

 

12/18/08 5:35 AM

What you say is interesting, Sovereign. I understand your opinions and you can think what you like about it. At least you gave a detailed reason for the points that you posed here, which is unlike what I've seen a lot of other people do elsewhere - posting random hate comments without any reasons for their views and not showing a hint of constructive criticism. Anyway, good for you for doing that.
Yes, your statement is true. But the way I see it, you have misinterpreted a few of my points that I posted earlier on. I'm guessing you read the post I made on the 9th December?
They were only part of the concept of my school project, and I did say I would drastically lengthen it if I were to re-write it.
I also stated that I made my own interpretations of the songs based on the lyrics and fitted them into the Year Zero world. Yes I did use some characters, objects and events from the ARG, but the story in the project is from my own imagination, laced into the information I collected regarding the world of Year Zero.
Anyway, you made a good reason, and I'm not trying to get you to change your opinions. Again, think what you will about it, and I thank you for expressing your thoughts and ideas about one of my future goals.

 

12/18/08 4:10 PM

Sovereign, I appreciate your input. It gave me new light to the idea.

Firstly, I think the idea is still awesome. But, as Sovereign has pointed out, it would backtrack. But IN THAT I think fans will find delight. Let me make my point.

I never even knew that there was an ARG until a few months ago. It's like 2 years old! So what about everybody who is just getting into NIN's music, and has no idea either. Most of them aren't going to dig up 'ARG' online, let alone search for threads that talk about it on nin.com. So if there WAS a novel for YZ, anyone who was more than slightly interested would consider reading it. And the perfect Novel, I think, would be one that didn't go over things we've already discovered, as Soverign pointed out, but maybe touched on those things. Some things you can detail more than others, but not overdoing it, make them present. Then once you use that basis, build the new parts of your own, make the rest of the book with whatever way, and expand on the YZ universe how YOU, the AUTHOR, see fit. After all, it's fiction. And yeah, it's Trent's story to tell, but if you're expanding on the universe and writing your own story, it's not infringing.

Go to Barnes & Noble. There are hundreds of 'copy' books, books that talk about the same story or subject, most written by different authors. It doesn't mean you are trying to tell people "THIS IS YEAR ZERO"... rather, 'this is my take of what YZ is'.

So, in my opinion, do it right. But also --- go for it.

 

12/21/08 11:15 AM

I'd always thought, were YZ to be made into prose, that an anthology would be more in order, perhaps tapping 16 known authors of speculative fiction, one for each of the stories. Trent said somewhere that each song was told from a different character's perspective.

Were I heading up the editing of such a project, I'd try to get Robert J. Sawyer, Neal Stephenson, William Gibson, China Mieville, and (maybe) Neil Gaiman (whose style I really like, but I wonder if he'd be right for YZ). I read a story by David Gerrold a while back in F&SF that makes me think he'd be perfect for "god given".

All that being said, I'm still interested in TheGreatSchism's work, and maybe a community of YZ fanfic could arise with a concomitant body of work. That'd be sweet!

As an aside, wouldn't it be great to get hold of the Year Zero "bible" that Trent and Rob developed (and must have subsequently gave to 42 Entertainment for development of the ARG)? I know I'd like to have it.

 

12/21/08 12:30 PM

there is a bible, called exhibit 24


exhibit 24
part of the arg and sums it all up nice and neat.

then there is nin wiki
http://www.ninwiki.com/Timeline_of_Year_Zero_Discovery

 

12/22/08 5:43 AM

Write it like Joyce wrote Dubliners. A collection of short stories giving the readers a window into the life of Year Zero's inhabitants...

 

12/29/08 6:47 AM

As much is the idea of a year zero novel excites me (and it does!), i'm concerned about the wideness or narrowness of your idea. potentially, you could EASILY write a zero year novel without mentioning the angry sniper simply because I'm sure that's one event among many. the biggest problem, i think, is that we have no idea how close or the events mentioned in the ARG (Angry Sniper, the gassing of the club, etc) happened. we know how long in between we discovered, and MAYBE that could correlate to when they happened, but personally i wouldn't buy that.

the other question is, if you're writing this in novel form (not an anthology collection) you need to build up a main character and cast. on one hand, i think it would be unfair to use any specific character from the ARG sites because they all play their small parts (although i think the graffiti-ing son in the Good Soldier probably has the best chance for it, or the girl who steals the flash drive and is chased) but on the other hand, i think building another character - the main character - isn't fair to all of the people because you'd be making big and important that isn't something in the album.

if you want to build a novel, something like twenty to fifty thousand words (though 20k is really more a long short story), i think you'd need to deviate, and make up a whole lot of stuff. essentially, i think it would be a "based on the Year Zero concept album" but definitely not "the year zero novel." I think, if you wanted to stay wholly loyal to the album, you'd need to do it in anthology.

 

12/29/08 3:41 PM

a year zero novel would be awesome.

 

12/29/08 8:42 PM

TheGreatSchizm posted:
http://s381.photobucket.com/albums/oo251/Morpheus616/?action=view&current=Untitled-1_copy.jpg

Got my picture uploaded. The front cover on the project.
Cool ey?

Nice. I like how you used art from (or evocative of) the websites and album art. I'm not digging the air flag though... somehow it doesn't look as clean as the rest of the digital art. Not as crisp? I guess that may be the point though.... Are you going to be able to use the air flag? Would be neat if if was somehow hidden in the design of the cover - resistance sneaking into chaos. Almost like a watermark or subliminal message.
Just thoughts.
*VC*

 

12/29/08 9:43 PM

The creative concept belongs to Trent. You should really run this by him first. Since he has already pitched a T.V. series to HBO, he might already have something like this in the works.

 

12/31/08 2:02 AM

i think you should go for it



*suggestion*

Maybe we could all pitch in? like people interested would submit a short preview of what they wrote then we would vote which submission was the best. like this

so for chapter one you would post a theme to follow then have people write a chapter then we would vote for the best submission and then the winner extends it into far more detail for a great chapter. we do this until however many chapters you'd like

i personally think it would make it go by faster.


i could make up a quick set of rules if you go with this

 

12/31/08 2:45 AM

TheGreatSchizm posted:
Hi Everyone

I had the idea of novellizing Year Zero for an imaginative school project last year, and everyone seemed to like it.
It wasn't very long - it was only a project. But all my mates said to me I should take it 1 step further and write a full-length novel about it. I said might do, but I wouldn't start it until at least the 2nd half of next year, as I have other more important things to do.
But before I even think about it, I said I'd need some support from the fans who like the idea. Anyone?
If it eventually goes forth, it'll be a long-term goal that I'll probably spend a very long time on, but I promise to get it done.
So who thinks I go for it?
Cheers

Go for it.
As an aspiring novelist I found some of my best ideas arise from musical imagery and concepts so I think a novel of Year Zero would be great. After all it's not just a concept album but one which tells a unifying story. (verging sometimes on an album like Pink Floyd's The Wall)

 
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