wow. this bitch needs to be put down.

i really have a feeling she is interscope's marilyn manson replacement. all his album & tour promo funding vanished, she suddenly has all the money in the world for her shitty album and tour, even her 'style' is becoming more like manson's more outlandish costumes of past tours and music videos, and she's getting all the media spots manson used to get.

i think interscope realized manson doesn't scare and care about scaring and making headlines as he used to, and the little addictions issue may not have helped, so i think they're backing gaga as their new sensationalist cash-cow, who ironically has not a fucking thing to say about anything. she's a hollow, boring pop singer, who just has a kickass media machine promoting the fuck out of her.

everything about shit "music" like hers just reminds me of this, it's no coincidence she even gets a mention somewhere near the end of it.

VigilX posted:

leo3375 posted:

For those who don't think Gaga has any talent, just watch this:
[www.youtube.com]

Why? So we can listen to generic R&b chords with stupid lyrics sung in a generic r&b style completely devoid of any artistry?

Oh wait I get it... you were just trying to support our pov....

Just from what I get because this thread pretty much introduced me to who Lady Gaga even is, the above video at least for a style of music seemed decent, not the same loop over and over and she's playing an instrument, but some artists get lazy after that initial break I've noticed and drugs and money possess them. Then I seen what the techno stuff looked like, that was really generic and her riding off her initial stuff that was decent (maybe not everyone's taste, but an effort at least). There's almost a very simple formula. Get in the door, get established, get on drugs, lose track of what you're doing, and ride off the establishment with little effort to keep the drive that got you there, and it's a disaster in the process and it becomes money and drugs from there. The drugs become a need to medicate, and they're no longer a recreation like they started out being.

I recently saw a video of hers before she was famous, playing one of her songs on the piano.
I guess Music Industry is to blame. She wasn't that bad then, and I honestly don't dislike her songs, although I'm not a fan. I'm just not precisely her "target audience".

I like what she's doing. Nothing seems to 'wow' people these days because we've seen it all, but Lady gaga is doing something abit different. It's sorta refreshing.



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leo3375 posted:

Folks, Lady Gaga is the type of performer that can sing AND dance at the same time:

I'd like to see Britney try to do this!

Watching the video I realize we're talking about different styles. There are live performances with lots of production, with lots of money spent on stage design, costumes, special effects, lights, projections, while some artists prefer to display only their musical talent, with very little visuals, if any.

Neither is bad, I think. Some mainstream performances remind me of those 40's musical movies, although talent was a rule back then, actors who would be good at everything, singing, dancing, even playing an instrument.

Madonna doesn't sing and dance either... I used to like her music a lot back in the 90's. Not so much nowadays.

Britney... well she was too messed up to do anything!

Some people want to be entertained visually in concerts/music performances, some don't care that much. I guess it depends on taste/target? GaGa is relatively a new artist, time will tell. As I said, I don't mind listening to her songs, and some people hate her so much that it makes me want to find out more about her, hehehe.

I find it quite weird when someone hates an artist that much, knowing you barely know anything about her. Don't like don't bother to talk.

I'm not a fan of her music, but once saw bbc interview, she seemed interesting to listen to. And the fact that she wrote songs since she was 13 to other artists and all her stage presence design and clothes is her own thing, she even can play an instrument, sing live. All this makes her stick out in all that rubbish mtv pop music, I'd say.

And I quite like the way she dresses. It's her own way of expressing herself that's what music is about. She mentioned that all this image is not really her what she wants is to create an image for someone to follow to something like that. That's what pop culture is and was about, I think, creating a fantasy and illusion of this icon pop star.

I think if she keeps doing what she does by her own she will stay for a while.
Ou man now i got her song stuck in my head.

posted:

In many ways, the work of a critic is easy. We risk very little yet enjoy a position over those who offer up their work and their selves to our judgment. We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read. But the bitter truth we critics must face is that, in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so.

i'm posting that everywhere I see fit. I don't even care about gaga but c'mon,some of you made your point. You don't like her.ou said it once and a dozen times more. gtfo her thread if you don't like her. What are you? seeing red? fuck's sake move on & let go and let people have their fun.



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I should say this in a separate thread but...

CharmlessMan posted:

i'm posting that everywhere I see fit. I don't even care about gaga but c'mon,some of you made your point.

The same could be said about people that come in and repeatedly praise her... I don't see a problem in either case. The thread should have been named, "The say-only-nice-things-about-lady-gaga thread" if that's what people wanted, but that seems really childish anyway.

CharmlessMan posted:

gtfo her thread if you don't like her.

People don't go to threads because they necessarily like the subject of the discussion.

CharmlessMan posted:

let go and let people have their fun.

Discussion, positive or negative, can be fun so what's the problem?

Also, regarding the text you quoted:

posted:

But the bitter truth we critics must face is that, in the grand scheme of things, the average piece of junk is more meaningful than our criticism designating it so.

Which is a misleading statement; the phrase "more meaningful" can mean a few things and while certain usages make the claim true, others do not. If "more meaningful" means the most meaningful to the biggest group of people, then it could be true. If it means the most meaningful to the critic himself or people that he might care about, then it is not; anybody with half a brain should already realize the former so it's kind of funny that he makes it sound like a hard truth.... more importantly though, he preceded the statement with this...

posted:

We thrive on negative criticism, which is fun to write and to read.

Which defeats the whole point... if a person's criticism isn't as significant as a person would like it to be, it doesn't really matter when they're having fun writing/reading it and reading other pieces like it.

And of course, if people made decisions based on how significant they are compared with related decisions/behavior/subjects, then you taking the time to critique critics is an even bigger waste of time than any Gaga hater (and this creates a fun loop where I'm wasting even more time by critiquing your critique of critics critiquing art and if you respond to this reply, you'd be participating in an even less significant act).

It's all just silly of course... communication is the reward and these kinds of comparisons are inappropriate.

Okay.
Musical taste is highly subjective, and an artist's looks have nothing to do with talent or music writing ability.

Most people in here are still ripping on Lady Gaga's looks. Get over it!!!!
Turn off the radio, tv, and stop visiting this thread if you find her so repulsive!
Everyone has free will to do what they please!

Most of her fan base is gay (men). A community that could care less about her appearance. They love her! (Never underestimate the power of the gays, they made her)
In the world of pop music, sexuality and appearance is used to overpower us and detract attention from the artist's lack of talent (Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera)

This woman has made it big and her looks had nothing to do with it. Suck on that!

Xanthe posted:

Okay.
Musical taste is highly subjective, and an artist's looks have nothing to do with talent or music writing ability.

Most people in here are still ripping on Lady Gaga's looks. Get over it!!!!
Turn off the radio, tv, and stop visiting this thread if you find her so repulsive!
Everyone has free will to do what they please!

Most of her fan base is gay (men). A community that could care less about her appearance. They love her! (Never underestimate the power of the gays, they made her)
In the world of pop music, sexuality and appearance is used to overpower us and detract attention from the artist's lack of talent (Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera)

This woman has made it big and her looks had nothing to do with it. Suck on that!

Gay men also like country music so that argument offers no leverage.

Let's not forget that stereotypical gay men have an absolutely shit taste in music.

She is obscenely famous because of the sheep mentality so prevalent in our fucked-up society with its fucked-up set of values. Each of her fans is a stupid sheep.

Say BAAA!

autumozart posted:

Oh, here we go again.

If you think Lady Gaga is a pop icon, please keep in mind that it is NSYNC who holds the record for second best selling album of the decade.

NSYNC!WOOOOOOOO!!

^ that.

I'm disappointed in you Anna. You rarely sink this low. You're doing what you were giving seeingred shit for doing.

I was gonna mail you some cookies but now you get NONE.

Kid IRA1 posted:

yeah, gay men are the only people still going to Dianna Ross concerts. they're more in love with the idea of Lady Gaga than Lady Gaga herself. glam up any woman and put her at the top of the charts and she's going to have a painfully stereotypical gay following. just look at Adam Lambert. I'd argue that the gay fanbase example is more fodder for those of us that prefer to bash Gaga's songwriting.

Yeah, and nin fans are whiny emo 12 year old girls.. ?

Kid IRA1 posted:

I didnt bring up the stereotype. I was typing in response to the stereotype being brought up as proof of Gaga's appeal.

Also, someone called her avant garde. the fuck? please dont ever call her avant garde. really, the only reason I'm attacking Gaga in particular, as apposed to other pop stars I dont care for is because Lady Gaga has all pretense of a deeper meaning with absolutely nothing to back her up. It will be a cold day in hell when its the major labels that manufacture avant garde. Throbbing Gristle will have been vindicated, at any rate. And she can keep "shocking". That adjective has been tainted anyways.

I was not calling her avant garde. I used quotation marks, and said that others percieved her as such. I was not making an oppinionated statement on her music or theatre performances. I was basically going over the process in which her fans think of of her. If you actually read what I wrote, instead of jumping to conclusion based on a usage of one word, you would understand.