Never really thought of The Slip sounding like TDS. The Slip is much more earthy, organic, and the tone much less aggressive--it's rather a positive album in fact.

As for your second paragraph, you might be over analyzing it a little.



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i wouldnt say aggressive but definitely as dark as TDS.

I don't see it as being more positive. 1,000,000, Corona Radiata, Letting You, Demon Seed.... Those are all pretty damn dark, down there with like Mr. Self Destruct and MotP.

I think the lyrics to Demon Seed, upon reading and analyzing them, and knowing who wrote them, can give a different perspective. There is something wrong. That's a given, and I agree with the previous two posts in that regard -- the difference being, however (comparing this album with TDS and The Fragile), he's not giving up. He's not giving in to "what is wrong with the world".

I agree with BenAkenobi. The Slip; for me, starts off with uncontrollable urges that become encased and buried inside (Echoplex). However, the facade starts to crumble and the urges/impulses start to rise again. This could lead into the TDS.

I find Lights in the Sky to be more of a realization of staying true to yourself; not denying what you are. The reference to staying in the dark, because the lights are leaving him and his true nature behind.

not as long and epic, with the most retard filler song, i love it, but is nothing compared to tds, i do ennjoy the fact that s;ip had more of a band, organic feel to it and every song were catchy amazingly catchy, head down is the only one that is kinda tds-ish. i think demon seed was an epic fail. huge



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RodrigoD posted:

I think the lyrics to Demon Seed, upon reading and analyzing them, and knowing who wrote them, can give a different perspective. There is something wrong. That's a given, and I agree with the previous two posts in that regard -- the difference being, however (comparing this album with TDS and The Fragile), he's not giving up. He's not giving in to "what is wrong with the world".

In terms of that I found Demon Seed to be majorly positive. Like he's realised what's wrong with the world but he can handle it now. He know's what it's all about and is glad. He knows it's weakness and knows he will never be fooled again. It can no longer beat him because he's figured it all out. That's the way I always saw it.

As for the claim that there hasn't been a violent beginning to an album since fragile. I disagree. I always thought Hyperpower was intensely violent.

I was listening to both the albums repeatedly over the past few weeks (being my two favorite NIN albums, TDS and TS respectively) and I continue to notice connections.

Besides the lyrical similarities (1,000,000 and Hurt, i.e.) and reoccurring themes (suicide, anger, suppression of anger, anger releasing again), I think I see character narratives. In the later half of the album, the character seems to develop a sort of insanity. This at first becomes prominent in Head Down, but develops all the way to Demon Seed. I think there is a possibility that in Head Down, the voice that criticizes him (Hey you! What you looking at?) repeatedly might in fact be a split of himself, and I feel that TFOUAD and Demon Seed share this sort of connection; possibly a split personality syndrome.

From this point, I started to think of a "voice inside the head" and I thought about Mr. Self-Destruct right away. Then it hit me: The Slip might be a prequel to The Downward Spiral, with its similar themes and ideas, it might be character progression. It only makes sense for Hurt to end with the whole "start again, 1,000,000 miles away" thing, as 1,000,000 opened The Slip that way; possibly a character realizing he could "keep himself" and that if he had simply "found a way", the entire scenario of his downward spiral could have been avoided.

That's what got me thinking of posting this.

I also thought that maybe Demon Seed could have been a sign of a possible offspring, who might play the narrator of TDS, or it could just be the same guy, who has simply snapped in TDS.


However you look at it, just remember the title sequence as well: The Slip -> The Downward Spiral.... Makes sense, doesn't it?



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i think THE SLIP portraits an angry but sober trent reznor, which i like.



with teeth and the slip are good albums all around.

i disagree.

trent took a lot of time to produce his previous albums. if you compare them with TS it obviously the latter sounds rushed. TS took the time a normal rock band take to produce an album. TS it's just trent playing his stuff and -hopefully- having fun.

I see no comparison with The Slip and The Downward Spiral. 2008 & 1994

its not related to tds, the lyrics link back from year zero:

we let you get away
put the gun in my mouth, close my eyes, blow my fucking brains, all the pretty patterns
the lights in the sky could be a variation of the presence

I was actually thinking about this myself a few days ago. Also, what if The Fragile is also involved? Like, a fragile person loses everything (The Fragile), loses faith in the world and gets disconnected (The Slip), and finally loses it completely, ending with his suicide (The Downward Spiral).
If you look at the whole thing as a trilogy of sorts, it's like a huge spiral into darkness. There are plenty of details to be figured out, like if letting you is really in any way related to YZ, but i think this could be an amazing find! Even the names seem to work together. The Fragile> The Slip> The Downward Spiral.

I really don't see The Slip being related to any album, but when I stop to think about it, it'd be like some weird fusion of Ghosts and Year Zero.

I dunno.

I don't think it relates to TDS in any manner, though. Cool point of view though.