TLWxx posted:

You know, if you start to listening to the albums in a row, they almost feel like they could be a continuation from each other. This is mostly a side effect of how Trent writes - he follows the same themes and motives, and arc words that are important to certain stories can be seen filled throughout later stories that have nothing to do with each other, thus creating sort of a (possibly) false bond. Sure, it's an Epileptic Tree on the verge of fanfiction, but that's how I've always seen the albums. Plus, there's the whole theory of the "Death of the Author" (boils down to that once a work is completed, what the Author thinks it means is no more important than what anyone else thinks it means - essentially art is subjective on a grand scale).

(Also, if you really must know, my personal idea is how each album focuses on a single man's [the protagonist of TDS] life, with TDS being the most general, and the other albums focusing on different parts of his life [and death]. Stops at With Teeth, which integrates him into the YZ world. YZ does the same as TDS, only projected onto the society he lives in, with all albums afterward preforming the same zoom function. But, don't just take my interpritation - come up with your own, it's fun!)

They all tell the story of Trent's life IMO.

Im getting more an more anoyed by people who want him to return to a previous style, for fucks sake he's still evolving as an artist...

he should do any accapella record or a Jazz/Swing but with synthsizers!!!!!!!!!!

Averus_32 posted:

Im getting more an more anoyed by people who want him to return to a previous style, for fucks sake he's still evolving as an artist...

I couldn't agree anymore. I think Ghosts and the Slip show a completely different sound than YZ.

RhettButler posted:

One of the things that made YZ so great and powerful is that is came out during the Bush administration. Now that things seem slightly more optimistic and the society portrayed in YZ seems less possible with the ousting of the GOP from the White House, a follow-up with the same theme might not seem as powerful--although I'm sure Trent would make it fit the times.

I'm not American, and I'm not in a rival nation of Bush-era America, so I didn't really care about Bush all that much. Year Zero had an impact on me for two reasons:
1. It was a brilliant story, one that I felt was very interesting, thought provoking and cool.
2. The music was OUTSTANDING. Sorry, I've got a thing for well used electronic music. And Trent is a master at it's use, this is shown very well in YZ. In my opinion, this is Trent's musical masterpiece. *awaits flames from rabid TDS/Fragile fanboys*

EDIT: Not taking anything away from TDS or The Fragile, I fucking love those albums. I just personally feel that Trent did a better job on Year Zero.



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eaton86 posted:

Coma79 posted:

trevar posted:

Yeah coma79 I second that motion! I real return to that 90s sound NIN had before without all the self loathing.

Hell yeah, and I never said it, but there was a thread...and people ACTUALLY agreeing with it which got me, saying trents voice was going down hill. But hey if he does year zero part 2 I say scream his lungs out and let the rawness show.

I was actually thinking the same thing. I had just bought The Slip, and was going through all of my NIN's albums. I really enjoyed their 90's music. Pretty Hate Machine, Broken, and The Downward Spiral were all great albums. The newer ones are great too. I like We're In This Together Now, and The Great Destroyer.

It's called We're In This Together, and it's from the 90s. Not a new song.

I think there's still room for growth within the Year Zero story, but personally I feel that the ship has already sailed. Another album could be done, but I doubt it would have quite the impact the the first had. Granted, we still face the same problems with war, pollution, and the general destruction of mankind being imminent, but another YZ album, even with a continuing ARG, would probably be kind of boring. I could be wrong though. Personally, I'd like to see TR get back to the more industrial days of TDS or Broken. It's been a while since TR put out anything big and scary and loud.

I would say... Yes and No to a continuation on Year Zero.

I would love to see Year Zero continued in a way, but what would happen, goodness knows. I like it where it stoped and if it branched off into rediculousness I'd be pissed. But MOSTDEFINITELY it won't go too far. I never really liked endings that leave so much hanging, but it's better than over elaborating and killing all the mystery of it.

But I would LOVE to see the Year Zero series I have heard being thought of. THAT would be awesome! This would make an EPICFUCKINGAWESOME piece of cinema/film/theatre, whatever and I would possibly kill or take over a small country to be a part of it. (Doubt I could get the chance, but again, I would attempt to in some way or form.)

But, in the long run... Yeah, I agree. Year Zero, remain Year Zero. Whatever will be will be. But if it all ends and we're still all dead... Well, we saw it coming.

If all you can do is "dis" Trent and his work on this "forum" why are you here dudes??!! a lot of negative vibes....we're in this together...ive been a NIN Lad since they broke through on the other side of the pond back in '89 ,and as a young man i was as angry as the early stuff and grew up with the albums and eps that were released in the UK. NIN were a constant beat throughout my twenties , and thirties and as i approach the next decade i know that everything that trent has written and sang since then has been to me as important and as present as the world politic could be.Trent,ive been there since SIN and still here man....Slante Mhar!! (good Health)

TLWxx posted:

You know, if you start to listening to the albums in a row, they almost feel like they could be a continuation from each other. This is mostly a side effect of how Trent writes - he follows the same themes and motives, and arc words that are important to certain stories can be seen filled throughout later stories that have nothing to do with each other, thus creating sort of a (possibly) false bond. Sure, it's an Epileptic Tree on the verge of fanfiction, but that's how I've always seen the albums. Plus, there's the whole theory of the "Death of the Author" (boils down to that once a work is completed, what the Author thinks it means is no more important than what anyone else thinks it means - essentially art is subjective on a grand scale).

(Also, if you really must know, my personal idea is how each album focuses on a single man's [the protagonist of TDS] life, with TDS being the most general, and the other albums focusing on different parts of his life [and death]. Stops at With Teeth, which integrates him into the YZ world. YZ does the same as TDS, only projected onto the society he lives in, with all albums afterward preforming the same zoom function. But, don't just take my interpritation - come up with your own, it's fun!)

Wasn't that the whole point of him creating a numbering system for each album? They all become a set.

YZ is a work in progress, always has been, (IMO), Just as we are!!! Phenomenal!!!

botleysmith posted:

If there ever is a follow-up album in the Year Zero world, it will sound nothing like the first LP (which was recorded on a laptop during the With Teeth tour: no more tours = no more laptop recording).

That is one of my biggest faults with Year Zero. The sound of the album could only be described as manufactured. Perhaps that sound fits with the concept of the record, but at times it feels boring and drawn-out.

I'm obviously not Reznor and I don't want to aspire to be anyone's producer, but if I stepped into Reznor's shoes and felt the need to continue Year Zero, I'd set the time line after the government in the first album has been destroyed and explain that process through flashbacks placed strategically within certain songs. I'd also make the sound of the album have an organic, deconstructed or decaying feel juxtaposed against brief sections that recall the harsh, manufactured sound of the first album.

To describe that sound in an image, think of the Terminator with half of his face blown off.



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Year Zero.
In my opinion, the alternate reality game is what makes this album exceptional. On that note, I believe that that part of this storyline has been left unexplored. If anything would be created, then it should really be something or the ARG sorts. But more mainstream, like a TV series. Maybe Trent could try movie making, but otherwise the story is what matters. And that can be scripted and directed and acted by other people. And I see it if another album would be on the theme of YZ, then it would go with the TV series. It shouldn't cover the main themes of YZ but rather branch off into the characters or themes of YZ...
But on the most important part, it should be something TR sees works best, if he figures that he wont resume YZ, then I guess he shouldn't.
And of course, "Year Zero is alive". With or without TR-s creation. It is all around us, many things could still lead up to an end of the world or as we know it. Even parepin will exist someday soon if it doesn't already (google "brain eating vaccine".

Peace out, and resist the weak(controlcrazy).

Nah. I want it all.

TV

MUSIC

ARG.

in that order.

so i dont feel he should copy his old feel in music mainly because what i looke for in trents work is usually a new uniqueness to his new albums.. his music has changed so much within each album that if he went back to a certain sound it would make the album not as interesting making me not play it as much as i did the other albums (for example, after year zero came out "with teeth" to me was still going strong on my ipod just because of how different he made it sound) and i feel like he should keep suprising us with his new ideas for music. also for example, his new project, "how to destroy angels" was like the best thing he couldve done! he showed he can do so much just by the new ep. so overall i feel if he does a year zero 2, let him decide on how he wants to portray it. i honestly hope he will try something completely new like he always does (and im assuming he will) but if he goes back to his other common sounds, ill appreciate it either way.