Naturelle posted:

For me it's
- Sideways [I just didn't find it funny or interesting ..I don't even know what it was supposed to be...a comedy? a romance? ]
- Brokeback Mountain

brokeback mountain wasn't overrated, the acting was really good especially the last scene.

gaaira posted:

Pulp Fiction was weak and pretentious

See that right there basically made you lose all credibility. Anyone who can't enjoy pulp fiction shouldn't even bother with movies. A lot of work goes into directing and screen writing, it takes a big enough effort just to make a movie not suck. I'd say that pulp fiction was DAMN GOOD especially for someone who has only made one previous film and HAS NEVER ATTENDED ANY SORT OF FILM SCHOOL.

grandcommunist posted:

Nobody mentioned the Spider-Man live action films?

I hated all three of them, and yet the first two of these were some of the highest grossing movies of all time and were also praised by several critics.

All the Spiderman movies sucked!!!!!

Coma79 posted:

gaaira posted:

Pulp Fiction was weak and pretentious

See that right there basically made you lose all credibility. Anyone who can't enjoy pulp fiction shouldn't even bother with movies. A lot of work goes into directing and screen writing, it takes a big enough effort just to make a movie not suck. I'd say that pulp fiction was DAMN GOOD especially for someone who has only made one previous film and HAS NEVER ATTENDED ANY SORT OF FILM SCHOOL.

look someone's schooling or experience is their problem, im gonna judge the movie from whats in the movie alone.

im not saying i didn't enjoy pulp fiction, it was good fun but not much more

i think there was a need in the 90s for a new "unconventional", original, film making genious that the then younger generation would claim as their own and people filled that need with q tarantino

watching his films now, with a sober eye, there is a clearly a decline with every single film he made since his first and that makes me think it was some kind of a fluke and that that he is overrated as a director altogether



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DaveG posted:

Sushi_Overdose! posted:

How many oversized ego on this topic ?

Wow I know. I'm curious as to what movies you guys do enjoy.

My point is, movies aren't made to be rated, right ? Like any other art forms in fact. So okay, movies got a rating on imdb, rottentomatoes, screenrush, ... And most of the time, it's really helpful to find other movies that you might enjoy.
Movies like Casablanca, One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest or Taxi Driver [...] have amazing reviews, so if you don't enjoy it, does it mean that everyone is wrong about it ?
I don't think so.

I'm not really into Slumdog Millionaire. Alright, he got many academy awards, many people love it but I won't argue about his success. Sure I'd like to talk about what I dislike and what I like about it but I will never throw it's name on a topic with no explanations like it was a piece of shit.

Sushi_Overdose! posted:

DaveG posted:

Sushi_Overdose! posted:

How many oversized ego on this topic ?

Wow I know. I'm curious as to what movies you guys do enjoy.

My point is, movies aren't made to be rated, right ? Like any other art forms in fact. So okay, movies got a rating on imdb, rottentomatoes, screenrush, ... And most of the time, it's really helpful to find other movies that you might enjoy.
Movies like Casablanca, One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest or Taxi Driver [...] have amazing reviews, so if you don't enjoy it, does it mean that everyone is wrong about it ?
I don't think so.

I'm not really into Slumdog Millionaire. Alright, he got many academy awards, many people love it but I won't argue about his success. Sure I'd like to talk about what I dislike and what I like about it but I will never throw it's name on a topic with no explanations like it was a piece of shit.

Actually I enjoy 70's movies such as Taxi Driver and One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest they don't seem to be as over the top as movies today. They also don't seem to try too hard to have every scene action packed, they allow drama to build something that is missed a lot with today's films. Today every film must be action packed in every scene because today's audiences are dumbed down, and have short attention spans.

Movie nowadays are only entertainment for the eye. People just want the screen filled with explosions, violence and sex.

overrated movie of the week, johny depp and the barber of flint street and sweeny todd or some shit

when you lose wife and child its not the time to BE FUCKING SINGING AND DANCING

Coma79 posted:

..I realize schooling you would be a waste of time

dude im like heart broken

Sushi_Overdose! posted:

I took a girl to the theater to see The Prestige... The first thing she said was : "I didn't understand a damn thing, this movie was shit."

that's a real bummer in so many ways

Coma79 posted:

Well everyones entitled to their opinion. And now that I've seen yours I realize schooling you would be a waste of time. Again, you shouldn't bother with movies altogether.

Art is subjective. It's one thing to get involved in a discussion about why you do or don't like a film knowing that everybody has their own subjective standards, but it's another to be a douche about it and tell somebody they shouldn't bother with movies.

The funniest part is that of ALL movies you've chosen as some golden standard, you chose Pulp Fiction which is essentially just aggrandized trash (it's even in the title); in fact, all Tarantino does is put lipstick on pigs whether it be a kung-fu film, a b-horror film, black exploitation or a heist film. We're not talking about "high art" here and if anything, you putting it on a pedestal is indicative of your lack of experience with cinema beyond blockbuster video and bad top 20 lists on the internet espousing the merits of films like Fight Club, Donnie Darko, Requiem for a Dream and Memento.

If you're going to be condescending, at least choose the appropriate materal with which to do so.



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Whiskers posted:

Actually, Requiem For A Dream and Memento were pretty bad

Bad as in bad or bad as in good?

In case you were confused about it (or maybe I'm just the one confused here), that last short list I made was supposed to be films that I thought were a combination of bad, overrated and the furtherst the average person tends to explore as far as cinema goes.

So if we used a music analogy, they would be the equivalent of:
"Pssshh... I don't listen to simple mainstream stuff like Britney and Green Day... I listen to White Stripes and MCR"

Sushi_Overdose! posted:

There's a big contradiction with your two paragraphs.
I love Pulp Fiction, Fight Club, Donnie Darko and Memento, so according to you, my experience with cinema is poor?

No, I don't care if you like them. I was talking about how a person that considers Pulp Fiction to be some kind of gold standard probably has a limited perspective that includes mainstream film and films just beyond that scope.

Sushi_Overdose! posted:

Where's the subjectivity? Gone?

It's still there, you just misinterpretted what I said. Again, I'm not telling anybody here that they have no business with film which was my major annoyance. Not only is it rude, but it's ridiculous and irrational.

Sushi_Overdose! posted:

Come on, and you are talking about being condescending?

Yes, towards the end of that comment I was talking about elitists and how funny it was that there are elitists using Pulp Fiction as a standard. Not because I think PF is a bad film (although I do), but because it doesn't really meet the general criteria of what an elitist typically demands (extensive themes, subversion etc.).

BTW Why did the ADMINS/MODS make it so I can't type the word elitist without some ridiculous workaround?

Sushi_Overdose! posted:

You must suffer from bipolar disorder or you were joking.

I think your point would have been better demonstrated with a schizophrenic-related disorder than bi-polarism; the latter isn't known for rapidly contradicting opinions. Either way, I don't have any of those problems.



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I think Requiem for a Dream (Uncensored) is the best anti-drug propaganda out there. I nearly puked after watching that.

I fell asleep in the middle of watching Fight Club when I first saw it. For one reason or another it didn't really interest me too much.

I still have yet to see Donnie Darko, Memento, or the entirety of Pulp Fiction.

VigilX posted:

Coma79 posted:

Well everyones entitled to their opinion. And now that I've seen yours I realize schooling you would be a waste of time. Again, you shouldn't bother with movies altogether.

Art is subjective. It's one thing to get involved in a discussion about why you do or don't like a film knowing that everybody has their own subjective standards, but it's another to be a douche about it and tell somebody they shouldn't bother with movies.

The funniest part is that of ALL movies you've chosen as some golden standard, you chose Pulp Fiction which is essentially just aggrandized trash (it's even in the title);

If you're going to be condescending, at least choose the appropriate materal with which to do so.

Anyone who can't appreciate pulp fiction, can't appreciate much. It's not a matter of putting pulp fiction on a gold pedestal, it's recognizing a talent in an industry that's not an easy one to work with...

honestly everyone thinks that people involved in making movies is born with this huge budget and opportunity to make a thousand times better flick. This is not the case, in all that is involved with movie making it takes a fuck load of talent to make things come out rosy and successful. Quentin Tarantino is one of the few directors out there making movies for the purpose to entertain rather than to just get you to spend top dollar to see it opening weekend. Which is why I don't get everyone suddenly jumping on the fuck tarantino train when he's not banking box office and producing pulp fiction 2 and arranging to remake the godfather.

Anyways that's all I got to say on that.

Sushi_Overdose! posted:

This is the word I wanted to read : probably.

You realize that I said indicative right? (which implies "probably" )

Sushi_Overdose! posted:

The fact is almost everyone on this topic is just throwing names with no arguments. It's the "almighty I" who wants to rule the internet once again...

Well that's the rub isn't it? Any arguments made come from subjective points of view. Personally, the only thing I tend to argue about in film is how deep/intelligent a film is; it's not the same as arguing whether or not a film is a good one (since people are justified in liking dumb films), but at least the argument isn't entirely subjective (although you still have to establish an arbitrary line where intelligent and unintelligent begin).

Coma79 posted:

Anyone who can't appreciate pulp fiction, can't appreciate much.

Bullshit. I for one appreciate a lot. Are you a mindreader or something? If so, you should let James Randi know because you might make a million dollars with that kind of talent.

Coma79 posted:

It's not a matter of putting pulp fiction on a gold pedestal, it's recognizing a talent in an industry that's not an easy one to work with...

Again, talent is subjective.

Coma79 posted:

honestly everyone thinks that people involved in making movies is born with this huge budget and opportunity to make a thousand times better flick.

How did you come to this conclusion? I don't think that and I've even heard of this point of view before until you mentioned it let alone encountered it. I think you're making up enemies and straw men.

Coma79 posted:

This is not the case, in all that is involved with movie making it takes a fuck load of talent to make things come out rosy and successful.

Right, but "rosy and successful" are subjective. His films are neither in my opinion.

Coma79 posted:

Quentin Tarantino is one of the few directors out there making movies for the purpose to entertain rather than to just get you to spend top dollar to see it opening weekend.

Honestly, as much as you hate to think it, most directors DO want to entertain... it's the movie industry that chooses the directors that have the kind of taste that make money and create the illusion that people like Michael Bay are only in it for the money. I assure you most directors LIKE the movies they make and think that they're entertaining. Michael Bay isn't necessarily a sellout, it's the movie industry hiring people like Michael Bay to make movies that are selling out. Which brings me to your next point...

Coma79 posted:

Which is why I don't get everyone suddenly jumping on the fuck tarantino train when he's not banking box office and producing pulp fiction 2 and arranging to remake the godfather.

I don't like his filmmaking. I don't care if he's out to make a buck or not... I care about the quality of his films. If I found out that Ingmar Bergman was mostly trying to make money with his films, I really wouldn't care because they're great films. Intentions have little effect on whether or not I like a film.

VigilX posted:

Sushi_Overdose! posted:

The fact is almost everyone on this topic is just throwing names with no arguments. It's the "almighty I" who wants to rule the internet once again...

Well that's the rub isn't it? Any arguments made come from subjective points of view. Personally, the only thing I tend to argue about in film is how deep/intelligent a film is; it's not the same as arguing whether or not a film is a good one (since people are justified in liking dumb films), but at least the argument isn't entirely subjective (although you still have to establish an arbitrary line where intelligent and unintelligent begin).

Well, I think it's interesting to argue for every aspects of a movie, from the photography to the script.


And you know that Bergman wasn't looking for money. Movies, literature and music have codes that will allow you to hit a lot of people (or not).

Today, what do you need to make a best seller book ?
1- Romance / Drama the characters are in love but elements tend to seperate them. Will love win ? Or will death will take one away ? Yeah, nothing new but still trendy.
2- Teenage fantasy, see Harry Potter, see Twilight.

So, I could put my guts in a love story knowing that If I manage to write it well, my agent will sell it to an editor within a week or I could put my guts in a zombie story that will never meet success.

It's not much different with a screenplay and the final movie. When Lynch started filming Inland Empire I'm sure he knew that he wouldn't touch "everyone" like he did with Elephant Man or Wild at Heart.