Marilyn Manson Discussion Thread

Marilyn Manson Discussion Thread

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01/16/11 1:54 AM
dcj321 member Joined: 07/28/09 Posts: 313	Manson's been hit rock bottom... Before people get mad at me I'm only kidding. I like some songs off THEOL, but it doesn't sound like something I would have expected to hear from Marilyn Manson 10 years ago.
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01/16/11 6:31 AM
RhettButler member Shipwrecked and Comatose Joined: 06/01/09 Location: Cardassia Prime Posts: 15,617	dcj321 posted: Manson's been hit rock bottom... Before people get mad at me I'm only kidding. I like some songs off THEOL, but it doesn't sound like something I would have expected to hear from Marilyn Manson 10 years ago. Not his best album, but it's not St. Anger either. [en.wikipedia.org] In a recent November interview with Eric Blair, Twiggy speaks about the new album. When asked about what is going on in the world of Marilyn Manson right now, Twiggy replied: "We've got a new album that we're working on. It's almost done. It'll probably be out next year. It's fantastic. It's our best record yet, I think. I mean, everyone always says that, but I think this is our best work so far. . . It's kind of like a little more of a punk rock 'Mechanical Animals' without sounding too pretentious." Sounds great--really looking forward to this. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/16/2011 07:34AM by RhettButler.
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01/16/11 7:41 AM
Demonseed25 member Joined: 09/10/08 Posts: 1,258	A punk rock ''Mechanical Animals''??Hmmmm...sounds pretty awesome.
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01/16/11 7:48 AM
RhettButler member Shipwrecked and Comatose Joined: 06/01/09 Location: Cardassia Prime Posts: 15,617	Demonseed25 posted: A punk rock ''Mechanical Animals''??Hmmmm...sounds pretty awesome. Yup. Some Manson albums are better than others, but, overall, he has a solid body of work. I'm looking forward to the new one. I would like to see TR and Warner work together again at some point. From what Trent said last week at the NYT interview, it seems like it could actually happen one day. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/16/2011 07:48AM by RhettButler.
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01/16/11 11:35 AM
dcj321 member Joined: 07/28/09 Posts: 313	RhettButler posted: Demonseed25 posted: A punk rock ''Mechanical Animals''??Hmmmm...sounds pretty awesome. Yup. Some Manson albums are better than others, but, overall, he has a solid body of work. I'm looking forward to the new one. I would like to see TR and Warner work together again at some point. From what Trent said last week at the NYT interview, it seems like it could actually happen one day. Werd. Yeah I've been on a Manson kick lately and I've even learned to appreciate Eat Me, Drink Me more than I used to. Even though his newer albums haven't been [imo] up to par with the Triptych, which are my favorite Manson albums, I still look forward to his new albums. I can usually find at least a handful of songs off a Marilyn Manson album listenable. Also, anything he puts out will still be better than half the things that are considered rock these days.
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01/16/11 2:01 PM
LobotomyBaby member T H E W A R O F A R T Joined: 11/28/07 Location: Greatest of All Belows Posts: 2,986	dcj321 posted: RhettButler posted: Demonseed25 posted: A punk rock ''Mechanical Animals''??Hmmmm...sounds pretty awesome. Yup. Some Manson albums are better than others, but, overall, he has a solid body of work. I'm looking forward to the new one. I would like to see TR and Warner work together again at some point. From what Trent said last week at the NYT interview, it seems like it could actually happen one day. Werd. Yeah I've been on a Manson kick lately and I've even learned to appreciate Eat Me, Drink Me more than I used to. Even though his newer albums haven't been [imo] up to par with the Triptych, which are my favorite Manson albums, I still look forward to his new albums. I can usually find at least a handful of songs off a Marilyn Manson album listenable. Also, anything he puts out will still be better than half the things that are considered rock these days. i pretty much agree with that last sentence...i couple of things i would point out though.. there's no way in hell his new album will be as cool as "a punk rock mechanical animals" because every album manson ever comes out with is super-hyped by him. unlike trent, manson relies on his own ego...as sort of a padding to his persona so he doesn't ever have to sit back and say to himself "fuckkk, maybe i need some humility and to be humbled by the fact that my art is slipping...maybe i'll lay off the fuckin alcohol.." ya know why? ...because alcohol generates a false idea in people's heads that they're better at everything than they actually are. we as consumers and critics need to pull his ass over. the most i can say for manson at this point is that he's got a lot of fans like me that are just waiting...they download all his new albums ..hoping that ..that one will be the redemption of what used to be MM. and it's usually always the opposite directions but at least he's still got us expecting something from him...so, we haven't all given up. and finally..manson will never work with reznor. there's nothing i would love more than to eat my own words on this ..but, it would never happen.
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01/17/11 5:05 PM
dcj321 member Joined: 07/28/09 Posts: 313	LobotomyBaby posted: there's no way in hell his new album will be as cool as "a punk rock mechanical animals" because every album manson ever comes out with is super-hyped by him. unlike trent, manson relies on his own ego A-fuckin-men. Another quote from him about the album also refers to it as being "suicide death metal" and while that sounds pretty fucking awesome, as does punk rock + Mechanical Animals, you can't have both. Punk rock and death metal are two totally different genres. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2011 05:06PM by dcj321.
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01/18/11 8:32 AM
Demonseed25 member Joined: 09/10/08 Posts: 1,258	Whatever the new album sounds like, I just hope Manson doesn't sell out.I haven't heard a single Manson album I haven't liked thus far.As Trent said,there is a lot of talent in that man.
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01/18/11 12:48 PM
RhettButler member Shipwrecked and Comatose Joined: 06/01/09 Location: Cardassia Prime Posts: 15,617	LobotomyBaby posted: and finally..manson will never work with reznor. there's nothing i would love more than to eat my own words on this ..but, it would never happen. Van Halen with David Lee Roth are supposedly recording an album now, so you never know...
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01/18/11 3:51 PM
gaaira member hollow Joined: 06/07/09 Location: The precipice of defeat Posts: 2,433	^sure you never now, but seriously, what possible form could such a musical collaboration take ? i mean other than trent writing the music and brian... putting on make up i don't hate MarilynManson, there are a bunch of good songs under that logo but brian is as much a musician as madonna
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01/18/11 4:57 PM
RhettButler member Shipwrecked and Comatose Joined: 06/01/09 Location: Cardassia Prime Posts: 15,617	He's a showman first and foremost, but he's also creative. It's true though that he's depended on others to help him write and produce his songs (Twiggy, TR, Billy Corgan, John 5, etc).
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01/18/11 8:52 PM
LobotomyBaby member T H E W A R O F A R T Joined: 11/28/07 Location: Greatest of All Belows Posts: 2,986	well, if his last 2 performances that i've seen are supposed to be a good idea of his showmanship ...he's not even good at being something that he's supposed to be good at being first and foremost. overcharging his fans to watch him dry heave into the mic during all his overplayed singles for a whole whopping 40 minutes... so creative
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01/18/11 9:01 PM
RhettButler member Shipwrecked and Comatose Joined: 06/01/09 Location: Cardassia Prime Posts: 15,617	LobotomyBaby posted: well, if his last 2 performances that i've seen are supposed to be a good idea of his showmanship ...he's not even good at being something that he's supposed to be good at being first and foremost. overcharging his fans to watch him dry heave into the mic during all his overplayed singles for a whole whopping 40 minutes... so creative Can't speak to that, but I saw MM in '03 and '08 and felt that I definitely got my money's worth.
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01/20/11 7:57 PM
gaaira member hollow Joined: 06/07/09 Location: The precipice of defeat Posts: 2,433	RhettButler posted: It's true though that he's depended on others to help him write and produce his songs (Twiggy, TR, Billy Corgan, John 5, etc). I gave "we're from america" a chance: a boring rhythm driving drum machine, a sad excuse for a guitar riff and the same all typical double entendre, "offensive" social commentary manson crap he's aint getting no help no more RhettButler posted: He's a showman first and foremost, but he's also creative. Walking on stilts, "borrowed" from Skinny Puppy Performing behind white sheets, "borrowed" from Skinny Puppy Performing covered in black oily gooey shit / fake blood , "borrowed" from Skinny Puppy Everything else, whatever pissed off conservative parents in the 90s
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01/21/11 3:54 AM
RhettButler member Shipwrecked and Comatose Joined: 06/01/09 Location: Cardassia Prime Posts: 15,617	gaaira posted: RhettButler posted: It's true though that he's depended on others to help him write and produce his songs (Twiggy, TR, Billy Corgan, John 5, etc). I gave "we're from america" a chance: a boring rhythm driving drum machine, a sad excuse for a guitar riff and the same all typical double entendre, "offensive" social commentary manson crap he's aint getting no help no more RhettButler posted: He's a showman first and foremost, but he's also creative. Walking on stilts, "borrowed" from Skinny Puppy Performing behind white sheets, "borrowed" from Skinny Puppy Performing covered in black oily gooey shit / fake blood , "borrowed" from Skinny Puppy Everything else, whatever pissed off conservative parents in the 90s I won't disagree with you on your first point. I haven't actually listened to that song since it was first released, about two years ago. Not bad--sort of by-the-numbers MM and a little bit of a letdown, considering how Twiggy was back for that album. I still say that he's a creative guy and I have enjoyed most of his work. As to your second point--Skinny Puppy did not invent fake blood, gore, etc. That goes way back to the 70s, with bands like Alice Cooper and KISS. So I would hardly accuse Manson of ripping-off Skinny Puppy for that. Although you are right about the slits. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/21/2011 03:57AM by RhettButler.
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01/26/11 1:51 AM
lucyfer_ member Joined: 12/08/08 Posts: 430	RhettButler posted: LobotomyBaby posted: well, if his last 2 performances that i've seen are supposed to be a good idea of his showmanship ...he's not even good at being something that he's supposed to be good at being first and foremost. overcharging his fans to watch him dry heave into the mic during all his overplayed singles for a whole whopping 40 minutes... so creative Can't speak to that, but I saw MM in '03 and '08 and felt that I definitely got my money's worth. I also saw MM in 2007 and thought it was worth the money (even though I had a shitty spot in the audience :/). His music has had this whole new direction for a good while, I just don't like the new style. THEOL isn't my kind of music >< definitely not, it just seems like Manson has lost his original voice, that I fell in love with. I mean, ofcourse bands make some changes, but this is too much of a change in my opinion... EMDM is partly good... But I don't listen to it too often, I got so disappointed when it first came out. Meh. The older music still sounds amazing though.
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02/09/11 3:29 AM
LobotomyBaby member T H E W A R O F A R T Joined: 11/28/07 Location: Greatest of All Belows Posts: 2,986	i actually have nothing bad to say about this. i gotta say..i didn't see him becoming alan rickman. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/2011 03:29AM by LobotomyBaby.
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02/09/11 3:32 PM
ningamer member Joined: 08/16/08 Posts: 8,046	Bwahaha!! I kinda like that look actually. He looks like he needs some chapstick or something though.
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02/09/11 3:42 PM
Xanthe member ************************* Joined: 09/03/08 Location: Transsexual Transylvania Posts: 15,362	Just think where that middle finger has been.... Actually I don't want to think about it. ><
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02/09/11 6:10 PM
ningamer member Joined: 08/16/08 Posts: 8,046	It doesn't matter where it's been, he still doesn't have enough. (my god, that was terrible)
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02/09/11 6:31 PM
MissyMay83 member Aryanna Joined: 09/24/10 Posts: 410	I was a bit disapointed with the high end of the low, but i think manson will redeem himself with the next album.
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02/09/11 10:44 PM
LobotomyBaby member T H E W A R O F A R T Joined: 11/28/07 Location: Greatest of All Belows Posts: 2,986	ningamer posted: It doesn't matter where it's been, he still doesn't have enough. (my god, that was terrible) yeah, that was sorta bad..but the chapstick comment redeemed it because i've gone back to look at these pics a couple times today..and every time i see them it's funny now. i see what you're saying though..it's like the pics were taken directly after he had a lemon in his mouth. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/2011 10:45PM by LobotomyBaby.
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02/11/11 10:47 AM
xabundantiax member Joined: 10/09/09 Location: Salem%2C NH Posts: 218	Mechanical_Worm posted: teruist posted: Mechanical_Worm posted: What did everyone think of the recent conference news stating that Wes Borland is the new guitarist? what. i totally missed this. im iffy on it until i hear him actually play with the rest of the band. he did pretty good with X Japan earlier this year, so it may be cool. They performed at the ETP Festival in Seoul, Korea today. There's many pictures from the show. See, He's looking quite good. Those pictures are fucking awesome!!!!!
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02/11/11 10:48 AM
xabundantiax member Joined: 10/09/09 Location: Salem%2C NH Posts: 218	Demonseed25 posted: A punk rock ''Mechanical Animals''??Hmmmm...sounds pretty awesome. Agreed. I love Mechanical Animals!!!
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02/11/11 11:18 AM
Demonseed25 member Joined: 09/10/08 Posts: 1,258	^ Yea!And indeed, those pictures are awesome!Pretty badass!!!
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02/24/11 2:33 PM
thelovelady member Joined: 01/15/11 Location: fantastic planet Posts: 213	oh what to say about manson. i luv him, but he aint doin so good these days. saw them live a few years ago. terrible. when i saw them on the mechanical animals tour THAT was amazing.
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02/26/11 3:59 AM
ningamer member Joined: 08/16/08 Posts: 8,046	Ginger Fish (Marilyn Manson's drummer since 1995) posted: I am regretful to inform the fans that I have decided to step down as a member of Marilyn Manson, and see where my life , and the knowledge of my availability cares to take me. I can’t stand by to watch opportunities pass me by simply because the knowledge of my availability wasn’t clearly expressed by me. I wish my brothers well, and I expect nothing but great things from them. Sincerely, Ginger Fish
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02/26/11 4:31 AM
Samurai_Zombie member Edited 1 time(s) Joined: 02/28/09 Location: The Monkey House Posts: 1,092	^ Aw, fudge
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02/26/11 5:56 AM
RhettButler member Shipwrecked and Comatose Joined: 06/01/09 Location: Cardassia Prime Posts: 15,617	ningamer posted: Ginger Fish (Marilyn Manson's drummer since 1995) posted: I am regretful to inform the fans that I have decided to step down as a member of Marilyn Manson, and see where my life , and the knowledge of my availability cares to take me. I can’t stand by to watch opportunities pass me by simply because the knowledge of my availability wasn’t clearly expressed by me. I wish my brothers well, and I expect nothing but great things from them. Sincerely, Ginger Fish Availability? I wonder what he means by that? I wonder if he will be featured on the new album? Good luck to him. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/26/2011 05:56AM by RhettButler.
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02/26/11 6:02 AM
LobotomyBaby member T H E W A R O F A R T Joined: 11/28/07 Location: Greatest of All Belows Posts: 2,986	all i can see..is it's his way of saying.."i know i'm available to work because i quit my job. now other bands will think of me when needing a drummer because i've publicly announced that i've quit my job."
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