Marilyn Manson Discussion Thread

Marilyn Manson Discussion Thread

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03/15/12 9:20 AM
organic_lifeform member Joined: 02/28/08 Location: Netherlands Posts: 67	Good article: [www.themusicnetwork.com]
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03/15/12 11:33 AM
Demonseed25 member Joined: 09/10/08 Posts: 1,258	Update on fav MM albums: 1.HW 2.THEOL 3.ACSS 4.MA 5.EMDM 6.POAAF 7.GAOG aND, CAn AnY ONe tELL ME WhETHeR Or NOt SEEINg MANson LIvE IN COnCErT IS WOrTH It???
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03/17/12 10:08 PM
9Inch9Nails9 member Joined: 01/28/09 Location: Clearwater%2C Flordia Posts: 758	like the new song, packs a punch. and have to make a show, of course.
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03/18/12 11:28 AM
serenityangel member Joined: 06/08/09 Location: oberhausen Posts: 6,220	Manson performing with rammstein "the beautiful people" on march 22 though I´m not sure, if the stream will work for other countries as well
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03/18/12 12:00 PM
cute_annie member Devil Kitty Muse Joined: 10/01/10 Location: my ghost%5C%27s heart and Posts: 6,763	RhettButler posted: I think that the song is okay--but I'll wait until I hear the album in its' entirety. The last Manson album that I really liked was the very underrated EMDM. ^Agreed. And as regards the new single...meh. The video directed by Shia Le Beouf is good but not as good as the inspiration for it: Alejandro Jodorowsky's The Holy Mountain. What I always liked about MM is that I can learn about other artists through his music. I know some will disagree saying that music (and music quality) should come first but oh well...
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03/18/12 12:10 PM
LobotomyBaby member T H E W A R O F A R T Joined: 11/28/07 Location: Greatest of All Belows Posts: 2,988	very well said, annie manson deserves a lot of credit for bringing to light so many creative and intelligent inspirations for me growing up.
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03/20/12 4:42 PM
LobotomyBaby member T H E W A R O F A R T Joined: 11/28/07 Location: Greatest of All Belows Posts: 2,988	so manson and johnny depp will be doing a duet on a cover of 'You're So Vain' for his upcoming album. sounds good in theory anyway.
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03/22/12 11:39 AM
organic_lifeform member Joined: 02/28/08 Location: Netherlands Posts: 67	And here's the cover:
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03/22/12 12:23 PM
BattleOfNY member Joined: 05/06/08 Posts: 1,393	organic_lifeform posted: And here's the cover: Generic Manson. I lost interest in Manson after Golden Age of Grotesque. Mechanical Animals and Holy Wood are my fav albums. I dunno, I just feel like the novelty of "shock rocker" wore off. Everything after Golden Age just sounds the same to me.
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03/22/12 3:10 PM
serenityangel member Joined: 06/08/09 Location: oberhausen Posts: 6,220	born villain back cover quality over quantity or not? hmmm...
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03/22/12 4:28 PM
organic_lifeform member Joined: 02/28/08 Location: Netherlands Posts: 67	Well, as you may have read I don't think No Reflection is all that good, but I hope the other songs make up for it (I think Overneath will be amazing). And 13 songs is a decent amount, but I was hoping for at least 15. Ah well.
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03/22/12 10:49 PM
GhostNight member Joined: 11/29/09 Posts: 117	Manson hasn't been good since Holy Wood, and his vocals have been worn down since after Golden Age. Mechanical Animals, ACSS, and Holy Wood are all excellent records. Portrait is entertaining as well. Beyond that...I enjoy VERY little post-Holy Wood MM. My main issue is that he tries nothing new anymore. He did with Eat Me, Drink Me, and I can totally respect that. Then HEOL did a half-assed dive into old-school territory & proceeded to make a nauseating mix between that and the softer sound of Eat Me, Drink Me. Only song I've actually enjoyed from him in the last few years was "Running To The Edge Of The World." "No Reflection" is just okay. I enjoy it, but it doesn't get me pumped for the new record. Hopefully, the rest will be better. I just can't help but look at the cover/tracklisting and shudder, though. Typical Manson as of late, and plenty generic as you said. Does his mug have to be on every album cover save for POAAF? And the track names hardly sound mature, though I should reserve my judgement beyond the titles... Anyway...we'll see. End rant..
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03/23/12 3:14 AM
cmdavis82 member Joined: 09/03/08 Location: Nashville%2C TN Posts: 664	GhostNight posted: Manson hasn't been good since Holy Wood I've got to agree with you 100%. Holywood came out when I was a senior in high school, and it was fucking awesome! A friend of mine let me borrow Golden Age, and I couldn't even get half way through it. The lyrics sucked, and it seemed like he wasn't trying any more. I don't know about other albums after that. His first 4 albums were great, and I'll always respect that. I'd have more respect for Manson, if he would've stopped after Holywood. The same goes for Metallica. They should've called it quits after the Black album. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/23/2012 03:18AM by cmdavis82.
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03/23/12 4:06 AM
patrick_nicholas member Former New Yorker Joined: 05/06/09 Location: Blackwater Park Posts: 43,567	I liked the new song. Far from his best, and by no means Antichrist Superstar II, but still recognizable. I liked all of his albums, actually, including Eat Me and High End. High, to me, feels more like a transition album, and the new stuff appears to be what he was transitioning into.
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03/23/12 8:13 AM
RhettButler member Shipwrecked and Comatose Joined: 06/01/09 Location: Cardassia Prime Posts: 15,662	I'm liking Born Villain. Interesting drumming, rhythm and song structure. It's off beat and has an unusual arraignment but I actually think this is really cool. "No Reflection" has grown on me. I'm actually pretty excited about the new album. Between Manson, Garbage and Slash I have a lot to look forward to. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/23/2012 08:15AM by RhettButler.
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03/23/12 9:03 AM
serenityangel member Joined: 06/08/09 Location: oberhausen Posts: 6,220	manson and rammstein yesterday in germany.... I really can´t say much about his new songs, gotta listen to the complete album first. HEOL was a huge disappointment for me, I thought the single Arma-bla... was ok and I heard "we´re from america" also before I bought the album and thought it was good. So I bought the album without even listening to it before (like I usually do) >_< and yeah... I only listened once completely to it. EVER. I really hope its not the same with his new album. But I thought Eat me, drink me was not bad at all, it was just different from what he did before. But its sure not my favorite album. I don´t think MM will ever be like he was in the 90s or early 00s. But it would be great if he finds new ways.
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03/23/12 10:25 AM
gaaira member hollow Joined: 06/07/09 Location: The precipice of defeat Posts: 2,442	i probably said this before, but for me, brian (manson) and monkey from korn are probably two of the bigger disappointments from the music i used to listen to when i was younger. i mean the people who actually made the music are gone and now they are just sad lets enjoy some old reznorific riffs
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03/23/12 3:58 PM
organic_lifeform member Joined: 02/28/08 Location: Netherlands Posts: 67	RhettButler posted: I'm liking Born Villain. Interesting drumming, rhythm and song structure. It's off beat and has an unusual arraignment but I actually think this is really cool. Yeah, that song's called Overneath The Path Of Misery and I can't wait to hear the album version. Manson's said that the version used in the Born Villain video was still unfinished.
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03/23/12 8:32 PM
9Inch9Nails9 member Joined: 01/28/09 Location: Clearwater%2C Flordia Posts: 758	Don't see what all the bitching and moaning is all about, really. I mean if some one did the same old thing all the time, would get flat, over all. That is what make an artist last over time like Bowie. Have to push that in different eras etc.
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03/24/12 4:22 AM
organic_lifeform member Joined: 02/28/08 Location: Netherlands Posts: 67	9Inch9Nails9 posted: Don't see what all the bitching and moaning is all about, really. I mean if some one did the same old thing all the time, would get flat, over all. That is what make an artist last over time like Bowie. Have to push that in different eras etc. I fully agree. If Bowie hadn't tried different things we would never have had the amazing 1. Outside. But while I love the fact that artists try different things, it also means that I don't like some of their outings as much as I do their other works (Bowie's Black Tie White Noise and Manson's EMDM for example).
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03/25/12 9:59 AM
xtent member Joined: 03/25/12 Posts: 2	I like the fact that manson has attempted to change in style over the years. For me, the weakest album musically is Portrait, and after that perhaps GAOG. Ignoring the 'trilogy' (mansons term many months later for his strongest albums), I thought the last two albums were also pretty good. Eat me Drink me was enjoyable but more laid back, and High end of Low also had some great tracks, but was arguably a bit long with some past ideas ('we're from america' sounded like nothing new at all, a good b-side perhaps). I would have probably have given both a fairly solid 4/5 though. This current output however (no reflection), sounds tired, uninspired, with no memorable chorus, arguably trying too hard to sound like his more experimental past days, hence the 'ah-aa' at the start and a fair bit of production over that vocal. In other words, its lazy, sounding more like a manson cover band than anything. Even the guitar is weak. Nothing saves it. If this is the best material on the album then I think it may be time for manson to take a little break or give it up. He needs inspiration to do so himself, and for once, this does not sound like anything new at all. Thats probably the most shocking thing. On the plus side, the album has some great artwork (displayed on the official website). The manson-mad fanatics of today (theyre getting younger) may not be too happy with any of the above, and think the current to-be-released single as being nothing next to amazing. The websites and magazines that preferred the early work over everything else may also like it. When it gets right down to it however, I will hope what has been given out so far is not any final version of any track to be put on disc, and will wait for the final release to give any final opinion, so am now crossing my fingers that the rest of the album is not on the 'same level' but its not looking good
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03/25/12 11:47 AM
LobotomyBaby member T H E W A R O F A R T Joined: 11/28/07 Location: Greatest of All Belows Posts: 2,988	organic_lifeform posted: RhettButler posted: I'm liking Born Villain. Interesting drumming, rhythm and song structure. It's off beat and has an unusual arraignment but I actually think this is really cool. Yeah, that song's called Overneath The Path Of Misery and I can't wait to hear the album version. Manson's said that the version used in the Born Villain video was still unfinished. what i'd like to know is why he's releasing videos of songs that are still unfinished? well, he should've released the finished born villain as the single instead of this other piece of crap.
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03/25/12 4:28 PM
organic_lifeform member Joined: 02/28/08 Location: Netherlands Posts: 67	LobotomyBaby posted: organic_lifeform posted: RhettButler posted: I'm liking Born Villain. Interesting drumming, rhythm and song structure. It's off beat and has an unusual arraignment but I actually think this is really cool. Yeah, that song's called Overneath The Path Of Misery and I can't wait to hear the album version. Manson's said that the version used in the Born Villain video was still unfinished. what i'd like to know is why he's releasing videos of songs that are still unfinished? well, he should've released the finished born villain as the single instead of this other piece of crap. Well, the video titled Born Villain isn't a music video. It was more of an art film to set the mood for the new album. In it Manson paid tribute to sources of inspiration, like Macbeth. It was also more of a spontaneous action, because Manson had struck up a friendship with Shia LaBeouf, who later directed the video. That's why he used an early and unfinished version of Overneath The Path Of Misery.
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03/25/12 7:11 PM
Demonseed25 member Joined: 09/10/08 Posts: 1,258	Marilyn Manson attests that the lyrical content of the album will be "more romantic" yet "self-abusive."[3] Manson also referred to the album as "very death metal," voicing interest in releasing the album differently than previous Marilyn Manson records, and also citing his friendship with Slayer as a vague influence on the record.[24] On May 7, 2010, both entertainer Rudy Coby and New York-based artist Nick Kushner[25] were previewed material from the album, the latter describing it on Facebook as "fuckin' hardcore."------- wikipedia I'm guessing Manson's new album is going to be off the hook bad ass and awesome.I'm really looking forward to getting the new album once it's released!! Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2012 07:12PM by Demonseed25.
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03/25/12 9:38 PM
gaaira member hollow Joined: 06/07/09 Location: The precipice of defeat Posts: 2,442	so i was listening to another old song that has a great reznorific riff angel with the scabbed wings then i looked up the credits and.. music: Manson, Ramirez, Gacy... i was like seriously brian and jordie with such a great riff, was i wrong about them? and then.. lead guitar: Danny Lohner oooh
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03/27/12 10:38 AM
xtent member Joined: 03/25/12 Posts: 2	gaaira - I think you've pretty much summed it all up. Twiggy did his best on fast and simple tracks (eg lead guitar of 1996 on AS) but the band musically could surely do better than what may be released very soon. They really need a GREAT guitarist. In NOVEMBER 2010: Twiggy posted: We've got a new album [that we're working on]. It's almost done. It'll probably be out next year. [...] It's our best record yet, I think. I mean, everyone always says that, but I think this is our best work so far... It's kind of like a little more of a punk rock Mechanical Animals without sounding too pretentious." I have enjoyed every album to date, but these BV tracks sound below average, no where near their best output. There are plenty of college rock bands out there that could beat this excuse-IF what is being heard now really are finished tracks. Ill need to hear more than these two attempts so far, but this is nothing like any 'punk rock mechanical animals'-almost every track from that album had a memorable chorus and could have been a single, and from these new released so far, Im getting nothing. Its barely even punk. Everyone is surely crossing their fingers that what has been released so far via the web is nowhere near finished and there only to maintain interest. I am wondering with Manson now on Cooking Vinyl (creating his own mini-label 'Hell etc') whether he has now decided to only do things his way, and ignore all outside suggestions or input. I would doubt that to be the case, but from some forums, many have been noting his most recent live performances to be utter trash, and not in a good way either. lol. PS the above is is all coming from a FAN. I hope and pray that manson hasnt had his day Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/27/2012 10:39AM by xtent.
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03/27/12 4:07 PM
LobotomyBaby member T H E W A R O F A R T Joined: 11/28/07 Location: Greatest of All Belows Posts: 2,988	organic_lifeform posted: LobotomyBaby posted: organic_lifeform posted: RhettButler posted: I'm liking Born Villain. Interesting drumming, rhythm and song structure. It's off beat and has an unusual arraignment but I actually think this is really cool. Yeah, that song's called Overneath The Path Of Misery and I can't wait to hear the album version. Manson's said that the version used in the Born Villain video was still unfinished. what i'd like to know is why he's releasing videos of songs that are still unfinished? well, he should've released the finished born villain as the single instead of this other piece of crap. Well, the video titled Born Villain isn't a music video. It was more of an art film to set the mood for the new album. In it Manson paid tribute to sources of inspiration, like Macbeth. It was also more of a spontaneous action, because Manson had struck up a friendship with Shia LaBeouf, who later directed the video. That's why he used an early and unfinished version of Overneath The Path Of Misery. ok, so it's a pretentious music video.
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03/28/12 11:00 AM
organic_lifeform member Joined: 02/28/08 Location: Netherlands Posts: 67	LobotomyBaby posted: organic_lifeform posted: LobotomyBaby posted: organic_lifeform posted: RhettButler posted: I'm liking Born Villain. Interesting drumming, rhythm and song structure. It's off beat and has an unusual arraignment but I actually think this is really cool. Yeah, that song's called Overneath The Path Of Misery and I can't wait to hear the album version. Manson's said that the version used in the Born Villain video was still unfinished. what i'd like to know is why he's releasing videos of songs that are still unfinished? well, he should've released the finished born villain as the single instead of this other piece of crap. Well, the video titled Born Villain isn't a music video. It was more of an art film to set the mood for the new album. In it Manson paid tribute to sources of inspiration, like Macbeth. It was also more of a spontaneous action, because Manson had struck up a friendship with Shia LaBeouf, who later directed the video. That's why he used an early and unfinished version of Overneath The Path Of Misery. ok, so it's a pretentious music video. Hey, just providing information here.
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03/28/12 10:10 PM
GhostNight member Joined: 11/29/09 Posts: 117	Okay. I've given this song a few listens, and it is certainly a step up from the past two records for me. Guess minds change. Hoping this album will be good! Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/28/2012 10:11PM by GhostNight.
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04/05/12 2:46 AM
gaaira member hollow Joined: 06/07/09 Location: The precipice of defeat Posts: 2,442	Marilyn Manson is: onstage antics production, music (killer) riffs image lyrics
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