House votes to scrap funds for Planned Parenthood
 

02/18/11 1:40 PM

LifeNews.com posted:
House Overwhelmingly Votes to Scrap Plannned Parenthood Funding
by Steven Ertelt | LifeNews.com | 2/18/11 3:13 PM

The House of Representatives today voted overwhelmingly to scrap funding for the Planned Parenthood abortion business and ensure it can’t receive any federal funds through any departments or programs.

House members approved the Pence amendment on a 240-185 vote with 9 Democrats joining most Republicans to support de-funding the abortion business. Another 7 Republicans sided with most all of the pro-abortion Democrats in the lower chamber in voting for the pro-abortion organization to receive taxpayer funds.

Congressman Mike Pence of Indiana was the main sponsor of the amendment, which prevents federal fnuding of Planned Parenthood’s national organization and 102 named affiliates.

“This afternoon’s vote is a victory for taxpayers and a victory for life. By banning federal funding to Planned Parenthood, Congress has taken a stand for millions of Americans who believe their tax dollars should not be used to subsidize the largest abortion provider in America,” he said after the vote. “I commend my colleagues in both parties for taking a stand for taxpayers and a stand for life. I encourage my colleagues in the Senate to support this legislation and end federal funding of Planned Parenthood once and for all.”

The Pence Amendment does not affect the funding level for any federal program. Instead, it disqualifies PPFA and its named affiliates from receiving any type of federal funds. Though some Democrats claimed the amendment is unconstitutional, in a 2010 ruling, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit rejected a claim that a similar law, cutting off federal funds for the organization ACORN and its affiliates, violated the Constitution’s Bill of Attainder Clause

The fight to stop Planned Parenthood funding is not over as the amendment is part of a continuing resolution bill needed to fund the federal government and the funding apparatus still faces Senate action and likely conference committee action — which could ultimately leave the amendment out of the final draft of the bill that goes to pro-abortion President Barack Obama.

Matt Smith, the president of Catholic Advocate, applauded the vote in comments to LifeNews.com.

“We need to get government spending under control to get our economy back on track,” he said. :If there is one industry in this country that should never receive a tax-payer subsidy, it is Planned Parenthood. Thank you to Congressman Pence and the House of Representatives for listening to the voice of the American people who do not want their tax dollars supporting the abortion business.”

The vote followed a terse debate which has pro-life lawmakers pointing out abuses at Planned Parenthood and abortion advocates accusing pro-life lawmakers of hurting women.

Pence led the way in fighting for the amendment to ensure that none of the federal funds in any program or department would go to the abortion business, which does more than 324,000 abortions annually and receives more than #363 million in federal, state and local taxpayer funds.

“I believe that ending an innocent human life is morally wrong,” Pence told his colleagues. “I also believe it is morally wrong to take the taxpayer dollars of millions of pro-life Americans and use them to fund organizations that provide and promote abortion-like Planned Parenthood of America.”

Abortion advocates said if Planned Parenthood loses its place at the government trough that women would be hurt.

"Planned Parenthood has provided health services to one in five American women," Rep. Nita Lowey of New york said.

Rep. Barbara lee of California called the amendment a “war on women” and Rep. Jan Schakowsky said Planned Parenthood “saves money and saves lives” by the non-abortion health care it offers and “now it not the time to restrict women’s access to health care.”

And rep. Gwen Moore of Wisconsin went as far as implying that it is better to have an abortion than make a child be forced to live “eating Ramen noodles” and “mayonnaise sandwiches.”

But Pence talked about the myriad of ways in which Planned Parenthood has been proven to exploit women.

“The headlines and years of investigations speak for themselves," he said. “In 2002, Planned Parenthood was found civilly liable in Arizona for failure to report statutory rape. In 2008 it violated reporting laws in Indiana and California. In 2009 it instructed a girl in Tennessee to lie about her age so she could get an abortion without her parents’ knowledge. Recently in California, Washington, New Jersey, and New York, Planned Parenthood clinics have been accused of fraudulent accounting or overbilling practices. And last week, undercover videos showed Planned Parenthood employees apparently willing to aid human sex traffickers by coaching them on how to falsify documents and secure secret abortions for their underage prostitutes."

“As the father of two teenage daughters, there are not words strong enough to portray my contempt of this pattern of apparent fraud and abuse by Planned Parenthood,” he said.

Rep. Jean Schmidt of Ohio said the idea of sexual abuse and Planned Parenthood centers covering up cases is not a potential, and mentioned a case in her state.

“Should we be providing America’s largest abortion provider taxpayer funding so it can keep its lights on so it can provide family planning on one side and abortions on the other?” Schmidt asked.

Rep. Michele Bachmann, a pro-life Republican from Minnesota, defended the Pence amendment and talked about how Planned Parenthood uses govt money to build fancy abortion centers. She noted how it does more abortions than anyone else and complained that Planned Parenthood centers "focus on political activity" at its federal-funded centers.

She also said Planned Parenthood should lose its nonprofit tax status because it is a $1 billion corporation that no longer operates as a nonprofit organization.

Congressman Joe Pitts of Pennsylvania also spoke in favor of the amendment and brought up the horror of the Kermit Gosnell abortion business as an example of what happens in the abortion industry.

The American Center for Law and Justice is one of the many pro-life groups that heavily lobbied members of Congress before the vote to support the amendment.

"There’s no better place to begin the budget cutting process, than putting a stop to funding Planned Parenthood," said Jay Sekulow, the group’s chief counsel, in comment to LifeNews.com. "It’s stunning that Planned Parenthood receives more than $360 million dollars a year in federal taxpayer funds."

“By receiving this windfall of federal funds, Planned Parenthood is able to free-up other resources enabling them to continue to promote and expand their pro-abortion agenda. The approval of the Pence Amendment in the House is long overdue and sends a strong message – American taxpayers are no longer willing to subsidize the nation’s largest abortion provider,” he said.

Penny Nance of Concerned Women for America added, "Planned Parenthood portrays itself as a provider of women’s health services and has created an image of community service that is at complete variance with reality. Just in the past couple of weeks, several undercover videos from LiveAction.org were released where Planned Parenthood employees were caught on videotape aiding and abetting a "pimp" in human sex trafficking and the exploitation of underage girls"

“Planned Parenthood is also facing 107 criminal charges, including 23 felony charges. It is unconscionable that the nation’s largest abortion provider, performing nearly 324,800 abortions according to its 2008-2009 annual report, receives $363 million of taxpayer monies,” she added.

Catholic Vote added, “Taxpayers provide Planned Parenthood $363 million a year. That means one-third of Planned Parenthood’s annual budget comes from the hard working Americans – including you and me! If our tax money is paying for salaries, or rent or other expenses, that frees up their other money to be spent on abortion.”

"And abortion is what Planned Parenthood does. They are responsible for nearly one-quarter, or over 324,000, abortions in the United States every year. It’s an outrage that taxpayers have to support Planned Parenthood," the group told LifeNews.com.

Yes, because everyone knows that the only thing Planned Parenthood does is provide abortions. eye rolling smiley

There is so much that actually needs to be done in congress, and yet the GOP is making their anti-abortion agenda a priority. How can anyone, including pro-lifers, think that the GOP focusing on abortions is the best course of action for the country right now?

Besides, Planned Parenthood is the primary way that low-income women and/or women without health insurance get the reproductive care they need. Whether is it check-ups or birth control or yes, even abortions, many women count on Planned Parenthood to exist and provide those services at little to no cost.

 

02/18/11 1:48 PM

^^One thing that makes me mad with this sort of reporting is the way it assumes anyone who wants women to be able to 'choose' as "pro-abortion" - absolutely nobody is pro-abortion when it isn't necessary, they just think desperate women should be able to choose.

I wish people would give more of a toss about the poor babies that are born into unbelievably shit situations and families - but of course once the poor sods are born, they are no longer the concern of the pro-lifers.

In the UK, though, everyone is entitled to free condoms / birth control, but I guess that isn't the case in the US? So someone like Planned Parenthood would be able to dole out contraception ?

 

02/18/11 2:33 PM

I despise the Republican party. Assholes.

 

02/18/11 2:45 PM

posted:
Legislation to defund Planned Parenthood, introduced by Rep. Mike Pence (R-Indiana), passed the House today with a vote of 240-185. In addition to stripping Planned Parenthood of federal funding, the amendment would also deny Title X funds to any reproductive health care organization or facility that also provides abortion—even though those funds cannot go toward abortion.

It’s unlikely that the amendment will pass the Senate. Dave Weigel points to a similar amendment that failed to make it into the Affordable Care Act because there weren’t enough senators on board.

Currently, no federal funds go toward Planned Parenthood’s abortion operation, which makes up about three percent of all of the services it provides. According to Planned Parenthood’s annual report, about 86 percent of the organization’s work is providing contraception, STD testing and treatment, and cancer screenings.

Source: [colorlines.com]

This is what disgusts me the most, and I hope is made very clear in the media in the next few days. Abortion is a tiny percentage of what the organization does, and that isn't what the federal funding is for. The stuff that is funded federally is both cost effective as preventative action and falls into the category of "things no-one can sanely be against." I can just about at a stretch accept that people can have a problem with contraception (a very big stretch), but how can anyone be opposed to cancer and STI tests for poor people?

 

02/18/11 7:58 PM

Abortion isn't the only service Planned Parenthood offers...

I'm not a fan of abortion but I think this is going to hurt some people in the future.

 

02/18/11 9:49 PM

wraith posted:
This is what disgusts me the most, and I hope is made very clear in the media in the next few days. Abortion is a tiny percentage of what the organization does, and that isn't what the federal funding is for. The stuff that is funded federally is both cost effective as preventative action and falls into the category of "things no-one can sanely be against." I can just about at a stretch accept that people can have a problem with contraception (a very big stretch), but how can anyone be opposed to cancer and STI tests for poor people?

I think the point is that it would force doctors and clinics to stop doing abortions in order to continue to receive funding for all those other things.

 

02/18/11 10:30 PM

That's not how I read it. It appears they have voted to scrap funding entirely. It won't pass anyway, and they probably know it. There's no way this would have received that many votes if the representatives thought that they'd have tO defend their vote a few years down the line after this had been brought into effect.

 

02/19/11 3:24 AM

Here in Australia we have the Family Planning Association. They advise people about all things related to family planning, contraception, and so forth, and abortion. They also arrange things like vasectomies and tubal ligation. They are not all about abortion.

 

02/19/11 8:18 AM

wraith posted:
That's not how I read it. It appears they have voted to scrap funding entirely. It won't pass anyway, and they probably know it. There's no way this would have received that many votes if the representatives thought that they'd have tO defend their vote a few years down the line after this had been brought into effect.

Planned Parenthood would get no funding at all, yes. But I think the part about denying Title X funding to other organizations and providers if they perform abortions is all about putting pressure on providers to stop doing abortions if they want to continue to receive funding.

 

02/19/11 8:50 AM

But on the upside, Gov. passed to continue funding Nascar!!!! Yeeeeehaaawwwwww!


Fuckers.

 

02/19/11 9:32 AM

Ah, I see what you're saying Jay. Title X aside, this would be a huge blow though. Assuming the figures reported are right, they currently do a quarter of all abortions, and that's only 3% of their operation, so that's a lot of cut funding to all the other reproductive health services they provide.

 

02/19/11 9:01 PM

More smoke and mirrors. Cut planned parenthood and the tea party fuckwads cheer in orgasmic reverie. Meanwhile, the defense budget continues to balloon and no money is saved, anywhere.

Don't blame the politicians. We know where they hold their cards. I blame idiot constituents.

 

02/19/11 10:59 PM

Riktor posted:
Don't blame the politicians. We know where they hold their cards. I blame idiot constituents.

I like this. It's very much "cool" at the moment to bash politicians and say they're all the same and all corrupt etc. A level of cynicism with public figures is good, but it seems really out of control right now. There is so much that could be done which I'm sure politicians would be happy to do, if it wasn't 90% sure to lose them their jobs. Look at the recent healthcare reform. It was moderate and hugely stripped back from what had been initially proposed. No independent study has shown any significant negative effects beyond a few small tweaks, the sort of things all new legislation require. Nevertheless, politicians all over the country who supported it got hammered before there had even been time for people to find out what the changes would actually mean in practice.

 

02/20/11 5:23 AM

Riktor posted:
More smoke and mirrors. Cut planned parenthood and the tea party fuckwads cheer in orgasmic reverie. Meanwhile, the defense budget continues to balloon and no money is saved, anywhere.

Don't blame the politicians. We know where they hold their cards. I blame idiot constituents.

I blame them both.

 

02/20/11 7:51 AM

OMS posted:
But on the upside, Gov. passed to continue funding Nascar!!!! Yeeeeehaaawwwwww!


Fuckers.

Glad you mentioned the NASCAR thing.

When the GOP is stressing the needs for budget cuts and the elimination of wasteful spending, the continued funding of a NASCAR car is a shining example of their hypocrisy.

Although maybe they just want to appeal to their low-income constituency where they think they can reach the greatest number of them...

 

02/20/11 1:02 PM

DRanged691 posted:
OMS posted:
But on the upside, Gov. passed to continue funding Nascar!!!! Yeeeeehaaawwwwww!


Fuckers.

Glad you mentioned the NASCAR thing.

When the GOP is stressing the needs for budget cuts and the elimination of wasteful spending, the continued funding of a NASCAR car is a shining example of their hypocrisy.

Although maybe they just want to appeal to their low-income constituency where they think they can reach the greatest number of them...

I'm not sure (and don't quote me) but I think the Nascar thing also has to do with military sponsorship...you know, trying to recruit some of the Nascar watching, mouth breathers to enlist by painting cars and such with logos and shit. (like we need that) So it all relates back to the military



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02/20/11 1:47 PM

yeah, it's the Pentagon that's sponsoring NASCAR, the overalls have "US Army" on them.

 

02/22/11 3:17 PM

The outcome was largely influenced by the shock discovery of a Planned Parenthood clinic using Pimps to coerce young women, and treat them as sex slaves:

More info here.

 

02/22/11 3:37 PM

johnnywatson posted:
The outcome was largely influenced by the shock discovery of a Planned Parenthood clinic using Pimps to coerce young women, and treat them as sex slaves:

More info here.

That video comes from a questionable at best source. Even if it were true, why should an entire organization be held accountable for the unethical actions of one employee who works at one of the lowest levels in the organization?

Planned Parenthood doesn't endorse sex trafficking in any way. In fact, they report anything that sounds suspiciously like sex trafficking to the FBI.

 

02/22/11 3:43 PM

Agree with all DRanged said. If we shut down every operation which had an employee behaving unethically there'd be nothing left. Every large institution has issues with corrupt employees. If they enourage their behavior and defend them, then that's a problem, but not even the crazies seem to be suggesting that is the case with PP.

 

02/22/11 4:14 PM

wraith posted:
Agree with all DRanged said. If we shut down every operation which had an employee behaving unethically there'd be nothing left. Every large institution has issues with corrupt employees. If they enourage their behavior and defend them, then that's a problem, but not even the crazies seem to be suggesting that is the case with PP.

Yeah, like with cops. It is no secret that there are corrupt cops out there. Would any sane person suggest that an entire department be shut down because of one corrupt cop? No. Would any sane person suggest that every police force in the country stop receiving tax payer money because of one corrupt officer somewhere? No, so why would any sane person make that argument about Planned Parenthood?

 

02/22/11 8:47 PM

johnnywatson posted:
The outcome was largely influenced by the shock discovery of a Planned Parenthood clinic using Pimps to coerce young women, and treat them as sex slaves:

More info here.

A video which has long since been dismissed as jackassery, but whatever.

 

02/22/11 9:41 PM

wraith posted:
Agree with all DRanged said. If we shut down every operation which had an employee behaving unethically there'd be nothing left. Every large institution has issues with corrupt employees. If they enourage their behavior and defend them, then that's a problem, but not even the crazies seem to be suggesting that is the case with PP.


Well there are 6 clinics which have been caught out so far (One in New Jersey, Four in Virginia, One in the Bronx). I'm thinking they aren't the only ones.

Participating in sex trafficking is a serious crime. For a government sponsored institution, it is not good enough.

Planned Parenthood needs to take a good look at itself before it deflects the blame onto others. They should modify their policies and processes to ensure these injustices don't happen again.

Maybe then, the US public can have the trust in them to continue offering their services in an ethical way.

 

02/22/11 10:13 PM

johnnywatson posted:
wraith posted:
Agree with all DRanged said. If we shut down every operation which had an employee behaving unethically there'd be nothing left. Every large institution has issues with corrupt employees. If they enourage their behavior and defend them, then that's a problem, but not even the crazies seem to be suggesting that is the case with PP.


Well there are 6 clinics which have been caught out so far (One in New Jersey, Four in Virginia, One in the Bronx). I'm thinking they aren't the only ones.

Participating in sex trafficking is a serious crime. For a government sponsored institution, it is not good enough.

Planned Parenthood needs to take a good look at itself before it deflects the blame onto others. They should modify their policies and processes to ensure these injustices don't happen again.

Maybe then, the US public can have the trust in them to continue offering their services in an ethical way.

Pardon me if I hold less of a regard for your opinion as other people who post here, but since you aren't in America, you really can't even begin to grasp what this means.

I've never been to Planned Parenthood because I've never had a need for it, but I know PLENTY of women who rely on it for many different reasons. For example, one of my co-workers goes to a Catholic college and would not be able to get birth control if it weren't for Planned Parenthood.

And how do YOU know for certain that there are Planned Parenthood clinics that PARTICIPATE in sex trafficking rings? Where is your evidence? Where is your PROOF?

 

02/22/11 11:39 PM

DRanged691 posted:
johnnywatson posted:
wraith posted:
Agree with all DRanged said. If we shut down every operation which had an employee behaving unethically there'd be nothing left. Every large institution has issues with corrupt employees. If they enourage their behavior and defend them, then that's a problem, but not even the crazies seem to be suggesting that is the case with PP.


Well there are 6 clinics which have been caught out so far (One in New Jersey, Four in Virginia, One in the Bronx). I'm thinking they aren't the only ones.

Participating in sex trafficking is a serious crime. For a government sponsored institution, it is not good enough.

Planned Parenthood needs to take a good look at itself before it deflects the blame onto others. They should modify their policies and processes to ensure these injustices don't happen again.

Maybe then, the US public can have the trust in them to continue offering their services in an ethical way.

Pardon me if I hold less of a regard for your opinion as other people who post here, but since you aren't in America, you really can't even begin to grasp what this means.

I've never been to Planned Parenthood because I've never had a need for it, but I know PLENTY of women who rely on it for many different reasons. For example, one of my co-workers goes to a Catholic college and would not be able to get birth control if it weren't for Planned Parenthood.

And how do YOU know for certain that there are Planned Parenthood clinics that PARTICIPATE in sex trafficking rings? Where is your evidence? Where is your PROOF?

Ok, well you are right that I'm not American. However I have spent time in America, and have many friends, and am well across the issues.

But ok, before this gets even more emotive, I'll just mention that the proof is in the video that I posted earlier.

Planned Parenthood is a good service, but they do seem like they need to improve their game.

 

02/23/11 11:34 AM

johnnywatson posted:
Ok, well you are right that I'm not American. However I have spent time in America, and have many friends, and am well across the issues.


Are you implying your friends in America have participated in these activities? Because if you are not then you still have no proof.

 

02/23/11 12:15 PM

There is a difficult issue here, but I don't expect PP to get into trouble once the investigations are complete. The cases highlighted are ones where pimps come with underage sex workers who are pregnant and the girls ask for abortions, or information about STD testing. PP provides them as they legally can, and should in my view. This may well be what the pro-life lobby don't like but it isn't the legal issue. The legal issue is that some PP workers report these incidents and some take the attitude that they operate under patient confidentiality rules and it's not their place to get involved. Both positions have legal and pragmatic backing, which is why I highly doubt PP will get into legal trouble. If a debate about such issues ensues and clearer legal guidance is issued then that would be sone good coming from this. Those issues were already being discussed ad investigated before this bill was introduced though, so this really does stink of trying to score cheap points based on half a story.

Taking the issue itself, think very hard about whether you want PP not reporting suspicions of underage prostitution to be a federal crime. If it was, you can be sure that no underage prostitutes would approach them for fear of being caught leading to more STDs, backstreet abortions and unwanted babies to mothers who can't support them.

What's even more ludicrous is that this video sting operation aroused the suspicions of PP. Before the video was made public they'd already reported the group who made it. They knew what was going on and got on with their jobs. They are there first to cate for reproductive health, if that is best served by staying out of law enforcement then that is what they should do. Even the prosecutors bringig the case arb't suggesting PP were actually involved in organizing sex trafficking; they are making a case for complicity based on knowingly providing services without reporting the pimps.

This is a good starting point for research on real facts. I chose AOL as it's a real news service with a notable centre right slant, not a source credibly dismissed as "liberal lies."

 

02/24/11 8:07 AM

RhettButler posted:
I despise the Republican party. Assholes.

 
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