Marilyn Manson Discussion Thread

Marilyn Manson Discussion Thread

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09/03/11 1:12 AM
LobotomyBaby member T H E W A R O F A R T Joined: 11/28/07 Location: Greatest of All Belows Posts: 2,988	holy fuck! Shia LaBeouf directed that video?
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09/13/11 4:20 PM
9Inch9Nails9 member Joined: 01/28/09 Location: Clearwater%2C Flordia Posts: 758	i have to get some more,, i bought the greatest hit awile ,ago,,
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10/25/11 8:45 AM
Demonseed25 member Joined: 09/10/08 Posts: 1,258	listened to a little bit marilyn manson today...didn't really get into it..I just don't see the point of music with really depressing and negative lyrics anymore...the world is too negative and depressing as it is.. I'm ashamed of myself for ever thinking this kinda music was ''worth anything''. It's total crap and bs...
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10/25/11 9:18 AM
RhettButler member Shipwrecked and Comatose Joined: 06/01/09 Location: Cardassia Prime Posts: 15,646	Demonseed25 posted: I just don't see the point of music with really depressing and negative lyrics anymore...the world is too negative and depressing as it is.. You do know that you are on a Nine Inch Nails message board...
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10/25/11 10:24 AM
Demonseed25 member Joined: 09/10/08 Posts: 1,258	^ Good point..thanks... :x But obviously, trent was just making money creating music and singing about his misery. And people became obsessed with it.It's obvioulsy good for him cause he gets money out of it. But feeding the mind on negative words/lyrics is not the least bit healthy... Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/25/2011 10:35AM by Demonseed25.
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10/29/11 7:25 PM
SalavanteK member Get out! Joined: 03/13/11 Posts: 662	I'm not really into Marilyn Manson that much any more, or even at all, but I'll always have love and appreciation for Portrait of an American Family, Smells Like Children, AntiChrist SuperStar, Mechanical Animals, The Last Tour on Earth and Holy Wood. I love those CDs, and would recommend all 6 CDs to anybody that's new to Marilyn Manson and actually listened to and liked his music for the first time. In short, everything that came out before The Golden Age of Grotesque seems like a great start to me. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/29/2011 07:28PM by SalavanteK.
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10/30/11 5:48 PM
gaaira member hollow Joined: 06/07/09 Location: The precipice of defeat Posts: 2,435	with all due respect Portrait and Smells Like Children are laughable, things got better when trent and john 5 kicked in but you have to be joking about the first two
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10/31/11 9:49 AM
RhettButler member Shipwrecked and Comatose Joined: 06/01/09 Location: Cardassia Prime Posts: 15,646	Trent produced the first two albums and the SLC EP.
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11/01/11 7:23 PM
LEONCIORULES member Joined: 01/31/11 Posts: 161	RhettButler posted: Trent produced the first two albums and the SLC EP. But POAAF had already been written and recorded with a different producer before, Manson wasn't happy with its sound and called TR to fix and improve it, and he did it, but ACSS was the first album where TR (and his whole team) was present during the whole recording sessions from day one, and you can notice a huge difference in everything since he was the main producer from the beginning. SLC was basically a bunch of remixes and a few covers, I don't actually count it as a proper album like POAFF or ACSS even if it has several gems like their first hit single. For me ACSS was the first (and sadly last) MM's record where TR worked on it like if it was one of his own albums.
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11/05/11 6:43 PM
SalavanteK member Get out! Joined: 03/13/11 Posts: 662	Agreed, and while I wasn't joking, I still understand that some people aren't so fond of Portrait of an American Family. AntiChrist SuperStar and Mechanical Animals seem to be the best and most popular albums by Marilyn Manson in the 1990s as far as I can see. And yes, Smells Like Children was just a remix album, but it certainly had its share of praise. I don't think it was considered a let-down, or that much of a let-down. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/05/2011 06:46PM by SalavanteK.
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11/08/11 12:53 PM
sessava member Joined: 11/28/07 Location: unfortunateland Posts: 25	There's nothing wrong with liking Portrait of an American Family and Smells Like Children. They're both really decent albums and they're miles beyond most of the other shit out there, especially Manson's later work. And you can feel Trent's influence on both of them, however minor that influence may be. "Sweet Dreams" is still one of the greatest covers ever made, IMO.
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11/22/11 5:11 PM
patrick_nicholas member Former New Yorker Joined: 05/06/09 Location: Blackwater Park Posts: 43,529	Chris Vrenna has left the band. [www.thegauntlet.com] The Gauntlet posted: Chris Vrenna, the Grammy-award winning musician and producer who was most recently the drummer/keyboardist for Marilyn Manson, has left the band to focus on his growing film and video game scoring, production career and DJ outings as well as work on the forthcoming 2012 Tweaker release. "I'm incredibly proud of the work I did with Manson and look forward to the release of Born Villain. I wish my brothers well but with the recording largely completed I felt it was time to return to other facets of my career which involves production work, film scoring, and future musical collaborations," explained Vrenna. Vrenna rose to prominence in the early '90s as a full-time member of Nine Inch Nails, having been a permanent member of Trent Reznor's band since Nine Inch Nails' inception and for the following eight years. His production and programming credits include the aforementioned Nine Inch Nails, Smashing Pumpkins, Marilyn Manson, Guns'n'Roses and most recently work on Evanescence's self-titled 2011 album. Vrenna is also a sought after remixer working on tracks by U2, Nelly Furtado, Rammstein, and Slipknot.
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11/23/11 4:22 AM
Gwarek_2 member Joined: 11/27/07 Location: In your anal cavity Posts: 38	Thank God. He was too talented for the band, and I can't wait for a new Tweaker album. I wish he left much earlier so he could have done the score for Alice: Madness Returns. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/23/2011 04:24AM by Gwarek_2.
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11/23/11 7:49 AM
RhettButler member Shipwrecked and Comatose Joined: 06/01/09 Location: Cardassia Prime Posts: 15,646	Looking forward to hearing the new album, although "Born Villain" sounds a bit cliche.
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12/03/11 5:37 PM
adamthemusicfan member Joined: 12/04/10 Location: London%2C United Kingdom Posts: 42	I'm looking forward to hearing the new material off Born Villain. I really liked the track that used off the new album for Manson's short film.
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12/22/11 6:04 PM
ningamer member Joined: 08/16/08 Posts: 8,046	Merry Christmas
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03/08/12 12:50 AM
without;teeth member Joined: 11/27/07 Posts: 75	Well then. Best way to bump a Manson thread, you ask? [www.youtube.com] With their new single
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03/08/12 4:14 AM
RhettButler member Shipwrecked and Comatose Joined: 06/01/09 Location: Cardassia Prime Posts: 15,646	without;teeth posted: Well then. Best way to bump a Manson thread, you ask? [www.youtube.com] With their new single Not bad, but not earth-shattering. Sounds like by-the-numbers MM. But at 6:12 am and having just woken up, I'm not really in the mood for MM right now. I'll go back and listen a little later. Still looking forward to the new album though.
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03/08/12 11:51 AM
organic_lifeform member Joined: 02/28/08 Location: Netherlands Posts: 67	RhettButler posted: without;teeth posted: Well then. Best way to bump a Manson thread, you ask? [www.youtube.com] With their new single Not bad, but not earth-shattering. Sounds like by-the-numbers MM. But at 6:12 am and having just woken up, I'm not really in the mood for MM right now. I'll go back and listen a little later. Still looking forward to the new album though. I'm also still looking forward to Born Villain, but No Reflection, to me, is kind of disappointing. It's basically the same riff over and over again (and it's not really not a very good one), the song lacks heart and the lyrics aren't great either. As a fan, I will definitely buy the record, but I expected more from the single.
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03/10/12 12:33 AM
josiegallows member Joined: 12/04/08 Location: Mexico Posts: 170	Josie Gallows was assassinated by a Scientology operative. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/16/2012 12:38PM by josiegallows.
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03/10/12 4:13 AM
organic_lifeform member Joined: 02/28/08 Location: Netherlands Posts: 67	I, for the most part, agree with your post. And yes, there's some great stuff over at the 'your music' section. But, as far as Manson's concerned: yes, nostalgia or at least love for his earlier work plays a big part in me still listening to his music. That being said, I really enjoyed THoL, TGAoG and some tracks that appeared on EMDM. And the albums have always been interesting, even when they're not that good. I listen to music for enjoyment, but also (and maybe mostly) for inspiration. That's why I'm always listening to new things. The fact that I don't always (instantly) like or get music isn't that big of a deal to me most of the time. And yes, I will buy Born Villain, like I buy all the music I listen to. Supporting musicians is important to me. I just hope Manson is still deserving of that support. I guess we will find out April 30th.
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03/10/12 5:42 AM
LobotomyBaby member T H E W A R O F A R T Joined: 11/28/07 Location: Greatest of All Belows Posts: 2,988	organic_lifeform posted: RhettButler posted: without;teeth posted: Well then. Best way to bump a Manson thread, you ask? [www.youtube.com] With their new single Not bad, but not earth-shattering. Sounds like by-the-numbers MM. But at 6:12 am and having just woken up, I'm not really in the mood for MM right now. I'll go back and listen a little later. Still looking forward to the new album though. I'm also still looking forward to Born Villain, but No Reflection, to me, is kind of disappointing. It's basically the same riff over and over again (and it's not really not a very good one), the song lacks heart and the lyrics aren't great either. As a fan, I will definitely buy the record, but I expected more from the single. yeah, this is crap. zzzzzz-fest. wake me up when he does a song with half as much life in it as anything pre-holywood.
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03/10/12 5:51 AM
RhettButler member Shipwrecked and Comatose Joined: 06/01/09 Location: Cardassia Prime Posts: 15,646	I think that the song is okay--but I'll wait until I hear the album in its' entirety. The last Manson album that I really liked was the very underrated EMDM.
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03/11/12 7:50 AM
friendlymaniac member Joined: 11/20/11 Location: Australia Posts: 10	I def believe he has fallen off the wagon, some live footage I have seen recently on youtube made me cringe as he looked fat and choking on his tongue n shit, I definately agree with a comment Trent said I think a while ago it was something similiar to the lines of "before and around the times we were close the music was great, But now hes starting to sound liked a drugged out clown" I still like most of the released stuff by Manson, Especially the Live DVDs! But lately I've pretty much not listened to Manson at all (Except Live DVDs)...Im really worrying about the new album as I believe it may be polished shit that may try to SHOCK but really is Lame....
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03/11/12 12:04 PM
SpaceSuicide member Best In The World Joined: 05/27/11 Posts: 93	He has his flaws and flops but it's always good to see the usual negativity reigning on him and his musical endeavors at every turn these days from just about everyone who has fond memories of yesteryear. Hey guys, it's not 1997 anymore. Get over it. I on the otherhand enjoy the new single and find it to be a refreshing new fire that was somewhat lit but dim on The High End of Low. No Reflection is better than 1/3rd of that album as far as I'm concerned. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/11/2012 12:06PM by SpaceSuicide.
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03/11/12 1:51 PM
Tabris member Joined: 11/27/07 Location: Edmonton%2C Alberta Posts: 789	The single was alright. Not terribly impressed by it though. It's pretty much just 'listenable' to me. I just don't find his last couple releases all that creative or interesting.
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03/11/12 2:15 PM
without;teeth member Joined: 11/27/07 Posts: 75	The single sounds like a B-Side from EMDM. Which, isn't overly good. He seems to be getting rather monotone, in his last two cds (THEOL, EMDM) and this single should be named "No Change" instead of "No Reflection." It's Ok, but nowhere near his best. Then again he hasn't put out a good single since This is the New Shit, it almost seems whoever is in charge of picking the singles should be fired (really), as the recent singles (Heart Shaped Glasses, Putting Holes in Happiness and Armageddon should have been swapped for something, well better. I would have chose Evidence, You and Me and the Devil Makes Three, and for THEOL I would have done Four Rusted Horsemen and/or 15. It just seems Manson is picking the worst possible songs to 'hype' his albums. It's why he's not overly relevant anymore. Oh, and btw, THEOL is, IMO by FAR his best album, it's just well...he picked one of the only two 'meh songs' (other being WOW), to be the single. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/11/2012 02:16PM by without;teeth.
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03/11/12 4:24 PM
gaaira member hollow Joined: 06/07/09 Location: The precipice of defeat Posts: 2,435	SpaceSuicide posted: He has his flaws and flops but it's always good to see the usual negativity reigning on him and his musical endeavors... don't try to sugar coat it, all we are saying is that there is barely a solid riff in the whole song and that "his musical endeavors" are not even really his since he cant play the damn guitar !
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03/12/12 6:15 PM
SpaceSuicide member Best In The World Joined: 05/27/11 Posts: 93	gaaira posted: SpaceSuicide posted: He has his flaws and flops but it's always good to see the usual negativity reigning on him and his musical endeavors... don't try to sugar coat it, all we are saying is that there is barely a solid riff in the whole song and that "his musical endeavors" are not even really his since he cant play the damn guitar ! Was I sugar coating it? I said outright he has had flops and flaws with his music. I personally think that No Reflection is a good song and much better than anything post Holy Wood, as will this whole album. The only thing I meant by my overtly snide remark is the usual trend of reading the same thoughts and opinions of why things aren't 'good anymore'. I'm going elsewhere with this, not just this board. I rarely visit this board. He never claimed to be a guitar virtuoso and never was. He never had any claim to fame regarding playing music for the band minus the pan flute and the ocassional keyboard bits. Guitar sprinkled here and there which I will admit isn't that impressive or groundbreaking when he does play it. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/12/2012 06:17PM by SpaceSuicide.
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03/13/12 11:56 PM
Xanthe member ************************* Joined: 09/03/08 Location: Transsexual Transylvania Posts: 15,371	I have been listening to Mechanical Animals lately and I love the fuck out of that album. I have grown to appreciate the music even if it isn't new or recent. Good shit is good shit.
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