ummm Syria anyone?

ummm Syria anyone?

02/09/12 10:16 AM
GREATDESTROYER1 member Joined: 02/05/12 Location: The Void of Space Posts: 66	yeah, no offense to the posters here, im sure everyone is intelligent in the political area, but how come whats happening in Syria isnt on here (at least from what im reading?) hell there should be a thread about the crisis in the Middle East in general, shit thats going down could possibly add more to the road leading to WW3, the lines are clearly drawn with nations in this area. sorry for the mini-rant..... Anyways to get to the topic what do people here think about Syria? thousands have died in the past months and no ones doing anything! as for the US it makes us look like bigger dicks then the world already views us as. we go into a country and kill a dictator for no real reason, yet people are getting killed by nearly an entire army, unarmed people, and the US doesnt do jack shit. i partly blame the Syrian people though, they all think some peaceful protest was going to bring down a man who could rival the Iranian Pres or Hussan in brutality, they should have been prepared to spill blood for thier cause. still just watching the mainstream media on the subject is terrible, kids dying, starving, civilians getting attacked by not milita, but military trained snipers and vehicles... personally, i dont think we should act as "world police/assassins/enforcers of a dying democracatic system" but my political feelings aside, the shit thats going on here is just sickening. i think all the crap we did in the middle east over the years has been unneccessary for the most part, but this should be worth acting on. imo, i say arm the rebels! what are other opinions on this matter, im just curious....
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02/09/12 5:44 PM
MattWeeke member Joined: 03/24/10 Location: Okinawa%2C Japan Posts: 182	GREATDESTROYER1 posted: personally, i dont think we should act as "world police/assassins/enforcers of a dying democracatic system" but my political feelings aside, the shit thats going on here is just sickening. i think all the crap we did in the middle east over the years has been unneccessary for the most part, but this should be worth acting on. imo, i say arm the rebels! what are other opinions on this matter, im just curious.... So the only problem with your reasoning is every time we arm the rebels they wind up trying to kill us later on with the weapons we gave them
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02/09/12 7:13 PM
jenifer2126 member Joined: 03/05/08 Location: Hamilton Posts: 366	It's in the news every day - but small articles. The same old story - the Syrian government says they didn't do anything wrong and the "trouble makers" are lying about civillians being killed. Last week the Syrian gov't said they weren't bombing houses, but instead people were burning garbarge on their rooftops to make it LOOK like the government was bombing their own people. I think the trouble is that there's no replacement for the Syrian government. Lately too many dictators have been knocked out (killed or arrested) and that leaves a void. Plus, everyone's afraid the military will step into the void. (and I was even trying for a song title tie in!) Afganistan and Iraq are still not settled, and who knows what's going to happen in Libya. I just think no country has the appetite to take this on right now. It's not right, but I'm not sure that any country stepping in would lead to a better situation years down the road. And then you have the countries that make money selling arms to the Syrian government - and they don't want anything to change.
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02/10/12 1:54 PM
GREATDESTROYER1 member Joined: 02/05/12 Location: The Void of Space Posts: 66	MattWeeke posted: GREATDESTROYER1 posted: personally, i dont think we should act as "world police/assassins/enforcers of a dying democracatic system" but my political feelings aside, the shit thats going on here is just sickening. i think all the crap we did in the middle east over the years has been unneccessary for the most part, but this should be worth acting on. imo, i say arm the rebels! what are other opinions on this matter, im just curious.... So the only problem with your reasoning is every time we arm the rebels they wind up trying to kill us later on with the weapons we gave them can you blame them tho? lol after watching/listening to our leaders, sometimes i feel like we should be dropping a bomb on Washington and starting from scratch
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02/13/12 2:55 PM
PeedroPaula member Why so serious? Joined: 09/07/08 Location: San Pedro CA Posts: 15,267	Several of us NINnies have a dear NINfriend in the heart of Homs, Syria and are well aware of what's happening there. He hasn't tweeted in eight days and we're all terribly worried about him. I post regularly on Twitter, Facebook and Google+ about the situation. If Russia wasn't so belligerent, I'd suggest sanctions against them until they come around, but I'd hate to see an escalation of tensions between them and the U.S. There are reports that Russia keeps shipping arms to the Syrian military.
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02/13/12 3:18 PM
rist9 member Joined: 11/07/09 Posts: 37	Its quite normal that this forum doesn't have a few very important topics. There aren't many people here. I just recently posted about ACTA and I was surprised about it having no real discussion. So essentially, NIN.com forums are a bit dry at the moment. On the subject of syria. I think its wrong to sit back and let the tyrant slaughter the people. I hope russia and china come to drop their veto. Can't go behind the UN or so, cos that would cause even more trouble than its worth. I feel the tensions with china and russia are generally mounting aswell. -.-
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02/13/12 5:25 PM
falkor member watches you intently... Joined: 04/12/10 Location: New York Posts: 658	GREATDESTROYER1 posted: MattWeeke posted: GREATDESTROYER1 posted: personally, i dont think we should act as "world police/assassins/enforcers of a dying democracatic system" but my political feelings aside, the shit thats going on here is just sickening. i think all the crap we did in the middle east over the years has been unneccessary for the most part, but this should be worth acting on. imo, i say arm the rebels! what are other opinions on this matter, im just curious.... So the only problem with your reasoning is every time we arm the rebels they wind up trying to kill us later on with the weapons we gave them can you blame them tho? lol after watching/listening to our leaders, sometimes i feel like we should be dropping a bomb on Washington and starting from scratch I'm guessing that's why you're not in charge, champ. LOL. ROFL. Obviously, no one is happy with what's going on in Syria. That, Al, would be why discussion is sparse. In other words, the absence of a topic here has no bearing on our knowledge nor opinion of it. This isn't reuters.com, nor do we need you chastising us. If you find something interesting to you, then fucking post it. When you do, feel free to not include your sanctimonious and unnecessary complaints about us not posting what you haven't posted about either. rist9 posted: I just recently posted about ACTA and I was surprised about it having no real discussion. So essentially, NIN.com forums are a bit dry at the moment. What makes you feel like your thread warranted a real discussion? You were soliciting for a petition, and then again for involvement in a protest. That's spam for activism, not food for thought. Now, you're bellyaching about the lack of response, which is just plain spam. If it is normal for the forum to not have a few of what you consider to be very important discussion topics, it's quite frankly your fault for not posting them. So if it's dry, it's because you helped make it that way, and then compounded the problem by whining about it in another malcontent's thread in desperate hope for empathy (or just plain sympathy). Don't blame the community for your own failures.
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02/14/12 1:59 PM
GREATDESTROYER1 member Joined: 02/05/12 Location: The Void of Space Posts: 66	^ wow being an asshole for no reason, much? i never said "wow all these dumb ass NIN forum users dont know what the fuck is going on in the world bahahahah" i was simply surprised that no one posted anything on the country and was interested in hearing what people thought of the situation and how we should help the people, or if we shouldnt get involved at all, what the "rebels" could do to help themselves. its obvious you dont socialize that much in this thing called the "real world" or you never participated in a forum discussion or your just retarded in general seeing as you reacted so negitively about me just wanting to start a nice little political discussion :/
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02/14/12 2:05 PM
HurtNoMore member Anduril Joined: 09/17/08 Location: MA Posts: 1,069	Falkor, it think it's a bit of a reach to call him sanctimonious. His above post just seems to be a reflection on the general lack of activity in the forum. Syria is a tougher nut than Libya. They have a real military. Also, if we decide to arm the rebellion it brings us into direct conflict with Iran, so things could get real dicey, real fast. That being said, if we do take out the current regime, we've pretty much isolated Iran in the region.
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02/14/12 5:10 PM
falkor member watches you intently... Joined: 04/12/10 Location: New York Posts: 658	HurtNoMore posted: Falkor, it think it's a bit of a reach to call him sanctimonious. His above post just seems to be a reflection on the general lack of activity in the forum. Look again. The only reflections in this most recent episode of histrionics seem to be on how 'falkor is an asshole' and 'falkor is retarded' as well as several other condescending and generally offensive assertions, both implicit and explicit. Hardly the "nice political discussion" he professes to hold so dear. Far be it from me to point that out by using the word "sanctimonious" to describe the posts. Yet somehow, I don't see you telling him to cool it. Good job. In other news, the horrible violence continued today in Syria...
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02/14/12 9:28 PM
Riktor member Joined: 09/03/08 Location: Antares Posts: 2,099	GREATDESTROYER1 posted: i never said "wow all these dumb ass NIN forum users dont know what the fuck is going on in the world bahahahah" If that's the case, you chose your words poorly. Saying you're surprised that intelligent people aren't talking about Syria implies intelligent people should be talking about Syria. It sounds like you're chastising the forum for not already discussing something you want to discuss. posted: i was simply surprised that no one posted anything on the country and was interested in hearing what people thought of the situation and how we should help the people, or if we shouldnt get involved at all, what the "rebels" could do to help themselves. Personally, I feel we should leave them alone. Not only is this their fight, it stands to reason any American meddling in Syria's politics could be used as an ideological weapon further down the road. In a more practical, Game of Thrones sense, the US doesn't stand to gain anything from revolution in Syria... at least not yet. Toppling the Baathist regime will open a power vacuum, which multiple actors will no doubt scramble to fill (as they have in Egypt). It reminds me of an Iranian friend of mine, who as a communist faught side by side with the Islamists against the Shah in the initial stages of their revolution, only to find his family murdered and himself tortured and then exiled by them shortly thereafter. Who will take over once the Baathists are gone? Free-thinking liberals, or bearded jackasses who wear pajamas to work? We don't know yet. As we've probably learned a thing or two since supporting the Taliban in their fight against the Soviets, we'll probably wind up watching this from afar instead of acting... at least until a clear winner is in sight.
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02/14/12 11:15 PM
GREATDESTROYER1 member Joined: 02/05/12 Location: The Void of Space Posts: 66	falkor posted: Look again. The only reflections in this most recent episode of histrionics seem to be on how 'falkor is an asshole' and 'falkor is retarded' as well as several other condescending and generally offensive assertions, both implicit and explicit. Hardly the "nice political discussion" he professes to hold so dear. Far be it from me to point that out by using the word "sanctimonious" to describe the posts. Yet somehow, I don't see you telling him to cool it. Good job. oh, and you arent an asshole for bashing me for no reason? Riktor posted: Personally, I feel we should leave them alone. Not only is this their fight, it stands to reason any American meddling in Syria's politics could be used as an ideological weapon further down the road. id definitely agree with you on normal cercumstances, but the only reason i think we should arm them is simply because they are just getting slaughtered while offering up little resistance, its not like they are a proper resistance either, these are mostly civilians being butchered majority are unable to defend themselves. Riktor posted: In a more practical, Game of Thrones sense, the US doesn't stand to gain anything from revolution in Syria... at least not yet. Toppling the Baathist regime will open a power vacuum, which multiple actors will no doubt scramble to fill (as they have in Egypt). Who will take over once the Baathists are gone? Free-thinking liberals, or bearded jackasses who wear pajamas to work? We don't know yet. As we've probably learned a thing or two since supporting the Taliban in their fight against the Soviets, we'll probably wind up watching this from afar instead of acting... at least until a clear winner is in sight. yeah my feelings for the lives being lost aside, i pretty much agree with this. personally i think alot of these "Arab Spring" movements wont offer up much change, until the people are truely ready to shed blood for their cause and the people, not military governments, are the real winners, will we see some real changes in these countries
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02/14/12 11:21 PM
HurtNoMore member Anduril Joined: 09/17/08 Location: MA Posts: 1,069	Falkor, you really read his first post that way? Is English your first language? At worst his original post was unclear, in which case i think the default response should be a call for clarification. Instead you kinda went berserk on him. I for one appreciate your zest, but it is an acquired taste. I agree with Riktor. Play this one cool until a clear tactical objective presents itself. Even from a humanitarian perspective, our involvement is probably just as likely to make things worse.
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02/15/12 12:25 AM
Riktor member Joined: 09/03/08 Location: Antares Posts: 2,099	HurtNoMore posted: Falkor, you really read his first post that way? Is English your first language? At worst his original post was unclear, in which case i think the default response should be a call for clarification. Instead you kinda went berserk on him. Saying my peace on the matter: I found the OP's lead-in, in the context of this thread's title, particularly obnoxious. If Falkor hadn't flamed him, I probably would have. Chalk it up to the short-tempered New Englander in me who above all else just can't stand to hear people bellyache. After listening to that Mexican kid who comes here every six months with a new nick bitch and moan that no one was paying attention to his videos, the news clippings he invariably misunderstood, and his stupid SOPA posts - and then hearing rist9 do precisely the same thing when no one jumped to denounce ACTA - I can say I've grown sufficiently tired of people acting like we owe them a conversation. Perhaps I jumped the gun in this case, but still, I would argue there are better ways to start a conversation, especially with notoriously impatient people (such as... myself) lurking in the shadows. If you have something important to post, just post it. No need to question why no one else has addressed the issue already. As we've seen here, it can come off as infantile or accusatory. /End OT Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/15/2012 12:25AM by Riktor.
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