Marilyn Manson has been one of my favourite bands for quite a while. I actually got into them before Nine Inch Nails. Over time I've gotten pretty disheartened with them (him specifically).

I wish he still had his priorities in order the way that Trent seems to.


I probably won't get my wish.


I'll be waiting for the new album with quite a bit of anticipation. I'm thrilled that Twiggy is back with him - I just hope it's not a waste of his time and talent.


Prove us wrong, Manson!

i have mixed feelings about manson after that last album. i proudly own every release up until holywood, and not so proudly everything else, although golden age wasn't TOO bad, (Spade/Paranoir are the highlights for me) although to me that album was the point where manson went from "i'm pretty clever" to "i'm trying way too hard to be clever."

As far as eat me drink me... it sucked that Twiggy left before golden age, but it sucked even more losing John 5, Pogo, and Ginger Fish, so the fact that the album was just Manson and Skold kind of puts the crappiness of it into perspective. Skold proved he can do some pretty decent guitar solos at least. Are You the Rabbit and title track are definitely the strongest successes of the album, and i think if he had made the album a true concept album to accompany his lewis caroll/alice in wonderland movie that never was, i think it would have been a success.

since then though, Chris Vrenna has joined, and Twiggy came back since Skold went on to be in Ohgr (I have a feeling that partnership will work a lot better musically). Also Ginger Fish is back in the band (at least when i saw them live last january he was); and now i've learned Wes Borland a part of the picture. Hopefully Manson will use this refreshing line up to his advantage, put "personal writing" aside in favor of a Concept, and make the greatest album since Antichrist!!! (more realistically though, Holywood, which isn't bad).



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IMO...

PORTRAIT: awesome. still one of his best albums. unique sound, set the band apart from the pack right away, it's lyrically interesting and catchy, and not afraid to go places many bands wouldn't. it also features one of my fave manson/reznor collabs too with "my monkey"

CHILDREN: a great remix album. many of the mixes on here are better than the originals, not without some very talented help i might add, and stacks up well next to reznor's or zombie's own remix releases.

ANTICHRIST: without a doubt his FRAGILE, or THE WALL. it's still amazing. technically, sonically and conceptually, it's one of the great real rock albums of the 90's.

ANIMALS: an interesting one, great new direction, lyricaly intriguing and some very cool songs, not as dark & agressive as AS, but holds its own as a competent homage to bowie's ZIGGY STARDUST, if not as focussed on the whole concept as bowie was with his.

HOLY WOOD: i feel this stands alongside AC as his 2 best albums. he returns to the AC darkness and anger at the world, brings some killer new songs to the fore, without repeating his earlier works, and proves he still has what it takes to create an amazing album.

maybe this was where he loses sight of something. from here on out he just seems to be less interesting overall.

GROTESQUE: by this point it sounded as if manson had run out of new things to say, and he was merely appearing to be a parody of his own band. much like all the now-forgotten emo bands of the last few years. the music was still sonically interesting in most places, but lyrically, it was bordering on the comical.

EAT ME: fucking horrible. truly it was. the only release that i stopped listening to halfway thru first time. upon hearing the whole thing, i was mortified. this was lame. manson seemingly jumping a little too late on the dying emo bandwagon and boring the hell out of me with every fucking song.

that stupid fucking music video with him and evan made the whole experience even more ridiculous. if this is manson in love, someone please kill his so-called actress girlfriend and give him something worth writing about again.

WE TRIED... BUT HE WOULDN'T LEAVE [upcoming 2008 album]: mixed thoughts having not heard anything yet. could be horrid, yet vrenna & twiggy could turn it all around and create something very fucking cool. if only they kick than manson guy outta the band



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Didn't care much for EMDM... until I saw Manson live on that tour. In Cleveland at the House of Blues... the most intense pit I've ever been in... my feet were not touching the ground from the time Manson got onstage to the time my boyf and I had to leave the pit because it was so intense. We were in for 6 or 7 songs... made eye contact with Manson. I was waving middle fingers during Irresponsible Hate Anthem, and midway through the song Manson looks at me and says, "Let me see all your middle fingers." I guess I stood out- I had a blond mohawk at the time. Haha. Amidst a sea of black. It was pretty cool. Jeordie looked great, it was a good time.

I think Mechanical Animals, and Holy Wood would have to be my favorite albums. I'd love to see Manson again- the House of Blues was great- very small, personal club venue.

i really trying to understand this "antichrist/mechanical/holywood" trilogy.

to me it doesn't seem like there's much of a storyline connection... seems more like he just ripped off ziggy stardust three times in a row.

I bet his concerts are pretty wicked. I don't if MM would ever or has ever come to Utah though.

edit.... double post.

um... whisky and speed?



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Bla...they should kick Brian the space cowboy out, bring back John 5 and maybe call up Trent and Danny Lohner to see how they are doing...

Whatever happened to Danny Lohner by the way?

Wow, I can't believe how hard Manson is being rocked on in a NIN forum!

Anywho, Manson is my all-time favorite artist. The triptych is probably the most touching, beautiful, and encrypted musical series I have ever experienced. Every time I listen to ACSS, MA, or HW something pops out at me that I haven't noticed before, be it music wise, or lyrical content. The triptych just blows my mind...it is such a masterpiece of a story - not to mention all of the little historical/occult references interspersed throughout it. Those albums got me through so many difficult times in my life, and keep me so entertained, that I will always respect them, and therefore I will always respect Marilyn Manson.

GAOG was excellent for me! It was so edgy and raw, yet also catchy. The (s)aint video really topped off that era for me, and the Doppelhertz short film was absolutely...enchanting.

I do believe that there is something from each of Manson's eras that sticks out, and further defines the character of Marilyn Manson. I did enjoy EMDM - I appreciated how it was Manson as himself, diary entries turned into music, if you will. It meant so much to me that Manson gave us an album so close to his personal life.

Honestly, EMDM is not my favorite album by any means. I do believe that it lacked substance compared to his earlier works (even GAOG, which was also shallow compared to earlier works), but I highly doubt that he will ever put out another album (or albums) that can compare with the triptych. I appreciate Manson's newest endeavors for what they are, and I try not to compare them to the triptych, because they are not the triptych, nor will they ever be it.

Well, there's my Manson rant.

I loves him.

Talking with a fake low voice and once in a while mentioning stuff from some Jewish cult does not make one an intellectual. I don't think that he is a complete moron but I wouldn't call him smarter than average or something...so far I haven't been impressed with his intellect (yet).

what's wrong with emdm isn't that it didn't shock people but because most people got into manson because his lyrics reached out to the neglected ones. aww </333 xD anyways, and we could relate to him and he saw from a critical perspective of our society, the celebrity and all that bullshit, introspective thought of a human and his relationship with the world he lives in. HOWEVER. the sweet sweet thing is, he goes on to make a "love" album, which emdm essentially is. Quite frankly, love albums are selfish and its just like the next pop album down the row- pop music is basically all selfish songs about love and superficial feelings. it wasn't deep, it wasn't thoughtful, it was "memememe", you stole my music and ideas, i love this hot young loli, blahblhalbah, ooh did i tell you i was reading vampire books? its shallow and and nowhere as beautiful and figurative as an album like ACSS.

and i totally believe that he's an embarrassment now- he needs to really redeem himself and pull his head out of his ass, i don't think just having twiggy would cut it.

Xcessive posted:

uhwithateetha posted:

I just watched a couple videos from the festival, and he sounded TERRIBLE, which isn't a surprise these days.

Haha, he's getting older like everyone else. And his drugs also left a mark. I always wanted to see him live, I love that new lineup but his voice is just too fucked up.

did you hear the decent quality recordings? because I was thinking the same thing until I saw them, and he actually sounded pretty good.

and eat me drink me was a great album I dont understand all the hate.



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kelbylee posted:

manson just played a private show for the managers of hot topic and their hq staff in los angeles. i was there, he was disgusting, it was as entertaining as a john waters movie.

and i fucking love john waters.

he's clearly past his prime and was so wasted it was almost embarassing, but i was happy to have experienced such an intimate show.

What else can you tell us about the show?

I still haven't listened to any of Eat Me, Drink Me...the way he talked about it leading up to it's release turned me off to it. Saying one of the songs was gonna be the new Bela Legosi's Dead...

I'll get around to listening to it one of these days, with Twiggy back hopefully the next album will get back to normal

EdwardBroadway posted:

kelbylee posted:

manson just played a private show for the managers of hot topic and their hq staff in los angeles. i was there, he was disgusting, it was as entertaining as a john waters movie.

and i fucking love john waters.

he's clearly past his prime and was so wasted it was almost embarassing, but i was happy to have experienced such an intimate show.

What else can you tell us about the show?

what do you want to know?

i posted a ton about it on the manson thread over at ets. i'm cornfed chump over there.

there are pics, too.