Lawrence O’Donnel interviews Condoleezza Rice
 

05/05/11 8:14 PM

Watch it here.

Lawrence O’Donnell’s Epic Slap-Fight With Condoleezza Rice Over Iraq And Al Qaeda

On Thursday night’s The Last Word, host Lawrence O’Donnell conducted an intense interview with former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, challenging her on what many consider the Bush administration’s detour into Iraq, away from the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Rice was among the Bush administration officials who tried to establish a link between bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, a link they later backed away from. O’Donnell milked the interview like a rented cow, teasing it out in tiny saucers over the course of the show, but the result was fairly spectacular.

O’Donnell began by asking Rice if President Obama’s visit to Ground Zero earlier today was appropriate, which she did, and she explained former President Bush’s absence, attributing it to a desire to stay out of the spotlight, and not to detract from President Obama’s moment.

Things got gradually more “tense,” as O’Donnell described it, when the subject turned to the Bush administration’s post-9/11 assessment of the threat that Saddam Hussein’s Iraq posed. Rice’s responses were mainly Bush-era Golden Oldies about things Hussein did in the early nineties, but O’Donnell’s interrogation was a 180 degree shift from the more deferential treatment the administration received from the press at the time.

Some might even say O’Donnell swung the pendulum too far the other way, at times replacing actual questions with, as Rice observed, “your own commentary,” but he did land some powerful blows, such as his invocation of Rice’s famous “mushroom cloud” quote.

Condoleezza Rice, for her part, made an excellent point as she got in the last word. Asked by O’Donnell if it might have been better to “let history take care of Saddam Hussein,” Rice responded that anyone who thinks Hussein would have been moved an inch by peaceful protests like the ones in Egypt is sadly mistaken.

 

05/05/11 11:33 PM

RhettButler posted:
Watch it here.

Lawrence O’Donnell’s Epic Slap-Fight With Condoleezza Rice Over Iraq And Al Qaeda

On Thursday night’s The Last Word, host Lawrence O’Donnell conducted an intense interview with former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, challenging her on what many consider the Bush administration’s detour into Iraq, away from the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Rice was among the Bush administration officials who tried to establish a link between bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, a link they later backed away from. O’Donnell milked the interview like a rented cow, teasing it out in tiny saucers over the course of the show, but the result was fairly spectacular.

O’Donnell began by asking Rice if President Obama’s visit to Ground Zero earlier today was appropriate, which she did, and she explained former President Bush’s absence, attributing it to a desire to stay out of the spotlight, and not to detract from President Obama’s moment.

Things got gradually more “tense,” as O’Donnell described it, when the subject turned to the Bush administration’s post-9/11 assessment of the threat that Saddam Hussein’s Iraq posed. Rice’s responses were mainly Bush-era Golden Oldies about things Hussein did in the early nineties, but O’Donnell’s interrogation was a 180 degree shift from the more deferential treatment the administration received from the press at the time.

Some might even say O’Donnell swung the pendulum too far the other way, at times replacing actual questions with, as Rice observed, “your own commentary,” but he did land some powerful blows, such as his invocation of Rice’s famous “mushroom cloud” quote.

Condoleezza Rice, for her part, made an excellent point as she got in the last word. Asked by O’Donnell if it might have been better to “let history take care of Saddam Hussein,” Rice responded that anyone who thinks Hussein would have been moved an inch by peaceful protests like the ones in Egypt is sadly mistaken.

I swear, Rice is a modern-day Samurai, selflessly tossing herself upon a sword to avoid slandering her former coworkers.

By know it is essentially common knowledge Colin Powell's State Department, and by extension Rice, were not sold on Iraq and made a desperate bid to win Dubya over, ultimately failing to the ineffable charm - or combined might - of the Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, and Cheney, who were all very, very sold on Iraq.

Personally, I'd love to see the day when she finally throws those assholes under the bus, but we all know it'll never come.

 

05/06/11 4:16 AM

Whatever she thought privately is irrelevant. She shares equal blame with the rest of them. "Mushroom cloud"?

 

05/06/11 8:01 AM

RhettButler posted:
Whatever she thought privately is irrelevant. She shares equal blame with the rest of them. "Mushroom cloud"?

Oh, I agree.

 

05/06/11 3:41 PM

Yeah. She comes across as intelligent, well-spoken and affable. Maybe that's why people like Jon Stewart don't grill her when she is interviewed.

 

05/07/11 12:41 AM

RhettButler posted:
Yeah. She comes across as intelligent, well-spoken and affable. Maybe that's why people like Jon Stewart don't grill her when she is interviewed.

That, or they're afraid she'll roll them on their way to the cars and kneecap them.

Either way, she's not stupid and is no doubt a formidable debater. It just astounds me how willing she is to continue to defend something she clearly never believed in or agreed with herself. If I were her, I'd be so ready to toss Rummy, Wolfie, and Cheney under the boss. They made liar of her and Colin Powell for crying out loud... the memories of Powell, a man whose integrity I'd almost never doubted, knowingly and half-heartedly lying to the UN because Bush told him to, it's just fucking sad.

Jon Stewart can be a bit of a baby when the heavy hitters come on his show, though, if only because they are so few and far between he doesn't want to run the risk of alienating them for good (as I recall, he only managed to snag one serving member of the Bush administration in all eight years of its existence, and that was some no-name secretary of edumacatin'). However, I do recall recall Barbara Boxer nearly bringing Condi to tears during her senate confirmation hearing, after Powell stepped down.

 

05/07/11 6:52 AM

Riktor posted:
RhettButler posted:
Yeah. She comes across as intelligent, well-spoken and affable. Maybe that's why people like Jon Stewart don't grill her when she is interviewed.
It just astounds me how willing she is to continue to defend something she clearly never believed in or agreed with herself. If I were her, I'd be so ready to toss Rummy, Wolfie, and Cheney under the boss. They made liar of her and Colin Powell for crying out loud... the memories of Powell, a man whose integrity I'd almost never doubted, knowingly and half-heartedly lying to the UN because Bush told him to, it's just fucking sad.


Say that you were responsible for a war that costs over 100,000 civilian deaths and 4000 American soldiers, how would you be able to live with yourself? If it were me, I'd keep drinking the kool-aid. I don't know if she can toss anyone under the bus, as she is just as responsible as the rest of them (although ultimately it was Bush's decision). It's like, say a gang robs a 7-11, and one of the participants didn't really want to do it but went along, he's still as every bit as guilty as the rest of them.

 

05/07/11 9:33 AM

RhettButler posted:
It's like, say a gang robs a 7-11, and one of the participants didn't really want to do it but went along, he's still as every bit as guilty as the rest of them.

That is true, and I don't disagree. If Condi had any kind of moral compass, she should have resigned (and as for Powell, he should have resigned before fucking up in Iraq, not after). However, if the Milgram Experiment taught us anything it that it is a lot easier to do terrible things if you are ordered to by someone of authority.

 

05/07/11 11:43 AM

Very true. And I'm thinking she might be in a bit of denial.

 
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