the remake is all but dead in the water, but in case you're wondering what Bradley Cooper might have looked like as The Crow...

Concept Art For The Crow Reboot Revealed







more pics at [www.totalfilm.com]

For me this movie is great..

The reboot should be just left alone, the first one was classic.

^^

beachpoet posted:

maybe the coolest looking movie ever. but the black and white themes of the story are a little too simple for me now that i'm older - good vs. evil stuff, love never dies. i find it cheesey nowadays. but it's still so awesome to look at.

The themes are pretty universal and straight-forward. Perhaps the Twilight movies and things like that have made made the concept of The Crow off putting?

I've thought about the morality of the character Eric Draven/The Crow. Was he actually a "good guy"? He killed people that we would consider to be "evil," but what gave him the right to be judge, jury and executioner? What about the big shoot-out at the end? He must have killed a few dozen people. Couldn't some of them have been redeemed and rehabilitated? Even if you agree that he had the right to kill Tin Tin, Funboy, T-Bird, Skank and Top-Dollar, did he have the right to kill the dozens of others?

I still enjoy it, O'Barr must of been through rough stuff, after that happened to him, well done flick.

^^I have two copies of The Crow movie (one is a deluxe edition), and the soundtrack. Unfortunately I don't have the film score (is it still available?), or the original graphic novel (which I believe is available at Amazon).

^^Thank you for the links!! I will check those out.

Checked them out, and bought them!!! Early Christmas present to me. I bought the score and the special edition comic, wanted a poster as well, that really nice one of Eric Draven seated, but it can't be shipped to Australia for some reason. Oh well.. doesn't matter.



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Thank you, I'm sure I will. Thanks again for posting the links.

beachpoet posted:

... an interesting point you make, rhett, in my opinion. on one hand, draven kind of seems like an anti-hero - the make-up, his clothes, being a rock n roller, and also kind of playing around with the fact that he's immortal - laughing when he gets shot. so, in other words, he's kind of a cool, bad-ass hero, as opposed to a squeeky clean, super virtuous hero.
but that's all on the surface.
when you look deeper, it's all about him coming back to avenge his beloved. how old is that concept - the avenging his beloved part? in other words, he's a hero motivated by romance - like an old knight.
... so that's really what i mean by "a little too simple" or even "cheesey" for me. it's not exactly the most complex motivation, or ways of estimating things, or values. like i said, it's pretty much black and white - good over evil (saying what is good or what is evil is actually completely subjective and complex) and love never dies (what really is love?)
like i said, a visually AWESOME movie, and one that will always be very dear to me. but the whole morality underlying the story ... it's just a little - naive.

HMMM... I understood the Crow to be primarily an instrument of revenge, like a supernatural myth that cannot be stopped. The mix of the depth of their love, so brutally ended, by another force that was so maliciously intent on these expanding and self-serving crimes, created this avenging angel. That the Crow happens to do good or bad is a by-product, like a hurricane. Obviously he is not totally indiscriminate, but that is the revenge focus coming into play, and that he only has 1 day to work with. Remember he is also exploring the hurt of death and loss. His humanity comes through to a point as he does that (as far as an undead creature can), and reveals not only important lessons, but also a kind of enraging PTSD that translates directly into the strength of his revenge.

I also think his look comes from that he is back from the dead, not that he thinks it looks cool. And a lot of living rockers like to try to look all cool and mysterious or tough, but The Crow is the real deal. You're correct in that he doesn't come off like Superman or something, but he's really not supposed to because he's not a super-hero at all. That relates into the whole good or evil discussion, and why love is an integral part of his nature, not just a nice by-product for some mere mortal. He's not judging all criminals or saying they couldn't be reformed, or condoning the death penalty. He is righting what he sees as wrong directly with those who were the players at that time, and it is a fantasy. That simple justice doesn't happen in "the really real world"; It's just pure, unadulterated revenge, and I think the author was the 1st to admit that. The Crow's not a religious zealot, he's not the law, he's not an activist concerned with injustice everywhere--just his personal story, and that is an essential difference. He judges and executes those specific characters involved, sure, but he knows he is not God. That conversation is for the victims across the board, including himself, to have later (if there is a God). Love is oversimplified and cliche in movies, but it is also real. It loses something by trying to be more complex, or having a more holistic balance of histories and perspectives, I think. It just is, and for the purposes of The Crow, that is enough. I don't need more than that myself for this myth, maybe that makes me too simple, I'm not sure. It could be I am in the minority here because "Love Is Not Enough" heh heh.

As an illustrator myself, I can appreciate O'Barr's comments above in the new edition. He really does pour all his grief and rage and sadness into that ink onto real paper, it's a work that would not be conveyed in the same fashion into pixels. It's like a diary vs a blog. I really appreciate that people like this are still around.

RhettButler posted:

As far as I'm concerned The Crow cannon consists of:

The Crow film (1994)
The Crow film score
The Crow soundtrack
The Crow comic by James O'Barr

And that's it.

100% Agreed.

The Crow is on television right now!!!!! I just changed channel and saw the part where Tin Tin is trying to sell rings to the pawnbroker, and then the scene where Eric is jumping over the tops of the buildings and "Dead Souls" is playing.

I just saw the scene with the tombstone snow globe and the girl's eyes are about to be cut out. That snow globe certainly is impressive and I would like to see a photo of RhettButler's tattoo of it some time.



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RhettButler posted:

Joan Cootes posted:

The Crow is on television right now!!!!! I just changed channel and saw the part where Tin Tin is trying to sell rings to the pawnbroker, and then the scene where Eric is jumping over the tops of the buildings and "Dead Souls" is playing.

I just saw the scene with the tombstone snow globe and the girl's eyes are about to be cut out. That snow globe certainly is impressive and I would like to see a photo of RhettButler's tattoo of it some time.

I'llhave to post it sometime, it came out really cool.

Excellent!!!!

Wow!
Nice.

Thanks,

It was based from this:


My tattoo looks sharper than the way it looks in the picture.



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RhettButler posted:

Thanks,

It was based from this:


My tattoo looks sharper than the way it looks in the picture.

You're very welcome. I knew what it was based on because you've mentioned it before.