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12/03/11 2:59 PM

Riktor posted:

I for one am shocked.

 

12/03/11 4:35 PM

Rhett, surely you are being facetious.

 

12/03/11 7:08 PM

GOP threw one of their own under the bus.

 

12/03/11 8:13 PM

They'll throw them all under the bus until there is only one standing.

 

12/04/11 6:49 AM

JoePearson posted:
GOP threw one of their own under the bus.

No one threw him under the bus, he did this to himself. If you want to be a "family values" kind of guy, maybe you shouldn't lie about having a mistress and maybe you shouldn't be a sexual predator making unwanted sexual overtures towards people.

 

12/04/11 6:50 AM

Newt’s War on Poor Children
By CHARLES M. BLOW
Published: December 2, 2011

Newt Gingrich has reached a new low, and that is hard for him to do.

Nearly two weeks after claiming that child labor laws are “truly stupid” and implying that poor children should be put to work as janitors in their schools, he now claims that poor children don’t understand work unless they’re doing something illegal.

On Thursday, at a campaign stop in Iowa, the former House speaker said, “Start with the following two facts: Really poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and have nobody around them who works. So they literally have no habit of showing up on Monday. They have no habit of staying all day. They have no habit of ‘I do this and you give me cash’ unless it’s illegal.” (His second “fact” was that every first generational person he knew started work early.)

This statement isn’t only cruel and, broadly speaking, incorrect, it’s mind-numbingly tone-deaf at a time when poverty is rising in this country. He comes across as a callous Dickensian character in his attitude toward America’s most vulnerable — our poor children. This is the kind of statement that shines light on the soul of a man and shows how dark it is.

Gingrich wants to start with the facts? O.K.

First, as I’ve pointed out before, three out of four poor working-aged adults — ages 18 to 64 — work. Half of them have full-time jobs and a quarter work part time.

Furthermore, according to an analysis of census data by Andrew A. Beveridge, a sociologist at Queens College, most poor children live in a household where at least one parent is employed. And even among children who live in extreme poverty — defined here as a household with income less than 50 percent of the poverty level — a third have at least one working parent. And even among extremely poor children who live in extremely poor areas — those in which 30 percent or more of the population is poor — nearly a third live with at least one working parent.

For this analysis, the most granular national data available — census areas with 100,000 or more people — were compared. For reference, New York City has 55 of these areas. You’d have to slice the definition of neighborhoods rather thinly to find a few areas that support Gingrich’s position.

Lastly, Gingrich vastly overreaches by suggesting that a lack of money universally correlates to a lack of morals. Yes, poverty presents increased risk factors for crime. But, encouragingly, data show that even as more Americans have fallen into poverty in recent years, the crime rate over all — and, specifically, among juveniles — has dropped.

“Facts” are not Gingrich’s forte. Yet he is now the Republican front-runner. It just goes to show how bankrupt of compassion and allergic to accuracy that party is becoming.

 

12/04/11 8:47 PM

I don't know why more people don't "get" what's glaringly obvious - those in power have so much of it they're completely out of touch with the reality of the majority. They see "real Americans" as their friends, and you ain't one of them, so you must be a lazy, freeloading communist. In their view "real Americans" own companies, are investors, bankers and oil magnates, so those are the people they'll twist the law to serve. And who gets screwed? You, like Joe Pesci at the drive-thru.

They're dividing this country into rich & poor, and the tragedy is they're using us to do it, evidenced by the polar-politics of our day - everyone's either all right or all wrong. No room for nuanced opinions anymore. The only way I can think of for my family to survive is make sure I'm in a higher tax bracket ASAP. And, of course, continue to subvert the system through my art & daily actions.

 

12/05/11 9:23 AM

alaindominic posted:
...And, of course, continue to subvert the system through my art & daily actions.

Ahh, good ol' Project Mayhem.

 

12/05/11 5:18 PM

HurtNoMore posted:
alaindominic posted:
...And, of course, continue to subvert the system through my art & daily actions.

Ahh, good ol' Project Mayhem.

Hmmm... interesting idea. I'm sure we could all use some help, and I'm sure there'd be a lot of creative and worthwhile homework assignments with a fan base such as Trent's...

 

12/05/11 6:41 PM

Newt's in the lead..May God help us all...

 

12/05/11 8:13 PM

Michelle Bachmann wants to close the US Embassy to Iran...

... unfortunately for her, she's about thirty years too late.

The Republicans, as always, are fielding a host of intelligent would-be leaders.

 

12/06/11 7:28 PM

Carlin, you are severely missed...

[m.youtube.com]

Sorry, link paste won't work on M'damn phone.

 

12/06/11 8:11 PM

alaindominc, I suspect this is the clip you're looking for: [www.youtube.com]

 

12/06/11 9:50 PM

Riktor posted:
Michelle Bachmann wants to close the US Embassy to Iran...

... unfortunately for her, she's about thirty years too late.

The Republicans, as always, are fielding a host of intelligent would-be leaders.

Belongs there with "the founding fathers fought tooth and nail to abolish slavery."

 

12/07/11 3:44 PM

Check out Rick Perry's new ad (video in link)

“I’m not ashamed to admit that I’m a Christian,” the Texas governor says in the ad. “But you don’t have to be in the pew every Sunday to know that there’s something wrong in this country when gays can serve openly in the military, but our kids can’t openly celebrate Christmas or pray in school. As president, I’ll end Obama’s war on religion, and I’ll fight against liberal attacks on our religious heritage.”

 

12/07/11 7:29 PM

RhettButler posted:
Check out Rick Perry's new ad (video in link)

“I’m not ashamed to admit that I’m a Christian,” the Texas governor says in the ad. “But you don’t have to be in the pew every Sunday to know that there’s something wrong in this country when gays can serve openly in the military, but our kids can’t openly celebrate Christmas or pray in school. As president, I’ll end Obama’s war on religion, and I’ll fight against liberal attacks on our religious heritage.”

Awesome.... so let's just take a step backwards right? I hate how all these Christian candidates are so self righteous about everything. Oh, and by the way, for the record there is no laws or rules against praying in school or talking about Christmas or any of that. But isn't it great that they think that just because the whole world won't bow down to their God and celebrate their holiday that somehow there is a war against them.... I really hope this guy Rick Perry is NOT elected.

 

12/10/11 10:24 AM

MattWeeke posted:
RhettButler posted:
Check out Rick Perry's new ad (video in link)

“I’m not ashamed to admit that I’m a Christian,” the Texas governor says in the ad. “But you don’t have to be in the pew every Sunday to know that there’s something wrong in this country when gays can serve openly in the military, but our kids can’t openly celebrate Christmas or pray in school. As president, I’ll end Obama’s war on religion, and I’ll fight against liberal attacks on our religious heritage.”

Awesome.... so let's just take a step backwards right? I hate how all these Christian candidates are so self righteous about everything. Oh, and by the way, for the record there is no laws or rules against praying in school or talking about Christmas or any of that. But isn't it great that they think that just because the whole world won't bow down to their God and celebrate their holiday that somehow there is a war against them.... I really hope this guy Rick Perry is NOT elected.

Rick Perry's going nowhere fast.

But it doesn't matter, really. Every single one of these Republican candidates is a bible-humping, evolution-denying, gay-bashing bigot. There are no exceptions. They only differ in whether or not they're making it the primary focus of their campaign.

Ron Paul, contrary to the Constitution he professes to love so much, believes local governments should allow school-sponsored prayer, if they so choose. Newt Gingich believes Americans are "exceptional", granted special powers by God to enact his will on earth. Michelle Bachmann uses federal grant money to run a "pray-the-gay-away" "clinic". Mitt Romney professes absolute faith in that cadre of fraudulent whack-jocks which dumped millions of dollars into passing Prop 8 here in California.

This is what the "Grand Old Party" has become. In a mere thirty years, they have gone from the party of classical liberalism to the Anti-Intellectual Theocratic Party of the United States of Straight People. Unsurprisingly, their portfolio of potential candidates are either solidly inept or chest-beating bullies, or both.

 

12/10/11 11:45 AM

 

12/10/11 12:06 PM

The thought of having to try to get excited about yet another minor quadrennial shift in the direction of one or the other pole of alienating corporate full-of-shitness is enough to make anyone want to smash his own hand flat with a hammer. vote green party 2012!

[www.thedailyshow.com] and watch this - U.S. government loaned banks $7.7 trillion in secret bailout funds at 0.01% interest and then borrowed the money back at interest. vote green party

 

12/10/11 5:13 PM

Here are some more "Perry" ads

 

12/10/11 8:32 PM

[quote Riktor]Awesome.... so let's just take a step backwards right? I hate how all these Christian candidates are so self righteous about everything. Oh, and by the way, for the record there is no laws or rules against praying in school or talking about Christmas or any of that. But isn't it great that they think that just because the whole world won't bow down to their God and celebrate their holiday that somehow there is a war against them.... I really hope this guy Rick Perry is NOT elected.[/quote]

Rick Perry's going nowhere fast.

But it doesn't matter, really. Every single one of these Republican candidates is a bible-humping, evolution-denying, gay-bashing bigot. There are no exceptions. They only differ in whether or not they're making it the primary focus of their campaign.

Ron Paul, contrary to the Constitution he professes to love so much, believes local governments should allow school-sponsored prayer, if they so choose. Newt Gingich believes Americans are "exceptional", granted special powers by God to enact his will on earth. Michelle Bachmann uses federal grant money to run a "pray-the-gay-away" "clinic". Mitt Romney professes absolute faith in that cadre of fraudulent whack-jocks which dumped millions of dollars into passing Prop 8 here in California.

This is what the "Grand Old Party" has become. In a mere thirty years, they have gone from the party of classical liberalism to the Anti-Intellectual Theocratic Party of the United States of Straight People. Unsurprisingly, their portfolio of potential candidates are either solidly inept or chest-beating bullies, or both.[/quote]

Truth.

 

12/12/11 11:14 AM

This election is gonna be no fun at all if the Republican JV squad can't get their act together.

 

12/12/11 11:10 PM

Who wants to bet 10,000 bucks that Mitt Romney won't win the GOP nomination?

 

12/13/11 1:10 PM

RhettButler posted:
Who wants to bet 10,000 bucks that Mitt Romney won't win the GOP nomination?

If not him, then who?

Is Bob Dole dead yet? If not, then maybe he can enter and give them a "lift".

 

12/13/11 1:59 PM

It was a joke, given Romney's recent comment about a ten thousand dollar bet. It will be either him or, shrug, Gingrich.

 

12/13/11 3:25 PM

RhettButler posted:
It was a joke, given Romney's recent comment about a ten thousand dollar bet. It will be either him or, shrug, Gingrich.

I thought you were going for the double entendre...

 

12/14/11 8:32 AM

Romney blasts Gingrich as ‘extremely unreliable’ conservative leader
By Dan Balz and Philip Rucker, Published: December 13

BOSTON — Mitt Romney blasted Republican presidential rival Newt Gingrich on Tuesday as an “extremely unreliable leader in the conservative world” who has taken positions in the campaign that should give GOP voters pause as they consider their choices for the party’s nomination.

Romney, in an interview with The Washington Post, offered some of his toughest criticism to date of the politician whose sudden rise in the polls has made him, at least for now, the front-runner for the nomination. He also had tough words for President Obama and his campaign, saying he would not let them portray him as a tool of Wall Street and calling the president “a member of the 1 percent.”

But Romney also acknowledged that he has not always been in step with conservatives and said that he was “wrong” not to sign Gingrich’s 1994 Contract with America when he was running for a Senate seat in Massachusetts.

Romney’s effort to portray Gingrich as unreliably conservative signals a new and sharper strategy to blunt the former speaker’s momentum and to raise doubts about him in the eyes of voters who may be examining him closely for the first time in the campaign.

The former Massachusetts governor once was seen as at least a nominal front-runner in the Republican race but now finds himself trailing Gingrich in a number of states with early contests, as well as nationally.

Defending himself against charges that his own conservative credentials are suspect, Romney turned the question in Gingrich’s direction and said that it is the former House speaker who has strayed repeatedly from embracing conservative doctrine in recent years.

“He has been an extraordinarily unreliable leader in the conservative world — not 16 or 17 years ago but in the last two to three years,” Romney said. “And even during the campaign, the number of times he has moved from one spot to another has been remarkable. I think he’s shown a level of unreliability as a conservative leader today.”

Romney repeatedly cited what Gingrich has said about the Medicare reform proposal offered by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan. Earlier this year Gingrich dismissed it as “right-wing social engineering,” and in an interview released Tuesday he called the plan political “suicide,” given its limited public support.

Romney also opened a new line of attack by personally criticizing Gingrich for having made a television commercial in 2008 with Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), then the House speaker and now the minority leader, promoting a campaign against global warming.

“Let’s look at the record,” he said. “When Republicans were fighting for cap and trade and needed a leader to stand up against cap and trade, he did an ad with Nancy Pelosi about global warming. When Republicans took one of the most courageous votes I’ve seen in at least a decade to call for the reform of Medicare under the Paul Ryan plan, he goes public and says this is a ‘right-wing social engineering’ plan. Even today he called it ‘suicide.’?”

Romney’s campaign plans to escalate the attack on Gingrich over his work with Pelosi on climate issues with a video that will be released Wednesday, a campaign official said.

The 35-minute interview came as Romney was preparing for Thursday’s debate in Iowa, a crucial follow-on to the forum held Saturday night in Des Moines. The debate will be the last before the Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3. Romney shucked his suit coat for the interview, appearing relaxed in a white shirt and blue tie.

Romney acknowledged that in 1994, when Gingrich was leading the campaign that resulted in a Republican takeover of the House and Senate and he was running a losing race for the Senate seat held by Edward M. Kennedy (Mass.), the two were at odds, with Romney out of step with conservative doctrine and strategy.

Romney declined to sign the Contract With America, the Gingrich-led campaign manifesto for GOP candidates that fall. In a debate with Kennedy in the fall of 1994, Romney also distanced himself from the administration of President Ronald Reagan, claiming “I was an independent” during those years.

“I applaud the fact that he was wise in crafting the Contract With America,” Romney said of Gingrich on Tuesday. “I didn’t think it was a very good political step. He was right; I was wrong.”

He also said his “admiration and respect for the policies of Ronald Reagan has grown deeper and deeper” over time.

But he acknowledged that some Republicans question whether he is authentically conservative and said he must do a better job to convince them that he is.

“There are some elements that create the impression that I may not be a conservative,” Romney said. “One is being from Massachusetts. The other is a health-care plan that people feel was in some ways a model for what Barack Obama did. .?.?. People, I think, question those conservative values, and I have to bring them back to my record and, frankly, my writings.”

With Gingrich surging, Romney was asked to describe his path to the nomination. “Eleven hundred and fifty delegates, approximately,” he replied with a laugh. Asked whether he had to win Iowa or New Hampshire or other early states, he demurred. “I don’t have to win anything other than 1,150 delegates.”

He said that he would be surprised if he did not win Massachusetts and Utah and that he hopes to win New Hampshire. “Right now I’ve got a good lead in New Hampshire — I hope to maintain a lead there and to win,” he said. “But I think it’ll be a close race in New Hampshire.”

Romney sketched out elements that could prolong the race. He said he was not certain that lack of money would knock candidates out of the race this year, even if they sustained early losses. “I think it’s also possible that this will go on for a longer period of time than prior Republican primaries, in part because of the rule change toward proportional awards of delegates,” he said.

An NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll released Tuesday night showed Gingrich with the highest percentage of any Republican to date but with potential problems in a general election. Romney acknowledged that Gingrich is currently the front-runner, but he predicted that his rival could face serious scrutiny from voters who have been looking for an ideal candidate and said that could affect his standing with the voters.

“Speaker Gingrich was at single digits for a long time, suddenly jumps to a lead — that doesn’t suggest a very thorough examination led to that level of support, rather an expectation of an ideal candidate, and he may or may not be able to fulfill that expectation,” he said.

Romney also addressed what many analysts consider a clear vulnerability: the fact that he has not been able to expand his support in the national polls much above 25 percent. He put a positive gloss on the numbers. “I’ve been either in the lead or second in the rankings pretty much all year, and that suggests a level of stability that I hope is able to be built upon in the contests themselves,” he said.

At times, Romney appeared to pull his punches with Gingrich. He was asked about a moment in Saturday’s debate during a discussion of the former speaker’s characterization of the Palestinians as an “invented” people. Romney said that night that he was not a bomb thrower “rhetorically or literally.”

“I wasn’t referring to the speaker,” he said. “I was referring to myself. I said I was not a bomb thrower. I don’t think I would’ve said that he is a bomb thrower. I don’t think I would’ve said that. What I would’ve said is that I am a person of sobriety, steadiness, patience, and act in a deliberate way to protect America’s interests and that of our allies.”

But he quickly returned to Ryan’s Medicare proposal. He said entitlement reform is “one of the most defining issues of conservatism today” and attacked Gingrich again on the subject.

“I think his comment on the Paul Ryan plan was an intemperate comment. I think him calling it suicide is a mistake. I know it can be popular with some people to use extreme language, but we’re talking about the presidency of the United States, and if one says intemperate things in a campaign, might one say the same kinds of things in the White House? And the consequences are potentially severe.”

As the interview concluded, Romney addressed the general election and attacks that have begun from the Obama team. He said he believed he would be the strongest candidate and offered a preview of how he would defend himself.

“I believe the question on the minds of the American people will be whether or not President Obama’s policies have failed and are likely to continue failing them,” he said. “I do not believe class warfare and demonization of an individual or a percentage of Americans is the course for building a greater America. This is a president who talked about bringing America together. Is he going to run a campaign based on tearing America apart?”

 

12/14/11 8:36 AM

 

12/16/11 12:11 PM

Why Obama should worry about Newt
By: Glenn Thrush
December 16, 2011 01:28 PM EST

The prevailing attitude among many Democrats is that Newt Gingrich 2012 is the best thing to come down the pike since - well, Newt Gingrich 1996.

“We’re looking at 1964 or 1972” if the former speaker is the GOP’s pick, predicted one top Democratic strategist, recalling two incumbent landslides.

Gingrich’s liabilities are ample and amply documented. There’s the infamous lack of personal or professional discipline, the absence of campaign infrastructure, the marital infidelities and political intemperance — this is the man who had an affair while helping to impeach Bill Clinton for having an affair. Oh, and he just happened to collect $1.6 million from reviled mortgage giant Freddie Mac in nebulously defined consulting fees.

Most of those around President Barack Obama would still prefer to take on Gingrich rather than the better funded and organized Romney. But if Romney is a conventional enemy, Gingrich poses an asymetrical threat: He’s simply a more dangerous, talented and unpredictable political actor than Romney.

“Romney is playing not to lose and Newt thinks he has nothing to lose,” says Phil Singer, a former adviser to Hillary Clinton in 2008. “He’s facile enough to sound convincing on almost anything and has the gift of framing complex issues in their simplest terms… He’s more dangerous as a surrogate than a candidate, but he’s still dangerous.”

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, in a “Morning Joe” appearance Thursday, said Gingrich was flawed, but shouldn’t be underestimated: “I think Newt has his set of vulnerabilities, but [he’s] more consistent… with real ideas, like Ronald Reagan,” he said. “I remember the Carter White House just dying for Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan was the dumb actor, said incendiary things.”

Given the volatility of the Republican race, it’s not clear if Gingrich has already peaked after the relentless attacks by Romney and his other Republican opponents this week, not to mention the frantic warnings from the GOP establishment that he will rescue defeat from the jaws of victory for the GOP if he is nominated in 2012. But here are four reasons the Obama team should not take Gingrich for granted:

Newt’s Brain. Obama’s senior campaign adviser David Axelrod coined one of the most memorable lines of the cycle earlier this week when he described to reporters the renewed scrutiny Gingrich faces as front-runner.

“I told my colleagues yesterday a bit of homespun wisdom that I got from an alderman in Chicago some years ago: A candidate, and one of his colleagues wanted to run for higher office, and he was really dubious,” Axelrod said. “He said, ‘Just remember the higher a monkey climbs on a pole the more you could see his butt.’ So you know, the speaker is very high on the pole right now and we’ll see how people like the view.’”

Nonetheless, Obama would likely find himself occupied with the other end of Newt.

One of Obama’s great advantages over his potential GOP opponents has been a “brain gap,” the sense that, for all his failings, Obama has greater intellectual firepower than most Republicans in the race.

Both Romney and Gingrich are mostly exempt from that description, but of Obama’s two most likely opponents, Gingrich is the closest thing to an idea factory in this race, with a record of actually supporting bipartisan agreements, from welfare reform with Bill Clinton in the 1990s to a medical modernization campaign with Hillary Rodham Clinton a decade later.

Democratic strategists not associated with the Obama campaign see this as a possible problem for Obama. Chicago will likely attack Gingrich’s more radical ideas — three government shutdowns in the 1990s, proposed cuts to Medicare, education, etc. But they can’t portray him as a “party of no” dolt who doesn’t know Medicare from Medicaid or that we don’t have an actual embassy in Iran. In fact, on any given issue, he might know more than the president himself.

The flip side? The “zany” factor, i.e. Gingrich’s obsession with futuristic or downright odd, like the possibility of an electromagnetic pulse attack.

He fires up the base. For now. It may be the anybody-but-Mitt glow, but the GOP base, which turned on Gingrich a decade ago, has now made him their champion.

Axelrod sees a “Martini Party” vs. “Tea Party” split in the GOP, but Gingrich seems comfortable sipping both beverages.

At the moment, he enjoys a 15-to-20 point lead over Romney among self-described conservatives. If the general election is as tight as expected that could make a big difference, especially in the south — especially North Carolina, Virginia and his some-time home state of Georgia, which Obama has had hopes of winning.

Things could all change with greater scrutiny, but one Democratic strategist says Gingrich’s ability to embrace the GOP’s moneyed class while still retaining his damn-D.C. rebel rhetoric is what makes him most dangerous.

His more moderate moves haven’t much impressed independents — and his language on abortion hasn’t always pleased anti-abortion activists (In 2005, he said he backed banning the procedure but said he didn’t know the best way to do so). But that still puts him in better standing than Romney, who used to be an enthusiastic backer of abortion rights.

“Newt is kind of his own ideology,” says veteran GOP consultant Rob Collins, former chief of staff to House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.). “He’s been almost indefinable over a 30-year-career. He’s been able to define himself issue-by-issue because he’s so persuasive… He’s re-invented himself three times. He should terrorize the Obama campaign.”

Newt’s mouth. Any Republican can say nasty stuff about Obama, but no one — including Romney — seems to enjoy it quite so much or deliver the attacks with such uninhibited, almost child-like glee.

Obama is a polished debater, thanks to a couple of dozen nasty rounds with Hillary Clinton and John McCain. But he’s never really faced the kind of wild haymakers Gingrich throws. And while the former speaker will have plenty of chances to implode, he could also force Obama into a major mistake.

Despite his reputation as an unfiltered hothead, his performances in debates — take last night’s scrum in Iowa — have been cool, effective and deft on defense. When Michele Bachmann savaged him on Freddie Mac, he shot back, “I have never once changed my positions because of any kind of payment.” When Rick Santorum challenged him on his conservative credentials, he hopped in the GOP way-back machine: “I think on the conservative thing, it’s sort of laughable to suggest that somebody who campaigned with Ronald Reagan and with Jack Kemp and has had a 30-year record of conservatism is somehow not a conservative.”

Obama has never faced an opponent with such a gift for phrase-making and memorable, bumper-sticker vitriol beloved by talk radio.

A Gingrich sampler: Obama is “the most radical president in American history.”

“Obama’s alliance with big labor and the left as a “secular-socialist machine.”

The “@#$%&” president’s Windy City re-election organization as an extension of a “Chicago” machine run from the West Wing out of touch with regular America.

“No one’s going to hit Obama harder than Newt, and isn’t that what we want our guy to do?” asks one senior Republican strategist active in Senate campaigns — and no fan of the former speaker’s. “I think the Democrats should have a healthy dose of fear for Gingrich. You can’t underestimate this guy, he’s gone from disgraced speaker - a joke really - to a legitimate front runner.”

The flip-side: He can come off as arrogant and hyperbolic. And Axelrod seems giddy about the comic possibilities of nailing him: “You all left him for dead at the checkout counter at Tiffany’s,” he told reporters.

Medicare/Immigration. Democrats will take aim at any GOP candidate for targeting Medicare in the ’90s, but he’s arguably harder to attack on that issue than Romney.

Despite his opposition to Obama’s health care legislation - and his call for Medicare reforms — he’s been a public advocate for health care reform and enthusiastically backed the Medicare D drug prescription plan, anathema to fiscal conservatives but wildly popular with seniors.

But his most important credential in a general election may be his famous rebuke of Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan’s plan to turn Medicare into a voucher program — which he slammed as “right-wing social engineering.”

Romney, who embraced the Ryan plan as a step in the right direction, has used Gingrich’s words as an attack line, hoping to undercut the former speaker’s support among tea party conservatives. But if Gingrich prevails, defending Medicare could be a big plus in places like Florida, Ohio and western Pennsylvania, places he’ll need to win.

And he’s even cleaned himself up with Ryan, a hero to fiscal conservatives, calling a more moderate proposal sponsored by the House budget committee chairman and Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.), a “breakthrough.”

Then there’s immigration.

Gingrich, like every other Republican candidate, fares poorly with Hispanic voters — and he backs Arizona’s right to implement its controversial immigration law. But he’ll be harder to demonize than Romney: He essentially embraces the GOP’s pre-2008 immigration position — no amnesty, but no mass deportations either — and his call for a “humane” solution to the problem, including the creation of a “Red Card” that makes undocumented immigrants legal while not offering them a path to citizenship.

 

12/16/11 2:38 PM

It'll be way too easy to run negative adds on Gingrich. Bring him on.

Plus, it still looks like Gingrich is 6 to 1 dog right now.

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