This, of course, is my favorite song off the new album. So, I am quite pleased with it. Why make a video at all? His fan base likes to see him/them. Not all of them have made or will make it to his/their shows this tour. Also puts to rest the Manson is sooo fat jokes. He's obviously lost weight. Recovery is a bitch and staying on that wagon is a tough job.

As for the video itself, it did fit the song in my opinion. A modern day twisted Romeo and Juliet. I love you, I hate you, I can't live without you, I can't live with you. Hence murder/suicide.

drm870 posted:

Trent made a political record that blasted religion

I don't know if Trent meant for it to be necessarily against religion, but more or less around the idea of what religion has become. Whatever you believe, I don't think Jesus Christ ever intended for Christianity to become fueled by wars, misinterpreted scripture, and false propaganda.

Sorry to get a tad bit off-topic.



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fenderbender posted:

Personally, I think Marilyn Manson lost his sound the second John 5 left the band.

Well, John joined after MA was recorded, and that was MM's last great album, HW and TGAOG were weak/bad albums respectively, and those were the albums were he participated.

Anyway, watch this:

[www.youtube.com]

My comment on Youtube:

abaddonFER/FERABAD on Youtube posted:

Far better than any video by Manson on this decade. Why a low budget video was good back then and now we have to see garbage like the Armageddon and the Running ("beating up skinny girls to death is cool" videos?

One of their best songs btw.

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Soooo has anybody bought the GUNS GOD & GOVERNMENT--Live in L.A. Blu-ray?????????????
WOW!!!
fukkin awesome!!!!
One of the best lookin Blu-rays out there!!!
Here is a review of it and screen-shots...

[www.blu-ray.com]

i have to say that even though i myself shit on golden age to some extent, but i've been playing it a lot lately, as well as animals, and i think golden is still a killer album for the most part.

at first i thought the album was marilyn manson finally becoming a parody of himself, but i've come to think it could have just been a mockery of what manson had become, especially when you listen to the lyrics of songs like the new shit & ka-boom ka-boom etc.

i still can't get into eat me, it just bores me. it truly does, and i still think low would have been much better as an ep, with half the songs cut or released as another ep.

there's 2 distinct sounds on the album, one polished and has some kind of flow, the other half-assed pop-rock or demo-sounding tracks, as if he just stopped giving a fuck at some point, focussed on making some of the songs sound amazing, while just throwing the rest on there to have an album to throw at the [cunts who are his] label.

he should really try and get the fuck away from interscope and make music on his own terms again, and see if he can still come up with something awesome. there's hints of it coming out now and again, but too much other shit is eclipsing it right now.

i didn't like his new video at all either. i mean, grow the fuck up. people are saying "he's shining light on the horrors of society by highlighting domestic violence blah, blah, blah" but anyone who's read any interview or myspace update over the last year knows it was just an immature way to try get back at his ex. fucked her in one video when he loved her, then killed a lookalike of her in his last video now that he apparently hates her. i thought he'd be a bit more creative than that, especially when it comes to a video for one of the best songs on that album.



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^^^
ROFL. can't wait to hear links!

i could see this coming. good for him, he can now prove he either still has it inside him to create kickass music on his own terms, or he will go the other way. time will tell.

they can't blame poor album sales for releasing him - they gave him fuck-all money, they failed to promote him over the last year, and that other interscope fucktard was given everything she wanted and needed, and she's at the top of their sales.

they just replaced him is all. hopefully he uses his release the right way and finds what made his music awesome in the past, before all the bullshit he created and surrounded himself in took over.



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i think people claiming manson was useless without reznor are blinded in a way.

i like the portrait manson, it was cool and interesting, but it wasn't groundbreaking, yet i enjoy the songs even now mostly.

antichrist was very reznor fuelled, of course, with such a producer it was bound to be. however, animals & holy wood were reznor-free, and both sound amazing and vastly different to anything they did previous, due to equally talented producers and mix of awesome band members.

golden age, though not as brilliant, was still great for what it was when i look at it as manson looking at manson and writing the songs as a viewer of the creation he made, rather than the cookie-cutter manson songs as i'd initially thought they were.

i give him props for trying something new with eat me, i just don't dig the style, the production or the lyricism of the album. like half of low, it sounds as if there's a lotta demos amongst a few much better songs. that's just my personal taste or lack thereof.

i think if manson truly wants to write good music, and focuses on art more than partying - AND - gets a tight band in the studio with him, as he had in the past - then he can make something great again. twiggy back on bass would be a good move too.

if he really just wants to make movies and bum around hollywood, then that ain't gonna happen. he's free now, so it's up to him to decide what he wants to do, and hopefully, whatever he chooses is a success.

Marilyn Manson spoke to Hammer and announced his plans to play three of the classic albums on separate nights in cities around the world. Plus, he fields questions about this year’s Download performance…

“In the States – and a few select dates in Europe maybe – we plan to play the three albums, ‘Holywood’, ‘Mechanical Animals’ and ‘Antichrist Superstar’ top-to-bottom at three nights in each city, which is something we’ve never done – we’ve never attempted live.”

I gotta admit those are my favorite albums by him. Antichrist Superstar is his best I think. Mechanical Animals was a fantastic experiment. I think Holywood was his purest album. I hope he records them all and puts his all into it.

OK, if the SAME Interscope that had beef with Trent dropped Manson, it is only ideal for Manson to self-release his future albums, like Trent after Interscope.

Manson's official word on the split with Interscope

Marilyn Manson posted:

Interscope/nothing to offer- records did not drop Marilyn Manson. When the "do I have to suck your mentally retarded dick for money?" clause ran out. And I was able to choose to be with whatever company, if any, had the brain big enough to understand what I do... I said that I would prefer to not be ass-raped by idiots from this time forward. So anyone who wants to revise history or suck intercope/nothing good records can find the shotguns in the sporting goods section at walmart. Insert barrel. Etc. MM out.

In other news, while on tour in Europe, Marilyn Manson performed "Running To The Edge of the World", complete with theatrics very similar to the music video. You can see this here.

Not a major fan of the song or music video, but I gotta admit that's the best I've seen of Manson this tour.

ningamer posted:

Manson's official word on the split with Interscope

Marilyn Manson posted:

Interscope/nothing to offer- records did not drop Marilyn Manson. When the "do I have to suck your mentally retarded dick for money?" clause ran out. And I was able to choose to be with whatever company, if any, had the brain big enough to understand what I do... I said that I would prefer to not be ass-raped by idiots from this time forward. So anyone who wants to revise history or suck intercope/nothing good records can find the shotguns in the sporting goods section at walmart. Insert barrel. Etc. MM out.

In other news, while on tour in Europe, Marilyn Manson performed "Running To The Edge of the World", complete with theatrics very similar to the music video. You can see this here.

Not a major fan of the song or music video, but I gotta admit that's the best I've seen of Manson this tour.

Wow. Maybe he still has it in him to do cool live shows. I just wish his shows were a bit longer. After seeing NIN and their last few tours, Marilyn has to get on the ballgame and do more than 12-15 songs! I'm thinking he shouldn't drink so much during the show, maybe then he could carry on longer.

ningamer posted:

Manson's official word on the split with Interscope

Marilyn Manson posted:

Interscope/nothing to offer- records did not drop Marilyn Manson. When the "do I have to suck your mentally retarded dick for money?" clause ran out. And I was able to choose to be with whatever company, if any, had the brain big enough to understand what I do... I said that I would prefer to not be ass-raped by idiots from this time forward. So anyone who wants to revise history or suck intercope/nothing good records can find the shotguns in the sporting goods section at walmart. Insert barrel. Etc. MM out.

WOW. Someone's good with words...

Zer0Sum posted:

Coma White (with Coma Black outro)

can't find any bootlegs of this yet — anyone wanna explain how it works? do they just graft The Apple of Discord onto Coma White, or what?

edit: woops, there's a video of it from Warsaw. interesting combination. this is the first tour they played either part of Coma Black, isn't it?



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i agree with your comments on artists' changes through eras or albums. people age, they don't always have just one idea to work with, they try new things, new sounds, new looks, depending on the life they live at the time, unless you're a pop artists or a band like angelspit or ministry, and just churn out the same music and same style for year over year.

however, i think bowie survived the let's dance era, as he came back with more depth, heart and a better style to boot with his 90's and recent albums, his reality tour dvd is testament to a man clearly over the hill, performing with energy, grace and relevance of any band 30 or 40 years younger than he.

i give manson props for doing something different with each album, even if i'm not a fan of the results concerning one or two of them. that said, i'd rather hear different albums and see different shows, albeit with different degrees of quality or likability, rather than buy and see him perform one awesome album rehashed again & again for 20 years.

i think a time will come when manson must decide to either take the golden age road, and turn the music into a celebration of the creation of marilyn manson, as alice cooper seems to have done with his persona, as he's clearly another guy off-stage these days, or manson should put the persona out to stud, and move on as an artist with another formula for writing and performing awesome music. it's like, be the 'character', or be the 'person', or something.