The 50 Most Obnoxious Quotes Of 2011
 
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03/09/12 7:47 AM

50) Take the vehicle, I have 10 more. Police don’t have anything else (expletive) to do except (expletive) with me. Do you know who I am? — Allen Iverson

49) Storms Kill Over 250 Americans In States Represented By Climate Pollution Deniers — ThinkProgress Headline

48) I’m in, like, dating Babylon. Like, I go on dates with men and, literally, like Sarah Palin will come up in like the first 20 minutes, and that doesn’t put me in the mood. Like, talking about Sarah Palin. And they just want to know gossip, and I’m just kind of taking a little hiatus from dating right now, because I just don’t want to talk about Sarah Palin. —Meghan McCain

47) I can’t say with certitude. My system was hacked. Pictures can be manipulated, pictures can be dropped in and inserted. — Anthony Weiner explaining away the crotch shots he sent out to women on Twitter

46) Look at, look, the Tea Partiers, who are controlling the Republican Party….Their stated policy, publicly stated, is to do whatever it takes to see to it that O'bama only serves one term. What’s, what does that, what underlines that? ‘Screw the country. We’re going to whatever we do to get this black man, we can, we’re going to do whatever we can to get this black man outta here.’… It is a racist thing. — Morgan Freeman

45) Do you think this Constitution-loving is getting out of hand? — Joy Behar

44) A good place to start a more civil dialog would be for my Republican colleagues in the House to change the name of the bill they have introduced to repeal health care reform. The bill, titled the “Repeal the Job Killing Health Care Law Act,” was set to come up for a vote this week, but in the wake of Gabby’s shooting, it has been postponed at least until next week.

Don’t get me wrong — I’m not suggesting that the name of that one piece of legislation somehow led to the horror of this weekend — but is it really necessary to put the word “killing” in the title of a major piece of legislation? — Chellie Pingree, Congresswoman (D-ME)

43) We’ve been a little bit lazy, I think, over the last couple of decades. We’ve kind of taken for granted — well, people will want to come here and we aren’t out there hungry, selling America and trying to attract new business into America. —Barack O'bama

42) The Republican Party is saying that the President of the United States has bosses, that the union bosses this President around, the unions boss him around. Does that sound to you like they are trying to consciously or subconsciously deliver the racist message that, of course, of course a black man can’t be the real boss? — Lawrence O’Donnell

41) I will tell you that I had a mother last night come up to me here in Tampa, Fla., after the debate. She told me that her little daughter took that (Gardasil) vaccine, that injection, and she suffered from mental retardation thereafter. — Michele Bachmann spreads a vaccine conspiracy theory

40) We are taking away a choice that continues to let people waste their own money. — Energy Secretary Steven Chuon banning incandescent lightbulbs

39) If you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they have been brought there by no fault of their own, I don’t think you have a heart. — Rick Perry

38) They’re sitting on the money, they’re using it for their own — they’re putting it someplace else with no interest in helping you with your life, with that money. We’ve allowed them to take that. That’s not theirs, that’s a national resource, that’s ours. We all have this — we all benefit from this or we all suffer as a result of not having it. — Michael Moore

37) It [the Republican successes in the 2010 elections] happened for the same reason the Civil War happened in the United States. It happened because the Southern states, the slaveholding states, didn’t want to see a president who was opposed to slavery. In this case, I believe, a lot of people in the United States don’t want to be governed by an African-American, particularly one who is liberal, who wants to spend money and who wants to reach out to include everyone in our society…. — Democratic Congressman Jim Moran

36) Millions are in an uproar in #Cairo. Rumor is they heard our new spring collection is available online at [bit.ly] – KC. — Kenneth Cole

35) On so many levels (S.E. Cupp’s) a perfect demonstration of the necessity of the work of Planned Parenthood does. —Keith Olbermann

34) Zionists dominate the government of the United States of America and her banking system. — Louis Farrakhan

33) One of the things about Herman Cain is, I think that he makes that white Republican base of the party feel okay, feel like they are not racist because they can like this guy. I think he giving that base a free pass. And I think they like him because they think he’s a black man who knows his place. I know that’s harsh, but that’s how it sure seems to me. —Karen Finney

32) I first would allow the guilty bankers to pay, you know, the ability to pay back anything over $100 million [of] personal wealth because I believe in a maximum wage of $100 million. And if they are unable to live on that amount of that amount then they should, you know, go to the reeducation camps and if that doesn’t help, then being beheaded. —Roseanne Barr, estimated net worth: $80 million

31) Our president is committing war crimes. What does that make him? A war criminal.– Cynthia McKinney

30) I just want to tell you a little bit about what it’s like to not have Planned Parenthood. You have to add water to the formula to make it stretch. You have to give your kids Ramen noodles at the end of the month to fill up their little bellies so they won’t cry — Democrat Gwen Moore

29) I am loathe to bring up what is in our head because we don’t like to talk about it so much. But on this particular day, on Martin Luther King Day, I think this needs to be said. That imaginary person that’s going to break into your home and kill you, who does that person look like? You know, it’s not freckle-faced Jimmy down the street, is it really? I mean, that’s not what really, that’s not what really people, we never really want to talk about the racial or the class part of this, in terms of how it’s the poor or it’s people of color that we imagine that we’re afraid of. Why are we afraid? What is that, and it’s been a fear that has existed for a very, very long time. — Michael Moore

28) [I]f you go back to the year 2000, when we had an obvious disaster and – and saw that our voting process needed refinement, and we did that in the America Votes Act and made sure that we could iron out those kinks, now you have the Republicans, who want to literally drag us all the way back to Jim Crow laws and literally – and very transparently – block access to the polls to voters who are more likely to vote Democratic candidates than Republican candidates. And it’s nothing short of that blatant. — Debbie "blabbermouth" Wasserman Schultz

27) My fight against terrorism, to me, the biggest terrorist is O'bama in the United States of America. I’m trying to fight the terrorism that’s actually causing the other forms of terrorism. You know, the root cause of terrorism is the stuff the U.S. government allows to happen. The foreign policies that we have in place in different countries that inspire people to become terrorists. — Lupe Fiasco

26) Herman Cain is probably well-liked by some of the Republicans because it hides the racist elements of the Republican Party, conservative movement and tea party movement. People like Karl Rove like to keep the racism very covert and so Herman Cain provides this great opportunity so he can say, ‘Look: This is not a racist anti-immigrant, anti-female, anti-gay movement. Look: We have a black man.’ And look he’s polling well and he won a straw poll. — Janeane Garofalo

25) You have what I call the ‘Get the N-word out of the White House party,’ the Tea Party…. At the end of the day, there’s a big bubble coming out of their heads saying, you know, ‘Can we just lynch him?’ — Sean Penn

24) What happened after 9/11 — and I think even people on the right know this, whether they admit it or not — was deeply shameful. [The] atrocity should have been a unifying event, but instead it became a wedge issue. Fake heroes like Bernie Kerik, Rudy Giuliani, and, yes, George W. Bush raced to cash in on the horror. And then the attack was used to justify an unrelated war the neo-cons wanted to fight, for all the wrong reasons….The memory of 9/11 has been irrevocably poisoned; it has become an occasion for shame. And in its heart, the nation knows it. — Paul Krugman

23) President O'bama is going to be visiting Joplin, Missouri, on Sunday, but you know what they’re talking about? Like this right-wing slut, what’s her name, Laura Ingraham? Yeah, she’s a talk slut. You see, she was, back in the day, praising President Reagan when he was drinking a beer overseas. But now that O'bama’s doing it, they’re working him over. —Ed Schultz

22) Herman Cain’s shtick is a version of race minstrelsy where he performs “authentic negritude” as wish fulfillment for White Conservative fantasies. Like the fountain at Lourdes, Cain in his designated role as black Conservative mascot, absolves the White racial reactionaries at CPAC of their sins. This is a refined performance that Black Conservatives have perfected over many decades and centuries of practice. — Chauncey DeVega

21) The issue here is not gonna be a list of accomplishments. As you said yourself, Steve, you know, I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln. —Barack O'bama

20) I get out of all of these things that many of these candidates would rather take legislation to build a time machine and go back in time to where we had, you know, no women voting, slavery was cool. I mean, it’s just kind of ridiculous. — Thomas Roberts

19) I will never stand for a national anthem again. I will turn my back and I will raise a fist. — Jesse Ventura

18) The dead in the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Pennsylvania were used to sanctify the state’s lust for war….Because few cared to examine our activities in the Muslim world, the attacks became certified as incomprehensible by the state and its lap dogs, the press….Our brutality and triumphalism, the byproducts of nationalism and our infantile pride, revived the jihadist movement. We became the radical Islamist movement’s most effective recruiting tool. We descended to its barbarity. We became terrorists too. The sad legacy of 9/11 is that the *******s, on each side, won. — Chris Hedges

17) L. Ron Hubbard himself was and is trying to civilize white people and make them better human beings and take away from them their reactive minds … Mr. Hubbard recognized that his people have to be civilized. — Louis Farrakhan

16) I am sorry, but if you believe the newest death of OBL, you’re stupid. Just think to yourself–they paraded Saddam’s dead sons around to prove they were dead–why do you suppose they hastily buried this version of OBL at sea? This lying, murderous Empire can only exist with your brainwashed consent–just put your flags away and THINK! — Cindy Sheehan

15) And don’t any of you, by the way, any of you guys vote Republican. I’m not supposed to say, this isn’t political. …don’t come to me if you do! You’re on your own, Jack! — Joe Biden

14) Some of these folks in Congress right now would love to see us as second-class citizens. Some of them in Congress right now with this tea party movement would love to see you and me … hanging on a tree. Some of them right now in Congress are comfortable with where we were 50 and 60 years ago but it’s a new day with a black President and a Congressional Black Caucus. — Andre Carson

13) All of you are white. Go to hell! Go to hell! Go to hell! Go to hell! — Dallas County Commissioner John Wiley Price

12) This is all about (Chris Christie) being a bully and a punk. I wanted to punch him in his head. — Senate President Stephen Sweeney

11) [Andrew Breitbart]…I want that bastard destroyed. Now.[...] when I say I want him destroyed I am not kidding. I want to see him penniless, homeless, begging on the street for money to buy food[...] he can die on the street so far as I’m concerned[...] let you and your rich ass Brentwood family suffer. — Tim Wise

10) You miserable son of a bitch, Rumsfeld! You miserable, murderous war criminal! sending people to die…sending American soldiers to die with your flip comment, ‘You go to war with the army you have!’ Sending people over there overprotected you slime ball! And you call Krugman’s post repugnant? You should be in the dark, put on trial and if the same laws applied to you as we applied to the German high command your ass would have been hanged months ago! You found Krugman’s column repugnant – the balls you people have – you and Cheney and Bush and all of you! —Mike Malloy

9) We might ask ourselves how we would be reacting if Iraqi commandos landed at George W. Bush’s compound, assassinated him, and dumped his body in the Atlantic. Uncontroversially, his crimes vastly exceed bin Laden’s, and he is not a “suspect” but uncontroversially the “decider” who gave the orders to commit the “supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole” (quoting the Nuremberg Tribunal) for which Nazi criminals were hanged: the hundreds of thousands of deaths, millions of refugees, destruction of much of the country, the bitter sectarian conflict that has now spread to the rest of the region.

…Same with the name, Operation Geronimo. The imperial mentality is so profound, throughout western society, that no one can perceive that they are glorifying bin Laden by identifying him with courageous resistance against genocidal invaders. It’s like naming our murder weapons after victims of our crimes: Apache, Tomahawk… It’s as if the Luftwaffe were to call its fighter planes “Jew” and “Gypsy.” —Noam Chomsky

8) My last word here out in the hallway just outside of [Lawrence O’Donnell’s] studio is that the police need to join us. In the same way the Egyptian army joined the people in Freedom Square there in Cairo. This is my appeal to the New York Police Department, the police departments all over the country. You are working class people. You’re not paid enough. You have the most dangerous job in the country, and these rich bastards on Wall Street they have ruined your 401(k)s, your pension funds, your future, your children’s future. Money that should be going to having better law enforcement has gone to needless wars in other lands. So, my appeal to the police is you are us and we are you, and join us. It’s fun. We’ll even let you beat on a bongo drum. That’s my last word. Thank you. — Michael Moore

7) You know, if a ballplayer threw a game and they get caught, they go to jail. Well, what are we going to do to the Republicans who are throwing the country?

“They’re throwing our country, and they all should be put in jail for what they’re doing, because they’re destroying our country, because they said at the beginning our one mission is to get rid of President O'bama. That was their mission. They don’t care how much they destroy other people. They don’t care whether you go to work. They don’t care about anything.

“All they want to do is destroy the president. And in destroying the president of the United States, you destroy our country. They should be put in jail, each and every one of them, for throwing the country. — Palm Beach County Commissioner, Burt Aaronson

6) I wish they (Republicans) were all f*cking dead! — Dan Savage

5) You know what, man? I am going to literally — if (Palin) gets elected president, I am going to hang out on the grassy knoll all the time, just loaded and ready — because you know what? It’s for my country. It’s for my country. If I got to sacrifice myself, it’s for my country. — Christopher Titus

4) I’m prepared to keep an open mind and propose another stunt for climate sceptics – put your strong views to the test by exposing yourselves to high concentrations of either carbon dioxide or some other colourless, odourless gas – say, carbon monoxide. You wouldn’t see or smell anything. Nor would your anti-science nonsense be heard of again. How very refreshing. — Jill Singer

3) (Palin) did a disservice to every woman in America. She knew from the first month of pregnancy that kid was going to be Down’s Syndrome. It’s brain dead. A virtual vegetable. She carries it to all these different political events against abortion, she did it just because she didn’t want to say she’d had an abortion. How long is it going to live? Another 12, 15 years? Doesn’t even know it’s in this world. So what kind of compassionate conservative is she? I don’t think anybody will want her near the White House. — Larry Flynt

2) So when does SEAL Unit 6, or whatever it’s called, drop in on George Bush? Bush was responsible for a lot more death, innocent death, than bin Laden. Wasn’t he, or am I wrong here? — Mike Malloy

1) Glen Rice is a wonderful man. He’s a wonderful guy. You want (Sarah Palin) to be with somebody like [Dennis] Rodman getting up … in there. Pushing her guts up in the back of her head! …Glen Rice is a nice, mellow, docile man, non-threatening guy. You want someone like Rodman — yeah baby! Let’s get that donkey in here now. [laughter] Just imagine Palin with a big old black stallion ripping. Yeehaw! [I]n life in general you know … everybody got to get that out of their system when they get out of college,” he said. “If you’re a black man, every white girl, every uppity middle class … everybody got to get their share of love. She could always get boned out by a black person, a vote to bang her. Other than a vote to run office, the only thing she can do … she’s not a bad person because she likes black people at least in her. Sarah Palin … she met the ‘wombshifter.’ —Mike Tyson on ESPN radio

 

03/09/12 7:50 AM

number 23 was of particular interest... did O'bama call her and offer his condolences? nope,

more 100% airtight undisputed unquestionable PROOF of the hypocrisy of the left, liberal d-bags

 

03/09/12 10:37 AM

Janeane Garofalo is 100 percent correct in that rather articulate remark.

I can see how this thread will play out:

1. Trevor makes some inflammatory post
2. A couple of users take the bait
3. Trevor's remarks are easily refuted
4. Trevor tries to offer a rather weak counter-argument
5. Trevor loses argument
6. Trever goes away for a few days/weeks
7. Trevor makes some inflammatory post
repeat:



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03/09/12 10:42 AM

trevoreriksmoen posted:
number 23 was of particular interest... did O'bama call her and offer his condolences? nope,

more 100% airtight undisputed unquestionable PROOF of the hypocrisy of the left, liberal d-bags

I didn't know Presidents had to call entertainers and apologize on behalf of other entertainers.

Who's going to call us and apologize on behalf of YOUR ignorance?

 

03/10/12 1:23 AM

RhettButler posted:
Janeane Garofalo is 100 percent correct in that rather articulate remark.

I can see how this thread will play out:

1. Trevor makes some inflammatory post
2. A couple of users take the bait
3. Trevor's remarks are easily refuted
4. Trevor tries to offer a rather weak counter-argument
5. Trevor loses argument
6. Trever goes away for a few days/weeks
7. Trevor makes some inflammatory post
repeat:
Haha...nailed it

 

03/11/12 2:19 PM

I guess I'll take the bait then:
Why is it extreme that Obama thinks he had some significant accomplishments? He enacted health care reform where many had tried and failed, he ended the Iraq war, he killed the most wanted terrorist ever, and he's bringing manufacturing back for the first time since the 1990s. Seems pretty good for the first few years of his first term--especially considering the fact that he inherited the worst economy since the great depression.

 

03/12/12 6:25 AM

chrisdonohue posted:
I guess I'll take the bait then:
Why is it extreme that Obama thinks he had some significant accomplishments? He enacted health care reform where many had tried and failed, he ended the Iraq war, he killed the most wanted terrorist ever, and he's bringing manufacturing back for the first time since the 1990s. Seems pretty good for the first few years of his first term--especially considering the fact that he inherited the worst economy since the great depression.

People like T'revor live in some alternate reality where things like facts and objectivity are irrelevant.

 

03/12/12 6:37 AM

I was just reading number 23 again and I made an error with an earlier post. I read the Janeane Garofalo quote, not the Ed Schultz one.

Ed Schultz was way out-of-line when he made that "slut" remark. He was suspended for a few days as he should have been. But he apologized. And unlike Rush, his apology was sincere and he owned up to it. And the President didn't comment on it because it's not his place to comment on what commentators say. If he had been asked I am sure that he would have condemned such a remark.

Rush Limbaugh on the other hand, is the de facto voice of what many in the Republican Party really think and the silence of the GOP on his "slut" remark speaks volumes.



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03/12/12 10:05 AM

They both should be executed(Rush and Shultz). Under no circumstance should any man DISCOURAGE slutty behavior.

 

03/12/12 10:30 AM

Why isn't "Nine, nine, nine" on that list??

 

03/14/12 1:36 PM

SeanS1220 posted:
Why isn't "Nine, nine, nine" on that list??
Yeah, and what about all the birther shit?

 

03/21/12 10:01 AM

chrisdonohue posted:
SeanS1220 posted:
Why isn't "Nine, nine, nine" on that list??
Yeah, and what about all the birther shit?

[africanpress.me]

eye rolling smiley

 

03/21/12 10:30 AM

RhettButler posted:
Janeane Garofalo is 100 percent correct in that rather articulate remark.


rhett, may I aks why you think republicans are racist? I think you should at least back up your accusations... if you can

 

03/21/12 2:59 PM

trevoreriksmoen posted:
chrisdonohue posted:
SeanS1220 posted:
Why isn't "Nine, nine, nine" on that list??
Yeah, and what about all the birther shit?

[africanpress.me]

eye rolling smiley
Thanks, now I remember how much I hate those stupid birthers...and how much I hate them more since Obama already showed his long form birth certificate. By the way, you don't believe any of that birther shit, right?

 

03/21/12 4:34 PM

trevoreriksmoen posted:
RhettButler posted:
Janeane Garofalo is 100 percent correct in that rather articulate remark.


rhett, may I aks why you think republicans are racist? I think you should at least back up your accusations... if you can

Let's look at the quote:

Herman Cain is probably well-liked by some of the Republicans because it hides the racist elements of the Republican Party, conservative movement and tea party movement. People like Karl Rove like to keep the racism very covert and so Herman Cain provides this great opportunity so he can say, ‘Look: This is not a racist anti-immigrant, anti-female, anti-gay movement. Look: We have a black man.’ And look he’s polling well and he won a straw poll. — Janeane Garofalo

Neither I nor Janeane Garofalo are calling all Republicans racist. She was pointing out that by having a black conservative, people like Karl Rove can say "look, we're not a party of racists and people who say racially insensitive things, we have Herman Cain in out party too."

 

03/22/12 9:59 PM

RhettButler posted:

Neither I nor Janeane Garofalo are calling all Republicans racist. She was pointing out that by having a black conservative, people like Karl Rove can say "look, we're not a party of racists and people who say racially insensitive things, we have Herman Cain in out party too."

so you think karl rove is racist? or just defending the party from the racist elements? aren't you and Janine giraffalo belittling Herman Cain by implying that he just a "token" republican?

Anyone with any credibility knows that whatever "racist elements" are anywhere, republican or democrat, don't decide the the nominees and sure as hell don't choose our presidents, do they?

Notice who it is though that always plays the race card... liberals... you know why? I won't even ask, I will tell you, it's because liberals need the racist issue to nullify their opponents, rather than counter their ideas, they just call them racists... how convenient.

 

03/23/12 12:56 AM

trevoreriksmoen posted:

Notice who it is though that always plays the race card... liberals... you know why? I won't even ask, I will tell you, it's because liberals need the racist issue to nullify their opponents, rather than counter their ideas, they just call them racists... how convenient.

Notice how conservatives want to be bigots, but don't want to be called bigots? They take no issue denying homosexuals equal protection under the law, disenfranchising minority voters through electoral gerrymandering, or, on the floor of state legislatures, proclaiming women fake rape reports in order to get abortions, but the moment anyone dares suggest these activities are in any way bigoted, then they turn on the fucking waterworks and play the martyr like Trevor here.

Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaaaambulance for the oppressed rich people who hold all of the power in this country. Surely, they are the most oppressed of us.

 

03/23/12 2:22 AM

Riktor posted:
trevoreriksmoen posted:

Notice who it is though that always plays the race card... liberals... you know why? I won't even ask, I will tell you, it's because liberals need the racist issue to nullify their opponents, rather than counter their ideas, they just call them racists... how convenient.

Notice how conservatives want to be bigots, but don't want to be called bigots? They take no issue denying homosexuals equal protection under the law, disenfranchising minority voters through electoral gerrymandering, or, on the floor of state legislatures, proclaiming women fake rape reports in order to get abortions, but the moment anyone dares suggest these activities are in any way bigoted, then they turn on the fucking waterworks and play the martyr like Trevor here.

Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaaaambulance for the oppressed rich people who hold all of the power in this country. Surely, they are the most oppressed of us.
Yeah; and there was a Canadian study done over thirty years showing that conservatives are more likely to be prejudgiced....and have low IQ, incidentally. "low intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward more conservative ideologies." it's not liberal opinion, conservatives are just really fucking stupid.

 

03/23/12 8:21 AM

t'orevoreriksmoen posted:
RhettButler posted:

Neither I nor Janeane Garofalo are calling all Republicans racist. She was pointing out that by having a black conservative, people like Karl Rove can say "look, we're not a party of racists and people who say racially insensitive things, we have Herman Cain in out party too."

so you think karl rove is racist? or just defending the party from the racist elements? aren't you and Janine giraffalo belittling Herman Cain by implying that he just a "token" republican?


Herman Cain is entitled to his beliefs and opinions. If he wants to be a conservative, fine. That doesn't make what Janeane Garofalo said any less true. Rove and people like him will make a point that they have a handful of blacks with them in order to paint themselves as a big-tent party, which the GOP is really anything but.

 

03/23/12 11:50 AM

posted:
conservatives are just really fucking stupid.

and this is how liberals debate, call people names, thanks for proving me rightsmileys with beer

posted:
They take no issue denying homosexuals equal protection under the law

well that's a lie, just because you say it don't make it true, what about clinton and his DADT policy for gays in the military? are you saying that he was conservative and bigoted? conservatives don't deny anyone equal protection and you CANNOT prove otherwise

posted:
disenfranchising minority voters through electoral gerrymandering

yes, how dare they demand for honest and fair elections? the audacity! and BTW, they require whites to show ID also, so why are you lying about this?

and yes, I did notice that none of you refuted that racists on either side don't choose the nominees, you can find bad apples everywhere, on both sides, but conservatives for the most part want to move past segregation, while liberals are hell bent on keeping the issue front and center, why is that?



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03/23/12 2:10 PM

trevoreriksmoen posted:
posted:
conservatives are just really fucking stupid.

and this is how liberals debate, call people names, thanks for proving me rightsmileys with beer
"stupid" is not a name. It just means that conservatives are statistically less likely to be smart.

trevoreriksmoen posted:
posted:
disenfranchising minority voters through electoral gerrymandering

yes, how dare they demand for honest and fair elections? the audacity! and BTW, they require whites to show ID also, so why are you lying about this?
Far fewer minorities have IDs than whites. This means that the voter ID laws will have disproportionately negative effects on minorities, driving down voter turnout for people most likely to vote democrat; which is plenty of motivation for the republicans pushing these laws. They will say their motivation is to fight fraud, but fraud has not been a problem--especially fraud involving ID. So they would be solving a problem that doesn't exist. So are they solving a problem that doesn't exist, or are they trying to get an unfair voting advantage against the democrats?

 

03/24/12 6:48 AM

T'Revor posted:
chrisdonohue posted:
conservatives are just really fucking stupid.

and this is how liberals debate, call people names, thanks for proving me right

No one should condone personal attacks or name calling, whatever their political affiliation. One comment on a message board doesn't "prove" anything. Watch some of the folks over at FOX News and then MSNBC and see who is more guilty of name calling.

Riktor posted:
They take no issue denying homosexuals equal protection under the law

T'Revor posted:
well that's a lie, just because you say it don't make it true, what about clinton and his DADT policy for gays in the military? are you saying that he was conservative and bigoted? conservatives don't deny anyone equal protection and you CANNOT prove otherwise

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DOMA and DADT were wrong and Clinton and the Democrats who went along with it were on the wrong side of history. No one is saying that the Democratic party is conservative, or that all Democrats are progressive. But people who fight for social justice and want equality for all tend to be members of the Democratic party. Some conservatives will then argue that it was Lincoln, a Republican, who freed the slaves and it was the Democratic party that was responsible for the Jim Crow South. While that is true, it is an intellectually dishonest point, as the Republican and Democratic Parties are not the same now as they were 50-150 years ago.

As for DOMA, that was in 1996 and was largely supported by the public. As of 2010 over fifty-percent of Americans favor marriage equality and most of those folks are not members of the GOP.

T'Revor posted:
yes, how dare they demand for honest and fair elections? the audacity! and BTW, they require whites to show ID also, so why are you lying about this?

A majority of people without an ID are minorities and minorities tend to vote Democrat. Who do you think these voter identification rules are going to benefit? Reported cases of voter fraud are very, very low btw.

T'Revor posted:
and yes, I did notice that none of you refuted that racists on either side don't choose the nominees, you can find bad apples everywhere, on both sides, but conservatives for the most part want to move past segregation, while liberals are hell bent on keeping the issue front and center, why is that?

No one should condone racism. Show me the (recent) quotes of racist remarks/policies from Democrats and I'll comment.

 

03/24/12 10:45 AM

RhettButler posted:
I was just reading number 23 again and I made an error with an earlier post. I read the Janeane Garofalo quote, not the Ed Schultz one.

Ed Schultz was way out-of-line when he made that "slut" remark. He was suspended for a few days as he should have been. But he apologized. And unlike Rush, his apology was sincere and he owned up to it. And the President didn't comment on it because it's not his place to comment on what commentators say. If he had been asked I am sure that he would have condemned such a remark.

Rush Limbaugh on the other hand, is the de facto voice of what many in the Republican Party really think and the silence of the GOP on his "slut" remark speaks volumes.

Both sides are wrong of course for using language that is ugly and offensive to women. It's downright misogynist. I hate it that these people normalize this kind of speech. THey make it more acceptable for men and women to call people whores, bitches, cunts and every ugly name that exists. Hate speech is what frightens me.

Enjoy your freedom of speech now. It may soon be a relic of the past.

 

03/24/12 11:50 AM

T'Revor posted:

yes, how dare they demand for honest and fair elections? the audacity! and BTW, they require whites to show ID also, so why are you lying about this?

How are identifications pertinent to electoral gerrymandering, T'Revor? I'm interested to know.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2012 12:55PM by Riktor.

 

03/24/12 12:42 PM

Xanthe posted:

Both sides are wrong of course for using language that is ugly and offensive to women. It's downright misogynist. I hate it that these people normalize this kind of speech. THey make it more acceptable for men and women to call people whores, bitches, cunts and every ugly name that exists. Hate speech is what frightens me.

Yes indeed. I tend to call both men and women whom I dislike "asshole," as it's gender neutral and universal.

 

03/24/12 1:11 PM

Xanthe posted:
RhettButler posted:
I was just reading number 23 again and I made an error with an earlier post. I read the Janeane Garofalo quote, not the Ed Schultz one.

Ed Schultz was way out-of-line when he made that "slut" remark. He was suspended for a few days as he should have been. But he apologized. And unlike Rush, his apology was sincere and he owned up to it. And the President didn't comment on it because it's not his place to comment on what commentators say. If he had been asked I am sure that he would have condemned such a remark.

Rush Limbaugh on the other hand, is the de facto voice of what many in the Republican Party really think and the silence of the GOP on his "slut" remark speaks volumes.

Both sides are wrong of course for using language that is ugly and offensive to women. It's downright misogynist. I hate it that these people normalize this kind of speech. THey make it more acceptable for men and women to call people whores, bitches, cunts and every ugly name that exists. Hate speech is what frightens me.

Enjoy your freedom of speech now. It may soon be a relic of the past.

Then I would argue your fears are misplaced.

Workaday slang can be thrown about without thought given to the words' original intent. As an example, it stands to reason a man could call a specific woman a bitch without having an overall negative attitude towards women. Chalk it up to a habit of language.

Some people use these terms because they do, in fact, feel themselves superior to woman. But many don't, and in that regard I'm far less worried about Bill Maher calling Sarah Palin a "cunt" than I am about the entire Republican Party in the State of Virginia rallying behind a bill that will require physicians to penetrate abortion-seeking women, without medical justification.

Systemic sexism, particularly that as expressed through the GOP, is what scares ME.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2012 01:12PM by Riktor.

 

03/24/12 1:47 PM

While not entirely on topic, I don't care what law they pass in Virginia no one can force you to get an ultrasound before your abortion. You take your legs out of the stirrups, get dressed and walk out the door. It's as simple as that. You can get your abortion elsewhere. No one is "forcibly raped" with an ultrasound wand. I don't think it constitutes rape if you go to the doctor and they do things to you, you don't want. If it does then I've been raped over and over by every gynecologist I've ever been to.

And as far as hate speech goes, it's a slippery slope to misogyny, I don't care what your party is.
The GOP is sexist no doubt. I will never understand a party that promotes small government but wants to be in your reproductive and private life business.

 

03/24/12 11:57 PM

Xanthe posted:
While not entirely on topic, I don't care what law they pass in Virginia no one can force you to get an ultrasound before your abortion. You take your legs out of the stirrups, get dressed and walk out the door. It's as simple as that. You can get your abortion elsewhere. No one is "forcibly raped" with an ultrasound wand. I don't think it constitutes rape if you go to the doctor and they do things to you, you don't want. If it does then I've been raped over and over by every gynecologist I've ever been to.

I didn't say it was rape. I said it was an unnecessary medical procedure, which, circumventing all standards of medical ethics established over the past thousand or so years, the government of the State of Virginia (Republicans) has seen fit to inflict solely upon women.

And you're right. The Republican "Small Government" mantra is absolute horseshit, and that mantra is really what's at the heart of this debate. Virginia Republicans passed a law which allows, to a degree, the state to override the decision-making of trained, licensed healthcare professionals, and thereby direct the treatment of independent citizens.

I certain hope you reconsider your position on this matter. Unlike Bill Maher's bad jokes, Virginia's law has real and immediate consequences, and tyrannical implications.

 

03/25/12 3:10 AM

I like bill maher's jokes...

 

04/04/12 3:35 AM

The only obnoxious thing I see in the original post is the misuse of "quote".

School's in, children:

"Quote" is a verb, and "quotation" is a noun. When you quote someone (verb), you repeat what they said. When you repeat what someone said, you're presenting a quotation (noun).

 
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