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04/13/11 1:36 PM

Mark my words- we're looking at one of the following white houses in for the next 4 years:

- Trump/Palin
- Trump/Bachman
- Palin/Bachman

All of which scare the shit of me. I guess I'll start looking for jobs in the EU & Canada right now.

 

04/13/11 3:47 PM

animalpipes posted:
Mark my words- we're looking at one of the following white houses in for the next 4 years:

- Trump/Palin
- Trump/Bachman
- Palin/Bachman

All of which scare the shit of me. I guess I'll start looking for jobs in the EU & Canada right now.

None of those people will win the nomination, and none of those pairs would ever be selected.

 

04/13/11 4:00 PM

I may be wrong, but I think it's almost safe to say there will NOT be a V.P. Trump...his ego wouldn't have that.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/13/2011 04:54PM by OMS.

 

04/13/11 4:42 PM

RhettButler posted:
animalpipes posted:
Mark my words- we're looking at one of the following white houses in for the next 4 years:

- Trump/Palin
- Trump/Bachman
- Palin/Bachman

All of which scare the shit of me. I guess I'll start looking for jobs in the EU & Canada right now.

None of those people will win the nomination, and none of those pairs would ever be selected.

Care to make a friendly wager on that? I'd love to lose, but I think we have reached the End of Days. Didn't the Mayan calendar say something about "the idiots shall rule the earth", or something like that? Oh, wait, maybe that was Idiocracy.

 

04/13/11 7:42 PM

animalpipes posted:
RhettButler posted:
animalpipes posted:
Mark my words- we're looking at one of the following white houses in for the next 4 years:

- Trump/Palin
- Trump/Bachman
- Palin/Bachman

All of which scare the shit of me. I guess I'll start looking for jobs in the EU & Canada right now.

None of those people will win the nomination, and none of those pairs would ever be selected.

Care to make a friendly wager on that? I'd love to lose, but I think we have reached the End of Days. Didn't the Mayan calendar say something about "the idiots shall rule the earth", or something like that? Oh, wait, maybe that was Idiocracy.

But you're thinking solely in terms of stupidity, and using that line of logic I could see why you'd think Trump would take the ticket. You have to realize though that Middle America has its very own brand of stupidity, and in that brand of stupidity Donald Trump is just another stuck-up, undeservedly wealthy, condescending, e l i t i s t, east coast liberal.

 

04/13/11 7:50 PM

animalpipes posted:
RhettButler posted:
animalpipes posted:
Mark my words- we're looking at one of the following white houses in for the next 4 years:

- Trump/Palin
- Trump/Bachman
- Palin/Bachman

All of which scare the shit of me. I guess I'll start looking for jobs in the EU & Canada right now.

None of those people will win the nomination, and none of those pairs would ever be selected.

Care to make a friendly wager on that? I'd love to lose, but I think we have reached the End of Days. Didn't the Mayan calendar say something about "the idiots shall rule the earth", or something like that? Oh, wait, maybe that was Idiocracy.

For ideological and geographical reasons, none of those people, especially Palin and Bachman, will be on the same ticket. There could be a Romney-Rubio ticket, i.e, a more traditional Republican with a Tea Party candidate as VP to sweeten the deal, but two far right wingers? No.

And Palin's over. The more people get to know her, the less they like her. Yes, she has her supporters, but she will never, ever, ever, never, ever, ever, win the Republican nomination. Nor will Bachman. Independents, as stupid as they can be, will never vote for her.



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04/14/11 5:15 PM

I'm from Bachmanns district.

You don't even know...

Lets not put anyone at the helm of the worlds biggest gun. =]

 

04/21/11 6:03 AM

What history will apply to the 2012 election?

By E.J. Dionne Jr., Wednesday, April 20, 7:42 PM

Handicapping an election 19 months away seems relevant only to political junkies except for this: Expectations, as shrewd investors know, affect actions.

The Republican presidential field might be more formidable if President Obama were less strongly favored. And over time, what Congress does will be shaped by the presidential campaign’s direction.

Views of 2012 are heavily influenced by the metaphors that prognosticators invoke. Will it be 1984, 1988 or 1992?

Obama’s camp loves 1984. President Ronald Reagan’s popularity plummeted during the economic downturn of his first two years, and Republicans did badly in the 1982 midterms. Then the economy roared back and so did Reagan. He won the landslide Obama’s handlers dream about.

Republicans like 1992. In the year before the election, the smart money was on President George H.W. Bush’s reelection. But out of nowhere came a young Democratic governor named Bill Clinton. He took advantage of economic discontent and the way Ross Perot’s independent candidacy shook up the campaign. Bush lost, with only 37.5 percent of the popular vote. Republicans want to believe Obama is as invisibly vulnerable now as Bush was then.

Both comparisons are flawed. Obama will get stronger as the economy improves, but he won’t be able to get close to a Reagan-like triumph, given how many core Republican states seem impossible to crack. The problem with the Republicans’ 1992 metaphor is that while Bush may not have seen Clinton coming, many Democrats had identified him as an awesome talent years before he ran. None of the current GOP contenders can claim this.

I like 1988 (the year the first President Bush defeated Democrat Michael Dukakis) as a metaphor for the Republicans’ stature problem. That year, the Democratic hopefuls came to be known as “the seven dwarfs.” This wasn’t fair to them, and it may not be fair to this year’s Republican field, whatever its eventual size. But the dwarf line speaks to an image deficit shared by both fields.

Of the current GOP bunch, former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty is the Dukakis of 2012. I say this as someone who is fond of Dukakis and believes he was an excellent governor of Massachusetts. He just wasn’t a great presidential candidate. The strength Pawlenty and Dukakis share is the absence of any glaring shortcomings. Dukakis was the remainder candidate, the guy most likely to be left standing. That looks like Pawlenty’s role this year. But it’s also hard to see Pawlenty escaping Dukakis’s eventual fate in a general election.

Mitt Romney, the sort-of, kind-of front-runner, is intelligent and well organized. But his lack of constancy on certain issues and the Massachusetts health-care plan (which he should be proud of fathering but has had to disown) hurt him with primary voters. Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour is the guy you would most want to have a drink with, but that’s not necessarily the key to winning a nomination. Gov. Mitch Daniels of Indiana is bright and substantive. He should run, but I don’t think he will.

Then there’s the rest — Newt Gingrich, Michele Bachmann, Donald Trump and Jon Huntsman. I can’t see any of them making it, but keep an eye on Trump’s economic nationalism and his tough-on-China rhetoric. If he cans the birther nonsense, the Donald might surprise people.

For the election, here’s the math: With the new census, the states Obama carried last time (plus the lone elector he won in Nebraska) start him with 359 electoral votes. From his original states, Obama can lose Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Wisconsin, Iowa, Virginia and North Carolina and still win exactly the 270 electoral votes he needs — as long as he holds his other states, notably Pennsylvania and Florida, and that single elector from Nebraska. Under this scenario, if he also lost the one Nebraska vote, the Electoral College would be tied, 269-269.

This gives Obama a lot of maneuvering room, but note that Pennsylvania and Florida both trended Republican last year. So Obama is certainly the favorite, but I’m not in the camp that sees the election as over before it starts.

And in the congressional races, something could happen in 2012 that’s never happened before: Both houses could switch parties, but in opposite directions. The Democrats could take back the House — the GOP is defending a lot of Democratic-leaning seats — while Republicans could take over the Senate, given the difficult array of states Democrats must win. If this happens, remember, you read it here first.

 

04/21/11 8:59 PM

RhettButler posted:
animalpipes posted:
Mark my words- we're looking at one of the following white houses in for the next 4 years:

- Trump/Palin
- Trump/Bachman
- Palin/Bachman

All of which scare the shit of me. I guess I'll start looking for jobs in the EU & Canada right now.

None of those people will win the nomination, and none of those pairs would ever be selected.
I totally agree. I don't know a single Republican that takes Trump or Palin seriously.

 

04/23/11 9:34 AM

I'm wanting to bet this guy we've never even heard of, Barry Soetoro will win the election.

 

04/26/11 10:31 AM

Ron Paul is expected to announce today in Des Moines that he's forming a presidential exploratory committee.

 

04/26/11 3:36 PM

djnixon posted:
Ron Paul is expected to announce today in Des Moines that he's forming a presidential exploratory committee.

And it will be as successful as his last one.

 

04/26/11 4:12 PM

RhettButler posted:
djnixon posted:
Ron Paul is expected to announce today in Des Moines that he's forming a presidential exploratory committee.

And it will be as successful as his last one.

Relatively speaking, it was. His name value skyrocketed, and people started listening to him for the first time in 50 years.

 

04/26/11 5:14 PM

So he can sell some more books, good for him.

 

04/26/11 7:53 PM

RhettButler posted:
So he can sell some more books, good for him.

I'm holding out for his Christmas Carols compilation album. Ten bucks says he does a duet with Trump.

 

04/26/11 11:00 PM

Who's got your vote this early in the game Riktor, or do you see an up n comer we don't know about yet?

I don't like anybody so far, but almost never like any of the popular candidates. If I see someone I like that no one will else will vote for, they'll get my vote, because I refuse to cast a "lesser of the evils", vote.



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04/27/11 9:04 AM

I hope this is the right place for this, but Obama just offically released his birth certificate

news.yahoo.com

Hopefully this will quell the likes of the Tea Party.

 

04/27/11 3:59 PM

thrasherscolin posted:

Hopefully this will quell the likes of the Tea Party.

Not on your life...and here is the PROOF!
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/271205/OBAMAS-BIRTH-CERTIFICATE.jpg

 

04/27/11 4:19 PM

^HAHA, that rules. Sad thing is, some people might not see that as satire and take those "questions" at face value.

 

04/27/11 5:08 PM

Now some idiot is tweeting that it was signed by rollerball pens that wasn't invented until the 1980's.

And what about all the stuff Trump's peeps are uncovering in HI? This is far from over...

Birthergate TBC...

 

04/27/11 10:12 PM

Chalkmaze posted:
Who's got your vote this early in the game Riktor,

No one, yet. However, seeing as that Obama will be representing the Democrats, which appears to be the only viable non-conservative party, I will most likely see myself casting a vote for four more years of the same, if only because I quake at what will happen with any of those neocons in office.

 

04/28/11 10:45 AM

Riktor posted:
Chalkmaze posted:
Who's got your vote this early in the game Riktor,

No one, yet. However, seeing as that Obama will be representing the Democrats, which appears to be the only viable non-conservative party, I will most likely see myself casting a vote for four more years of the same, if only because I quake at what will happen with any of those neocons in office.

But the GOP admits that they got out of hand with spending and maybe had a war that doesn't seem to make any sense (and never did). But that's the Republican Party of the 00s! It will be better, this time, really.

 

04/28/11 4:25 PM

*facepalm*

oh gawd no not politics

 

04/29/11 4:22 PM

a neocon in office is just what america needs to push it over the brink into a revolution! thats why i'll be voting for donald trump 2012, even if he doesn't make the nomination.

 

04/30/11 1:13 AM

Seniors Key Voters in 2012 Presidential Election
There is much at stake in the debate over Medicare and Medicaid

By Kenneth T. Walsh

One of the biggest battlegrounds in the ongoing war over the budget focuses on winning support from seniors. And increasingly, all sides are playing upon fear.

Click here to find out more!

The political upshot is that the Republicans are in danger of jeopardizing what had been a strong position with seniors going into the 2012 campaign. GOP candidates carried a majority of voters 65 and older in the 2010 elections. But the Republicans' position could be eroded because the new GOP budget in the House includes a controversial overhaul of both Medicare and Medicaid, two programs that are very popular with the elderly. This gives Democrats a huge target as the 2012 campaign begins.

[See photos of the Obamas behind the scenes.]

The GOP budget blueprint, endorsed by the Republican majority in the House, would make Medicaid, which goes mostly to the poor, into a block grant program with the federal government sending money directly to the states, which would then decide how to spend it. The GOP plan also would make Medicare, the main medical program for retired people, into a voucher system in which the government would provide subsidies or vouchers aimed at encouraging people to buy private health insurance. This would replace the current government-run system.

But polls show that most older voters support little or no change in these programs. And the opposition extends well beyond the elderly. Seventy-eight percent of all Americans oppose cutting spending on Medicare in order to reduce the national debt and 69 percent oppose cutting Medicaid, according to the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll.

An example of the hot rhetoric came from Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, the incoming chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee. She recently said the GOP's budget proposal represents a "death trap" for seniors. Wasserman Schultz said the changes would put seniors' lives at risk because they couldn't get the care they need. More broadly, the DNC and some organizations representing government employees and retired people have been attacking the House GOP's economic blueprint for unfairly targeting seniors. These groups say seniors would have to pay much more for inadequate medical coverage under the overhaul.

This drumbeat of criticism will only get more intense. And President Obama is doing his part to keep up the pressure. "Medicare is one of the most important pillars of our social safety net," he said during a town hall meeting at Northern Virginia Community College last week. He referred to an estimate by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office that under the GOP plan "seniors would end up paying twice as much for their healthcare as they are currently. At least twice as much. . . . Now, I think that is the wrong way to go. That would fundamentally change Medicare as we know it, and I'm not going to sign up for that."

Meanwhile, the Republicans say it is Obama and the Democrats who are on the wrong track for failing to do enough to keep Medicare and Medicaid solvent and for planning to raise taxes. Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, chairman of the House Budget Committee, says seniors will be in big trouble under the status quo supported by Democrats because the current system is going broke. Ryan, who authored the House GOP's plan, aims to cut the deficit by $6 trillion over 10 years and includes cuts in both Medicare and Medicaid spending. "This is the only way these programs can hope to survive and function into the future," Ryan said. Reince Priebus, the new chairman of the Republican National Committee, said Medicare will go bankrupt in nine years but Obama's budget proposals continue to put Medicare and Social Security on "unsustainable" paths.

Republicans have made similar arguments before in taking on entitlement programs, and their efforts have often been futile. President George W. Bush tried to partially privatize Social Security during his second term and expended considerable political capital, but got nowhere.

All sides know that seniors vote in high numbers and their votes will be critical both nationally and in swing states such as Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, and Virginia.

That's why there is so much at stake in the debate over Medicare and Medicaid. It could determine not only the shape of these two basic social programs, but also the next president and who controls Congress for the foreseeable future.

 

04/30/11 8:56 AM

Palin Making Noise Again; Will She Run In 2012?

This parasitic bitch is a political leech and firmly planting herself on Donald Trump's ass.

 

04/30/11 8:00 PM

RhettButler posted:
Seniors Key Voters in 2012 Presidential Election
There is much at stake in the debate over Medicare and Medicaid

By Kenneth T. Walsh

One of the biggest battlegrounds in the ongoing war over the budget focuses on winning support from seniors. And increasingly, all sides are playing upon fear.

Click here to find out more!

The political upshot is that the Republicans are in danger of jeopardizing what had been a strong position with seniors going into the 2012 campaign. GOP candidates carried a majority of voters 65 and older in the 2010 elections. But the Republicans' position could be eroded because the new GOP budget in the House includes a controversial overhaul of both Medicare and Medicaid, two programs that are very popular with the elderly. This gives Democrats a huge target as the 2012 campaign begins.

[See photos of the Obamas behind the scenes.]

The GOP budget blueprint, endorsed by the Republican majority in the House, would make Medicaid, which goes mostly to the poor, into a block grant program with the federal government sending money directly to the states, which would then decide how to spend it. The GOP plan also would make Medicare, the main medical program for retired people, into a voucher system in which the government would provide subsidies or vouchers aimed at encouraging people to buy private health insurance. This would replace the current government-run system.

But polls show that most older voters support little or no change in these programs. And the opposition extends well beyond the elderly. Seventy-eight percent of all Americans oppose cutting spending on Medicare in order to reduce the national debt and 69 percent oppose cutting Medicaid, according to the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll.

An example of the hot rhetoric came from Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, the incoming chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee. She recently said the GOP's budget proposal represents a "death trap" for seniors. Wasserman Schultz said the changes would put seniors' lives at risk because they couldn't get the care they need. More broadly, the DNC and some organizations representing government employees and retired people have been attacking the House GOP's economic blueprint for unfairly targeting seniors. These groups say seniors would have to pay much more for inadequate medical coverage under the overhaul.

This drumbeat of criticism will only get more intense. And President Obama is doing his part to keep up the pressure. "Medicare is one of the most important pillars of our social safety net," he said during a town hall meeting at Northern Virginia Community College last week. He referred to an estimate by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office that under the GOP plan "seniors would end up paying twice as much for their healthcare as they are currently. At least twice as much. . . . Now, I think that is the wrong way to go. That would fundamentally change Medicare as we know it, and I'm not going to sign up for that."

Meanwhile, the Republicans say it is Obama and the Democrats who are on the wrong track for failing to do enough to keep Medicare and Medicaid solvent and for planning to raise taxes. Rep. Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, chairman of the House Budget Committee, says seniors will be in big trouble under the status quo supported by Democrats because the current system is going broke. Ryan, who authored the House GOP's plan, aims to cut the deficit by $6 trillion over 10 years and includes cuts in both Medicare and Medicaid spending. "This is the only way these programs can hope to survive and function into the future," Ryan said. Reince Priebus, the new chairman of the Republican National Committee, said Medicare will go bankrupt in nine years but Obama's budget proposals continue to put Medicare and Social Security on "unsustainable" paths.

Republicans have made similar arguments before in taking on entitlement programs, and their efforts have often been futile. President George W. Bush tried to partially privatize Social Security during his second term and expended considerable political capital, but got nowhere.

All sides know that seniors vote in high numbers and their votes will be critical both nationally and in swing states such as Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, and Virginia.

That's why there is so much at stake in the debate over Medicare and Medicaid. It could determine not only the shape of these two basic social programs, but also the next president and who controls Congress for the foreseeable future.

As things stand now, the Medicare Part D plans are some of the outright worst RX coverage plans I have ever seen in my life. There are more than a few which have placed unreasonable plan limitations on fucking maintenance drugs like PPIs.

Of course, the conservatives use this as a verse in their "private is better lol" mantra, but the fact of the matter is, for people over sixty-five, getting insured through a private company is practically impossible. For elderly people who already are on commercial insurance (perhaps through their former employers), staying insured can be just as difficult... especially as they get up in age and in the cost of their medications increase.

... oh, and did I mention Medicare Part D plans are actually offered through and administered by private insurance companies?

However, this isn't going to affect simply seniors. This will affect hundreds of thousands, if not millions, workaday Americans. Those seniors who will be hit hardest by these cutbacks will be those living in nursing homes and long term care facilities. Generally, these seniors' finances are handled by their children or nearest kin. If the government starts hacking away at medical and pharmacy benefits for seniors in these kinds of facilities, they will increase the financial burden on their children... who have the luxury to get out and vote on election day.

 

04/30/11 8:21 PM

Yet it is the Republicans, thanks in large part to Caribou Barbie, who continue to bang the "death panel" drum to turn those frightened seniors, not to mention the not-to-bright non-seniors, away from the healthcare reform bill.

 

05/01/11 8:50 AM

Riktor posted:
As things stand now, the Medicare Part D plans are some of the outright worst RX coverage plans I have ever seen in my life.

Not me. I pay more for my son's meds per Rx with his coverage than on my self w/Medicare pt. D. I have traditional Medicare and no secondary coverage.

I am looking at my EOB right now and it says out of the $2000.00 for my meds (excluding pain meds which are covered by workers comp) for the first quarter, I paid $26.00. That's for 6 daily "maintenance meds" and 4 other meds for other unexpected illnesses since Jan. 1. I pay $25.00 a month for just one of my son's meds and he has three he takes almost daily.

I'll admit, their formulary list is lacking...but sometimes you have to be creative and find alternatives like I did when Dolgic Plus (a medication for migraines) was prescribed and not covered, so I found the generic alternative. There are some drugs that even generic is not covered so I use my county's discount card (available to ALL residents) on those or they fall under the $4.00 deal by some pharmacies. Then there are drugs, such as my hypertension and cholesterol meds, that are 100% covered.

Anyway, this whole SSI/SSDI and Medicare is a very important issue for me. I didn't imagine it would be in my 40's...but you never know what life has in store for you and at what age. People are amazed that I don't have a secondary/Gap plan...but the Medicare coverage is actually better than any employer provider insurance I've ever had. ETA: There is a big difference between what docs/etc charge Medicare patients vs. what they charge everyone else. With my plan, I pay 20% after my $190 yearly deductible. I was charged $148 on a $10,000 ER bill after Medicare got their hands on it...that's far from 20%.



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05/01/11 10:33 AM

I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall....

White House Correspondents Dinner: Obama Takes On Trump, Birthers, The Media, And More

WASHINGTON - President Barack Obama exercised his revenge Saturday after weeks of attacks from his would-be Republican challenger Donald Trump, joking that the billionaire businessman could bring change to the White House, transforming it from a stately mansion into a tacky casino with a whirlpool in the garden.

With Trump in attendance, Obama used the White House Correspondents' Association annual dinner to mock the reality TV star's presidential ambitions. The president said Trump has shown the acumen of a future president, from firing Gary Busey on a recent episode of "Celebrity Apprentice" to focusing so much time on conspiracy theories about Obama's birthplace.

After a week when Obama released his long-form Hawaii birth certificate, he said Trump could now focus on the serious issues, from whether the moon landing actually happened to "where are Biggie and Tupac?"

"No one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than 'the Donald,'" Obama said, referring to Trump's claims the same day that he was responsible for solving the issue.

For Trump's decision to fire actor Busey instead of rock singer Meat Loaf from his TV show earlier this month, Obama quipped: "These are the types of decisions that would keep me up at night. Well handled, sir."

Trump chuckled at some of the earlier jokes, but was clearly less amused as comedian Seth Meyers picked up where Obama left off.

"Donald Trump often talks about running as a Republican, which is surprising," said the Saturday Night Live actor, entrusted with providing some of the comedy for the evening. "I just assumed he was running as a joke."

Trump stared icily at Meyers as he continued to criticize the real estate tycoon.

The two men found themselves in the same room after an intense week of attacks from Trump, who has piggybacked on the birther conspiracies and even Obama's refusal to release his university grades to raise the profile of his possible presidential bid.

And the birth certificate was clearly the key punchline for the evening, which typically offers the president a chance to show off his humorous side and a town consumed by politics and partisanship to enjoy a light-hearted affair.

Obama's presentation started after the wrestler Hulk Hogan's patriotic anthem, "Real American," played. Images of Americana from Mount Rushmore to Uncle Sam were shown on the screen, alongside his birth certificate. And then he offered to show his live birth video, which turned out to be a clip from the Disney film, "The Lion King."

On the serious side, Obama took time to thank the troops for their service overseas and noted that the people of the South, especially Alabama, have suffered heart-wrenching losses.

"The devastation is unimaginable and it is heartbreaking," he said. He encouraged the journalists in the room to help tell the stories of those who have been hurt by the storms and saluted those who lost their lives while covering the news.

Other possible Republican presidential hopefuls in attendance were former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman, Rep. Michele Bachmann and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich. And stars such as Sean Penn and Scarlett Johansson also were among the 3,000 people who attended.

The association was formed in 1914 as a liaison between the press and the president. Every president since Calvin Coolidge has attended the dinner. Some of the proceeds from the dinner pay for journalism scholarships for college students.



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