For those of us who bought the vinyl

For those of us who bought the vinyl

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10/20/09 4:00 AM
without_the_underscore member new consequence machine Joined: 11/28/07 Location: NG1 UK Posts: 350	Because of the brickwalling (which has been discussed at length on the nin forums) i was wondering if one of you fine folk would be gracious enough to post a vinyl rip of the album. I would buy it on vinyl but i have no way of listening to it and i definatley cannot rip it, i would like to hear how the slip sounds with something of a fuller dynamic range.
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11/16/09 11:21 AM
Bornnover member Joined: 12/05/08 Location: Czech Republic Posts: 25	Hi, I have a question. I have my vinyl release over three quarters of the year and right now i have recognized that there's some text on the surface around the center paper (you know, that place where is playlist) and it says: 11362-Halo 27V-(some unrecognizable text - probably something like this 11A1)- 5-66249 and piece of handwriting (two letters). What piece of error is this? I supposed that the vinyl should not be numbered.
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11/16/09 5:40 PM
Trepkos member prk77 Joined: 08/21/08 Location: East Texas Posts: 76	cryosin posted: Vinyl sounds better than the CD, but thats only when you have $4,000 + worth of equipment. How is it possible for vinyl to ever sound better than cd when 99.9% of vinyl are sourced from a cd copy when manufactured. Bornnover posted: Hi, I have a question. I have my vinyl release over three quarters of the year and right now i have recognized that there's some text on the surface around the center paper (you know, that place where is playlist) and it says: 11362-Halo 27V-(some unrecognizable text - probably something like this 11A1)- 5-66249 and piece of handwriting (two letters). What piece of error is this? I supposed that the vinyl should not be numbered. thats normal for vinyl. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/16/2009 05:43PM by Trepkos.
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11/16/09 9:22 PM
seasonsinthesky member deluxe audio nerd Joined: 11/27/07 Location: the wide open killingfiel Posts: 778	Trepkos posted: cryosin posted: Vinyl sounds better than the CD, but thats only when you have $4,000 + worth of equipment. How is it possible for vinyl to ever sound better than cd when 99.9% of vinyl are sourced from a cd copy when manufactured. superior mastering. more dynamic, no brickwalling, transients breathe much more. however, you can achieve this without the crackling by downmixing the multitracks and running a good EQ on the resulting stereo files (but usually that's not an option, so music breathes better on vinyl).
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11/24/09 2:55 AM
cryosin member Joined: 09/06/08 Location: California Posts: 203	Trepkos posted: cryosin posted: Vinyl sounds better than the CD, but thats only when you have $4,000 + worth of equipment. How is it possible for vinyl to ever sound better than cd when 99.9% of vinyl are sourced from a cd copy when manufactured. Bornnover posted: Hi, I have a question. I have my vinyl release over three quarters of the year and right now i have recognized that there's some text on the surface around the center paper (you know, that place where is playlist) and it says: 11362-Halo 27V-(some unrecognizable text - probably something like this 11A1)- 5-66249 and piece of handwriting (two letters). What piece of error is this? I supposed that the vinyl should not be numbered. thats normal for vinyl. CD's are a compressed format. Vinyl is basically just a magnetic recording of all the sounds of the track so its basically identical to the studio master. As for the CD-To-Vinyl rips... well any artist that does that is basically scamming you. That shoud not be how a vinyl is made.
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03/24/10 5:04 AM
pollyDAKTOL member unimaginative starfucker Joined: 05/04/09 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 75	i finally bought one today, mainly because it just happened to be in the store. nice impulse buy i say anyway, i couldnt help it and opened it. and i noticed in the middle of the record it says: (number) Halo 27 something something... i was wondering if anyone elses has this on it?
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03/24/10 9:00 AM
voices1 member I wont let you fall apart Joined: 11/14/08 Location: hamilton ontario Posts: 274	I got to buy another copy of The Slip,the copy I got Corona repeats its self about 3 minutes in.I don't know if its fixable.
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03/27/10 7:01 PM
pollyDAKTOL member unimaginative starfucker Joined: 05/04/09 Location: Melbourne Australia Posts: 75	Bornnover posted: Hi, I have a question. I have my vinyl release over three quarters of the year and right now i have recognized that there's some text on the surface around the center paper (you know, that place where is playlist) and it says: 11362-Halo 27V-(some unrecognizable text - probably something like this 11A1)- 5-66249 and piece of handwriting (two letters). What piece of error is this? I supposed that the vinyl should not be numbered. yeah mine has the same thing, im guessing its like a serial number? batch number? not quite sure, although nice to know mine isnt the only numbered one.
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05/07/10 3:44 PM
LRF100 member ......................... Joined: 11/25/07 Location: piss off Posts: 1,140	wish I never bought it.
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05/08/10 3:11 AM
hctiwt001 member -------------- Joined: 11/30/07 Posts: 485	I've got The Slip on vinyl.. I enjoy listening to that and my other albums on vinyl.. not necessarily for any improvement in sound.. but listening to an album as a whole piece like it's meant in most cases.. The Slip, Things Falling Apart and Ghosts are all awesome to kick back and listen to as a good stereo mix.. No digital processing or sound cards to get in the way like on my computer or CD players.. no temptation to skip tracks or fast forward, just a better listening experience for me personally..
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05/08/10 10:36 PM
seasonsinthesky member deluxe audio nerd Joined: 11/27/07 Location: the wide open killingfiel Posts: 778	cryosin posted: CD's are a compressed format. Vinyl is basically just a magnetic recording of all the sounds of the track so its basically identical to the studio master. As for the CD-To-Vinyl rips... well any artist that does that is basically scamming you. That shoud not be how a vinyl is made. really needs to be said that this post is completely wrong. it works for, say, Pink Floyd records that were made in the '70s and were originally pressed on vinyl, but not for NIN. all NIN vinyl (save PHM and its singles, maybe) is sourced from the final, overcompressed CD master, and remastered from that source to vinyl. you can tell from the transients if you record one of the songs off the vinyl. agreed about the scamliness of this process, though. it's far too common and a horrible quality level to sell.
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12/19/10 5:19 AM
zinjashike member Joined: 12/19/10 Posts: 2	Greetings, I have a copy of the Slip for vinyl, but noticed something odd about it. The noise floor seems quite high compared to other vinyls I own. In fact I have to push the NIN album roughly 10 dB over any other vinyl pressing I have for the music to really be of similar volume . . . but then the noise is extremely high too showing a very low SNR. On quieter songs like Lights in the Sky the noise is pretty much unbearable and grating. Other vinyls I own don't have this problem whatsoever. I decided to DL the rip someone placed in another thread. Surely enough, the noise floor is still too high in Lights of the Sky with constant background hiss. I'm surprised no one else here is a bit agitated by this. For those of you that own the vinyl, what gear are you listening with and what vinyls do you have to compare with?
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01/30/11 9:14 AM
jamiel8668 member Joined: 07/03/09 Location: Melbourne%2C Australia Posts: 2	slipping posted: here is a great read for those who find learning what makes what: Vinyl Records I was about to do the same thing. Variables in your listening experience include (but are not limited to) the frequency range of the speakers/headphones you use, types of amplification and of course the medium you hear it on i.e. vynil/mp3/cd/etc. Vynil will always have that 'full bodied' low and low mid warmth that, well, just sounds great! Wav format (16 bit 44.1kHz) can be found on your CD copies. And this 'redbook' format is still probably the best format to date for representing audio. Mp3's however, actually have 'irrelevant' frequencies removed from them and are deemed by most who work in the music industry as an inferior format (that just happened to gain ridiculous popularity via Napster - iPods). That's it in a nutshell really. I'd elaborate but it's quite late now.
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02/06/11 6:47 PM
Seineith member Joined: 01/24/11 Posts: 5	Hey guys I don't mean to be a buzz kill but a few hours ago I listened to the vinyl a little bit and it sounded like ass. Granted I only listened to the first two songs. I'm going to listen to the entire thing right now to make a final judgment. EDIT: I also own it on cd so I'll do a comparison EDIT2: The vinyl seems to indeed sound slightly poopy. Parts are too quite, others drowned out and too many pops and crackles. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/06/2011 07:30PM by Seineith.
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02/07/11 7:14 AM
Sheepdean member Thug aim Joined: 11/27/07 Location: London Posts: 2,147	Pops and crackles are caused by your player. What's your needle made from?
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02/07/11 12:30 PM
Seineith member Joined: 01/24/11 Posts: 5	I'm pretty sure it's not the player. Pretty Hate Machine sounds amazing compared to The Slip and Kid A plays with virtually no cracks and pops. I also read some complaints about this on the Echoing The Sound forums. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/07/2011 12:30PM by Seineith.
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04/10/11 9:06 PM
mikeystatic member Joined: 12/19/10 Posts: 26	Can't figure out how else to post this on my iPhone and couldn't find another thread to post on. I noticed the slip on vinyl was on sale for 7.70 at amazon. Surprised this wasn't posted anywhere.
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04/18/11 8:47 AM
thrasherscolin member What Shadows We Are Joined: 03/05/09 Posts: 1,574	zinjashike posted: Greetings, I have a copy of the Slip for vinyl, but noticed something odd about it. The noise floor seems quite high compared to other vinyls I own. In fact I have to push the NIN album roughly 10 dB over any other vinyl pressing I have for the music to really be of similar volume . . . but then the noise is extremely high too showing a very low SNR. On quieter songs like Lights in the Sky the noise is pretty much unbearable and grating. Other vinyls I own don't have this problem whatsoever. I decided to DL the rip someone placed in another thread. Surely enough, the noise floor is still too high in Lights of the Sky with constant background hiss. I'm surprised no one else here is a bit agitated by this. For those of you that own the vinyl, what gear are you listening with and what vinyls do you have to compare with? I just recieved my copy of The Slip from Amazon and I am having the same exact problem. This is my second NIN release on vinyl (1st being THTF-Photek) and the first time I have *ever* bought a record brand new. I have played it on two different, well kept turntables now and it still has that high background hiss along with a few loud pops. Listening to Lights in the Sky and Corona Radiata is practically unbearable. I will not let this prevent me from buying future NIN vinyls but for the time being I am very disappointed. On a more positive note: the packaging is fantastic! It tops every other in my small collection of Duran Duran and obscure 80's albums.
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04/30/11 1:50 AM
zinjashike member Joined: 12/19/10 Posts: 2	Yeah, hate to do the thread revival but thrashers and Seineith are right: the vinyl sounds bad. The signal to noise ratio on The Slip is ridiculously low, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it was bad. I've thrown on a handful of other LP's, and while I get the occasional pop that's normal it's nowhere near as bad as this. Taught me an important lesson though: either deal with the loudness wars on CD or risk getting burned by a bad LP. Fun stuff :\|
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04/30/11 4:05 AM
TheManuStudio member Green pea Joined: 04/30/11 Posts: 40	el_greco posted: It amazes me in this age of technology we can't make machines to make CDs sound like vinyl, by flicking a switch that adds hiss or something, heh. That would be because machines cannot quantize Pi Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2011 04:06AM by TheManuStudio.
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04/26/13 1:54 AM
chrisdonohue member Joined: 01/31/12 Location: Joe Theismans prostate Posts: 193	zinjashike posted: Yeah, hate to do the thread revival but thrashers and Seineith are right: the vinyl sounds bad. The signal to noise ratio on The Slip is ridiculously low, and I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed it was bad. I've thrown on a handful of other LP's, and while I get the occasional pop that's normal it's nowhere near as bad as this. Taught me an important lesson though: either deal with the loudness wars on CD or risk getting burned by a bad LP. Fun stuff :\| Or download the high res version for free from the web site. Better than cd
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04/26/13 1:58 AM
chrisdonohue member Joined: 01/31/12 Location: Joe Theismans prostate Posts: 193	96 kHz sample rate vs 44.1 kHz for the cd
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04/28/13 3:17 PM
anew member Versions of Rilke Joined: 09/27/09 Posts: 1,566	I think that manufacturing companies, aren't always able to work at their best when there's so much world disaster.. grrr
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