Libyan Uprising/Crisis
 
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04/15/11 12:33 PM

NATO is still calling for intensified action in Libya. The president and NATO have now openly admitted they wont stop till Gadahfi is out. We are getting sucked in to another war. Courtesy of Americas latest Warmonger!

 

04/15/11 12:49 PM

Stateless_Society posted:
NATO is still calling for intensified action in Libya. The president and NATO have now openly admitted they wont stop till Gadahfi is out. We are getting sucked in to another war. Courtesy of Americas latest Warmonger!

I'm sure that'll go down well...

 

04/15/11 2:50 PM

Actions speak louder than awards?

 

04/16/11 7:37 AM

I'm going to use this thread to ask a question that has been bugging me. What ever happened to the Anti-War left? Where did they go? I want to hear cries of NO BLOOD FOR OIL and BRING THEM HOME but I'm just not.

I am hearing rationalization for murder from the left. All the while Russia is 'regretting' the military action taken. Russia is the country voicing ethical military practice. I am starting to think the Anti-War left is just Anti-Republican. Maybe my blood is just boiling this morning.

Please help me understand what happened to all the anger about unjust military action. What happened to no more nation building? I'm glad the libertarian Non interventionist are still sticking to the story. Liberal left, please join us on the side of reason again. It's boring without someone to argue economics and social policy with during the slow parts of the rallies.

 

04/17/11 12:09 AM

http://www.watblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/noble-peace-prize.jpg

 

04/18/11 8:06 PM

Kid IRA1 posted:
http://www.watblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/noble-peace-prize.jpg

Perhaps they were a little premature in giving one to our sitting President. Then again, they gave one to Henry Kissinger...

 

04/20/11 4:33 PM

Britain, France and Italy are planning on sending some experienced officers to train Libyan rebels. Apparently their intentions are to help them organize not train them in combat.



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04/30/11 7:24 PM

Colonel Gaddafi's youngest son and three of his grandchildren have been killed in a Nato airstrike in Tripoli, the Libyan government has said.

Government spokesman Moussa Ibrahim said the incident which killed Sayf al-Arab Gaddafi was "a direct operation to assassinate the leader of this country".

Mr Ibrahim added that Colonel Gaddafi himself was in the large residential villa which was hit by the strike, but was unharmed.

[www.bbc.co.uk]

 

07/27/11 9:53 PM

Headline reads UK kicks out remaining Libyan diplomats.

Britain has expelled all staff of the Libyan embassy in London. The eight people will be given three days to leave the country. Envoys from the rebel government in Benghazi are expected to take over the building.

Acting Charge d’Affairs Khaled Benshaban was informed about the expulsion on Wednesday, the Foreign Office said.

The emptied building will be reportedly handed over the envoys of the rebel National Transitional Council (NTC), which the UK regards as legal representatives of the Libyan people.

Nations regarding the NTC as Libya’s legal government include the US, France, Italy, Germany and Spain among others.

On Wednesday, British Foreign Secretary William Hague said the National Transitional Council had been invited to send an ambassador to London.

“We will deal with the National Transitional Council on the same basis as other governments around the world," he added.

He also stated that Britain will unfreeze Libyan oil assets (around $150 million) to help transitional government.

 

07/29/11 3:28 AM

posted:
I am starting to think the Anti-War left is just Anti-Republican

LOL...all the way home!!!

 

08/21/11 6:37 PM

Libyan rebels push into Tripoli as Gaddafi appeals for help



National Transitional Council confirms capture of ruler's son and rebel convoy enters Green Square, the capital's symbolic heart




Hundreds of rebel fighters have pushed into the Libyan capital, Tripoli, as their struggle to overthrow the 42-year rule of Muammar Gaddafi moves closer to ending in victory.

As the rebel forces moved through the western suburbs of the city, there was little sign of resistance from pro-Gaddafi forces. Late on Sunday night, a rebel convoy entered the city's Green Square, its symbolic heart.

Jubilant residents were seen pouring into the streets to celebrate and greet the rebel fighters as they advanced. The head of the rebel National Transitional Council said that Gaddafi's son, Saif al-Islam had been captured. "We have confirmed information that our guys have captured Saif al-Islam," Mustapha Abd el-Jalil told al-Jazeera television on Sunday night.

"We have given instructions to treat him well so that he can face trial."

There were also reports that Gaddafi's eldest son, Mohammed, and the presidential guard had surrendered.

But as crowds cheered and let off volleys of gunfire in the air in Tripoli and the rebel-held city of Misrata, Gaddafi staged a dramatic late-night appeal for help.

Speaking on state television, which continued broadcasting, the dictator spoke via audiolink and sounded more measured than in previous, emotionally charged speeches. Addressing the Libyan people, he said: "There are criminals, they are coming to destroy Tripoli. They are coming to steal our oil.

"Now it [Tripoli] is in ruins. They are coming, they are destroying it. Come out of your houses and fight these betrayers. Hurry up, hurry up, families and tribes, go to Tripoli. Call the tribes to go to Tripoli."

Libyan information ministry spokesman Moussa Ibrahim also insisted that Gaddafi forces would stand and fight. He said: "We are still very strong. We have thousands and thousands of fighters who have nowhere to go but to fight.

"Nato has intensified its attacks on and around Tripoli, giving immediate and direct support for the rebels' forces to advance into a peaceful capital of this great nation and the death toll is beyond imagination."

In an attempt to try to avoid a heavy battle in the city centre, Abd el-Jalil said that the rebel fighters would halt their offensive if Gaddafi announced his departure, adding that they would give Gaddafi and his sons safe passage out of the country.

Nato said on Sunday night the situation was "very fluid", and that the rule of Muammar Gaddafi was crumbling. "It's a very fluid situation. We can see that the regime is crumbling, and the sooner Gaddafi realises he cannot win this war against his own people, the better," Nato spokeswoman Oana Lungescu said.

"He's the one who's responsible for starting the conflict and he should spare his people further bloodshed," she added.

Britain called on Gaddafi to stand down to save his people from further suffering. Downing Street said it was clear that the "end is near" for the Libyan leader.

"It is clear from the scenes we are witnessing in Tripoli that the end is near for Gaddafi," the No 10 statement said. "He has committed appalling crimes against the people of Libya and he must go now to avoid any further suffering for his own people."

Earlier Muammar Gaddafi called for supporters from across Libya to help him defend Tripoli, with rebel forces now in control of parts of the capital and massing on its western outskirts for a decisive assault.

As Libya's dictator vowed that he would not be forced into exile. "We will fight to the last drop of blood," he said. "We will never give up."

He warned of a furious fight ahead, with the remnants of the Libyan army and well-armed vigilantes bracing for urban warfare. As government forces went into full retreat towards the capital from the road west to Zawiya and from al-Aziziya, 30 miles (45km) to the south, Gaddafi again called the rebels "rats".

"All the patriots of Libya, come to defend the capital," he said, adding that he feared "Tripoli would burn".

The rebels had advanced rapidly during the day on Tripoli, seizing the town of Jadda'im and an outpost called Bridge 27, 17 miles from the centre of the capital, as they pushed east from the captured city of Zawiya.

Gaddafi had maintained a strong base of support in Tripoli, but neither its size nor resilience has been tested during the six months of civil war, in which government forces there have successfully crushed dissent and retained control.

In Tripoli on Sunday afternoon, one of the largest military bases was overrun by rebel forces, who freed up to 5,000 people imprisoned by the regime and then swung open the doors of the armoury, allowing thousands of rebel supporters to seize weapons. Reports from the scene at the Mais base revealed residents were celebrating wildly.

Observers inside the capital said barricades had been erected in some suburbs and soldiers had taken up defensive positions. Weapons and ammunition were distributed to loyalists earlier in the uprising, raising the prospect of prolonged guerrilla warfare within the city.

Gaddafi's heavily fortified compound in the centre of Tripoli was bombed again by Nato jets early on Sunday, and only several miles away uprisings were reported to be underway in the suburbs of Tajoura and Fashloum. Sustained gunfire from both areas on Saturday night appeared to mark the first time that rebel movements in either area had been able to gain momentum since anti-regime protests erupted on 17 February.

Opposition troops were attempting to consolidate gains in the capital by trying to seize control of a disused airfield on the city's eastern edges in a bid to establish a supply line. Their rapid advances of the past week have already shut off a government supply line to the Tunisian border and tightening a stranglehold on an already weakened regime.

Tripoli residents are reported to be fleeing, with most being allowed to pass through rebel-held Zawiya to the Ras Jdir crossing into Tunisia.

Gaddafi has spent much of the past five months sleeping in Tripoli hospitals, or in rooms in the city's largely empty five-star hotels. His other military forces have been severely weakened during months of fighting and more than 1,000 bombing raids by Nato jets, which have focused heavily on weapons stockpiles and command and control centres.

Even if Gaddafi backed down, he has few options inside or out of Libya. The international criminal court has issued warrants for him and key regime officials, which means he is at risk if he travels to any country that recognises the jurisdiction of the ICC.

"We remember our dead now," said Zaynab Shawaid, of the Shaheed (Martys) women, a self-help group of women in Misrata who have lost relatives in the war. "We are proud of our dead. There are celebrations yes, and the memory of the dead will be with us as we build a new Libya."

Rebel units around Misrata had orders to be on alert, after a day of fighting with government forces south of the neighboring town of Zlitan that left two rebel dead and 14 wounded.

"I feel good but I can't believe it yet," said rebel fighter Abdullah Maiteeg, 24, of Misrata's Shaheed brigade, standing watching the celebrations in Misrata's ruined Tripoli Street. "Right now I don't want to celebrate, I'm thinking of my friends, Mohammed Algajiji and Alaa Khsheem, they died for this. I don't want to celebrate until I see the G-dog [Gaddafi] his head separated from his body."


[www.guardian.co.uk]

 

08/22/11 4:28 AM

Forgive me but, I just think this entire situation shows the worst of Western Imperialism. 1) there is no consistency, and its obvious. People are suffering in many countries around the World and get no support from us. 2) Essentially, its 'now be good rebels and do what we tell you'. We have been installing puppet governments for years, and that in itself always brings suffering as the two sets of supporters battle it out to consolidate thier position. The 'state' is almost non-existent in Libya, and I really fear for the amount of suffering and for how long it is going to go on for from now on. If we were really serious about rebuilding this country we should have thousands of troops on the ground.



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08/25/11 2:13 PM

dude looks like a lady, aerosmith 1987 permanent vacation big ones 1994

he is one hell of a survivor! i guess obama isn't his favorite u.s. pres. anymore

 

08/26/11 12:32 AM

MSNBC posted:
In the ruins of Gadhafi's lair, rebels find album filled with photos of his 'darling' Condoleezza Rice
Msnbc.com and Associated Press report:
“Deeply bizarre and deeply creepy.”
That’s how the State Department is describing a surprising find inside the compound of Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi: a photo album with pictures of Condoleezza Rice.
Rebel fighters who ransacked Gadhafi's Bab al-Aziziya compound have been turning up some bizarre loot, including the Libyan leader's eccentric fashion accessories and his daughter's golden mermaid couch. The latest discovery is a photo album filled with page after page of pictures of Rice, the former secretary of state who visited Tripoli in 2008.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110825-condi-moammar-da-01.photoblog900.jpg
State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland on Thursday said she hasn’t seen pictures of the album. “I think I don’t need to see the photos, but bizarre and creepy are good adjectives to describe much of Gadhafi’s behavior,” Nuland said. “It doesn't surprise me. It's deeply bizarre and deeply creepy, though, if it is as you described.”
Though maybe the discovery isn't that surprising. Over the years, the Libyan leader's comments and actions related to the former secretary of state have raised a few eyebrows.
Consider how he talked about her in an interview with Al-Jazeera television in 2007, where he hinted that then-President George W. Bush's top diplomat wielded considerable influence in the Arab world.
"I support my darling black African woman," he said. "I admire and am very proud of the way she leans back and gives orders to the Arab leaders. ... Leezza, Leezza, Leezza. ... I love her very much. I admire her, and I'm proud of her, because she's a black woman of African origin."
The following year, Gadhafi and Rice had an opportunity to meet when the secretary of state paid a historic visit to Libya — one that made steps toward normalizing relations after the United States went decades without an ambassador in Tripoli. (The U.S. "doesn't have any permanent enemies," she said during the trip.)
Gahdafi welcomed Rice in his home — one that President Ronald Reagan once ordered bombed in retaliation for Libya's attack on a German disco — for the traditional meal that ends the daylight fast during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. Once again, he repeatedly addressed Rice — "Condi" to her friends — as "Leezza," her aides said.
During the visit, he presented Rice with a diamond ring, a lute, a locket with an engraved likeness of himself inside and an inscribed edition of "The Green Book," a personal political manifesto that explains his "Third Universal Theory for a new democratic society."
Together, the haul was worth $212,000. (Rules prevent her, or any other U.S. official, from keeping gifts from foreign leaders — they generally end up in a warehouse, and some may turn up years later in a presidential library.)
Flash forward three years, when Libyan rebels moved into Gadhafi's Tripoli stronghold and took control. There, left behind in the compound, was Gadhafi's dear Leezza, her image affixed to the pages of a photo book.
Rebels leafed through the album Wednesday after finding it as they rummaged through Gadhafi's Bab al-Aziziya compound.
AP photographer Sergey Ponomarev was with the rebels as they flicked through the album. "There were lots of rebels celebrating their victory," Ponomarev said. "It was still unsafe - loyalists were shelling the compound from time to time - but rebels were celebrating the seizure of the Gadhafi compound. They believe the victory is in their hands. Some of them even brought their children to the scene."
Rice did not immediately respond to requests for comment about the discovery of the photos.
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08/29/11 3:24 AM

A military unit commanded by one of Muammar Gaddafi's sons appears to have been responsible for the summary execution of dozens of detainees in a warehouse near Tripoli last week, a human rights organization said on Monday.

Three days later the warehouse, which had been used as a prison, was set on fire but the cause was unknown, Human Rights Watch said.

Since the fall of Gaddafi just over a week ago, evidence has emerged of numerous killings. Dozens of bodies, some from Gaddafi's troops and others of detainees held by the ousted government, have been discovered in the Libyan capital.

Human Rights Watch said it inspected the charred skeletal remains of about 45 bodies, still smoldering, on Saturday. The remains were spread throughout the warehouse in the Khalida Ferjan neighborhood in Salahaddin, south of Tripoli, adjoining the Yarmouk military base.

At least two more corpses were lying outside, unburned.

A statement from Human Rights Watch said members of the Khamis Brigade, a force commanded by Muammar Gaddafi's son Khamis, appeared to have carried out the killings on August 23.

"Sadly this is not the first gruesome report of what appears to be the summary execution of detainees in the final days of the Gaddafi government's control of Tripoli," said Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch.

"These merciless murders took place in the midst of Ramadan and those responsible should be brought to justice and punished."

Human Rights Watch said it had been told by a survivor that guards at the warehouse read out 153 names of detainees in the roll call on the day of the killings.

He estimated that 20 escaped and around 125 of the 153 detainees were civilians.

One building in the compound had spray-painted on it "32nd Brigade," which is part of the Khamis Brigades.

The survivor, Abdulrahim Ibrahim Bashir, 25, said at sunset on August 23 guards of the Khamis Brigade opened fire on him and the other detainees from the roof, shooting through the roof's tin sheeting, while another guard threw grenades in from the entrance. He survived by escaping over a wall while the guards were reloading their weapons.

Bashir said Khamis Brigade members had held him in the warehouse for three months after accusing him of being "one of the revolutionaries."

Bashir told Human Rights Watch: "Four soldiers climbed on the top of the warehouse, and another soldier opened the door. They started shooting at us through the roof. It was made of sheet metal. The guy at the door was throwing in grenades.

"I saw bullets and heard people saying Allahu Akbar, and that's all. I saw (eight people) fall down. When (the guards) were refilling their ammunition, I ran out the door and jumped over the wall. I was not wounded ... They just shot and killed us. After I escaped, I saw one of the soldiers finish off anyone who was wounded lightly."

Bashir said one of those killed had died in his arms.

Human Rights Watch said it was told by a rebel fighter that he and his military unit had found the smoldering warehouse when they seized the Yarmouk military base on August 26.

He was quoted as saying that as his unit entered the base around noon, they went looking around.

"We smelled it," he said.

[www.reuters.com]

 

08/29/11 3:57 AM

Libyan anti-Gadhafi forces are drawing closer to Moammar Gadhafi's hometown of Sirte, as they continue to search for the embattled leader after seizing control of the country's capital.

Rebel commanders in Misrata say opposition forces pushing towards Sirte from the west have moved within 30 kilometers of the coastal city, which is located 450 kilometers east of Tripoli. An opposition spokesman said Sunday that anti-government forces would seize Sirte by force if negotiations with tribal leaders for its surrender failed.

Mr. Gadhafi has not been seen since rebel fighters seized Tripoli, and the Sirte region is considered one area where he may have fled to go into hiding.

The head of the opposition Transitional National Council, Mustafa Jalil, said Monday that Mr. Gadhafi still poses a threat to Libya and the world. Jalil also called for the continued support of NATO, which has been carrying out airstrikes against pro-Gadhafi forces since March under a U.N. mandate to protect civilians. His comments came as defense officials from countries involved militarily in Libya met in Qatar.

Meanwhile, Human rights activists say pro-Gadhafi forces committed possible war crimes as rebels moved into the Libyan capital last week, killing scores of detainees and arbitrarily executing dozens of civilians.

Human Rights Watch said Sunday its researchers have documented more than 110 corpses in four locations in Tripoli, many of whom appear to have been killed execution-style either while in detention or with their hands bound.

A metal warehouse in a compound controlled until last week by Libya's @#$%& Khamis Brigade contains about 50 scorched skeletons. A VOA correspondent who visited the structure said another eight bodies lie outside, one with his hands tied behind his back. A survivor said that as rebel forces approached, loyalist soldiers shot their prisoners, then tried to burn the bodies.

Opposition military spokesman Colonel Ahmed Bani said rebels are concerned for the fate of some 40,000 prisoners who were detained by Mr. Gadhafi's forces. Bani said Sunday that more than 10,000 detainees have been freed from government jails since Tripoli fell last week.

So far, there have been no specific allegations of atrocities carried out by rebel fighters. But the Associated Press reports it remains unclear who is responsible for some of the killings, including those of dozens of dark-skinned men whose bodies were found in two areas of Tripoli.

A Red Cross ship entered Tripoli harbor Sunday carrying supplies for the city, which saw days of fighting between rebels and Gadhafi supporters last week. A VOA correspondent reported that the capital has widespread shortages of medicine, drinking water and other basic supplies. Many areas are still without electricity.

Libyan rebels earlier gained control of a key border post near Tunisia, and the Reuters news agency reported Sunday that authorities in Tunis had reopened the main Ras Jdir crossing into Libya. Trucks loaded with food and other supplies began to move towards Tripoli, about a 2-hour drive away.

In the west, opposition fighters were still battling for control of Zuwarah. Rebels faced stiff resistance from Gadhafi loyalists during efforts to advance into the city, which is on a major supply route into Tripoli.

[blogs.voanews.com]

 
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