President Barack Obama wins Nobel Peace Prize
 
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10/12/09 6:19 AM

Okay... police brutality (although its not like they weren't provoked) has been happening in various forms for many years, i doubt Obama would ever condone it and don't see what it has to do with his policies.

 

10/12/09 9:07 PM

And to think I once dreamed of winning the nobel prize for discovering a new gene.
I wanted to become a clinical geneticist...gee, I guess anyone can win it obama did and for what?

I agree with everyone else.

smiling smiley

S.

 

10/13/09 1:15 AM

jasphiel posted:
And to think I once dreamed of winning the nobel prize for discovering a new gene.
I wanted to become a clinical geneticist...gee, I guess anyone can win it obama did and for what?

I agree with everyone else.

smiling smiley

S.

Winning the Nobel Prize for that is still an honor. The Nobel Prizes are awarded by Sweden except the Peace Prize, which is awarded by Norway. Nobody knows why.

 

10/13/09 7:49 PM

bat42 posted:
jasphiel posted:
And to think I once dreamed of winning the nobel prize for discovering a new gene.
I wanted to become a clinical geneticist...gee, I guess anyone can win it obama did and for what?

I agree with everyone else.

smiling smiley

S.

Winning the Nobel Prize for that is still an honor. The Nobel Prizes are awarded by Sweden except the Peace Prize, which is awarded by Norway. Nobody knows why.

Alfred Nobel demanded Norway award the peace prize because, at the time, Sweden had a history of militarism and expansionism.

 

10/13/09 9:32 PM

He's going to give the million+ dollars to charity but he could have declined to accept the prize but his ego said, "no way, man." It would have been classier to decline.

 

10/15/09 8:31 AM

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10/15/09 10:14 AM

Wow that comic is pretty much more logical than the real story of him getting the prize.

 

10/15/09 4:22 PM

I think the Norwegian Nobel Community got caught up in the moment when President Obama got elected, it's the only explanation. Still, I would look at it as a way to have some sort of pride in America when there have been so many things to be ashamed of over the last few years. This should be treated as an odd or even confusing event, but not a negative one.

That's just my opinion..

 

10/16/09 12:53 AM

Josslyn posted:
He's going to give the million+ dollars to charity but he could have declined to accept the prize but his ego said, "no way, man." It would have been classier to decline.

Please, that really stretching. They chose him for the new direction and hope he's generated with his election to the office of the POTUS. What's so hard about that?

 

10/16/09 7:42 PM

bluebayou posted:
Josslyn posted:
He's going to give the million+ dollars to charity but he could have declined to accept the prize but his ego said, "no way, man." It would have been classier to decline.

Please, that really stretching. They chose him for the new direction and hope he's generated with his election to the office of the POTUS. What's so hard about that?

Let's see, how about, "I cannot accept this since I have not yet accomplished all that I have set out to do. When I have truly made the world a better place in four years (or eight) then I would be honored but I have too much ahead of me." Stretching it? He's not a rock star and this isn't a trinket award. Now he may think he is because of the way people treat him like a messiah and have made sexy peace air-brushed paintings with unicorns and all that crap. I haven't seen Yoko Ono or Bono win one of these yet. And, gee, doesn't John Lennon=peace to so many people? Isn't that enough by this reasoning for him to get this posthumously? Why not?
A new direction? Hope? I haven't seen politics this angry from both sides under a Democratic president *who has done nothing concrete yet* in my lifetime (and I have voted in several elections).
Let him accomplish something real and we'll see what happens at the end of his last term. He's a normal man with a difficult job and hasn't had the time to make any real changes.
"He deserves it because we have hope" is as lame an excuse as any I've ever heard. "He deserves it because he 1-fixed healthcare, 2-ended a war, 3-ended the recession perhaps," is a lot more like it.

 

10/17/09 8:52 AM

Well said Josslyn!!

 

10/17/09 4:20 PM

Nobels aren't awarded posthumously.

 

10/17/09 9:23 PM

Josslyn posted:
bluebayou posted:
Josslyn posted:
He's going to give the million+ dollars to charity but he could have declined to accept the prize but his ego said, "no way, man." It would have been classier to decline.

Please, that really stretching. They chose him for the new direction and hope he's generated with his election to the office of the POTUS. What's so hard about that?

Let's see, how about, "I cannot accept this since I have not yet accomplished all that I have set out to do. When I have truly made the world a better place in four years (or eight) then I would be honored but I have too much ahead of me." Stretching it? He's not a rock star and this isn't a trinket award. Now he may think he is because of the way people treat him like a messiah and have made sexy peace air-brushed paintings with unicorns and all that crap. I haven't seen Yoko Ono or Bono win one of these yet. And, gee, doesn't John Lennon=peace to so many people? Isn't that enough by this reasoning for him to get this posthumously? Why not?
A new direction? Hope? I haven't seen politics this angry from both sides under a Democratic president *who has done nothing concrete yet* in my lifetime (and I have voted in several elections).
Let him accomplish something real and we'll see what happens at the end of his last term. He's a normal man with a difficult job and hasn't had the time to make any real changes.
"He deserves it because we have hope" is as lame an excuse as any I've ever heard. "He deserves it because he 1-fixed healthcare, 2-ended a war, 3-ended the recession perhaps," is a lot more like it.

It wouldn't change anything if he declined, in fact, it would probably create more attention and more people would hold him up as a rock star if he did that. He said he didn't deserve it either. And I said that his nomination had generated hope, not that he deserved it because of that. If you're going to quote someone, do it right.

My main point is why the hell is this such a big deal?

 

10/18/09 5:08 AM

bluebayou posted:
It wouldn't change anything if he declined, in fact, it would probably create more attention and more people would hold him up as a rock star if he did that. He said he didn't deserve it either. And I said that his nomination had generated hope, not that he deserved it because of that. If you're going to quote someone, do it right.

My main point is why the hell is this such a big deal?

You're right more people would hold up as a rock star had he declined the prize and rightly so. Declining the prize would shown some humility and modesty from a position that's been filled with men lacking both qualities for a long time. It would have really shown, in a fairly powerful way (at least IMO), that the president for once since probably Kennedy (if not earlier than Kennedy) put the job before his own vanity.

And ultimately it's a big deal because a Nobel Peace Prize used to be synonymous with raising the bar in terms of accomplishing achievements despite many obstacles. Granted, the prestige of the prize has dwindled consistently for many years but this just basically kills any remaining creditability the prize maintained. Sure, Obama is making some slow progress and things will might get better under his term(s) in office but that's down the road, not now as everyone has pointed out. But still the fact is the Nobel is like the gold medal in Olympics or the Field's Medal in mathematics or the Medal of Honor in the military; it's the highest honor someone can recieve for the actions/moments that sets a person apart from the majority.

 

10/18/09 2:52 PM

bat42 posted:
Nobels aren't awarded posthumously.

Doesn't mean they won't start at some point.

 

10/18/09 3:01 PM

bluebayou posted:
Josslyn posted:
bluebayou posted:
Josslyn posted:
He's going to give the million+ dollars to charity but he could have declined to accept the prize but his ego said, "no way, man." It would have been classier to decline.

Please, that really stretching. They chose him for the new direction and hope he's generated with his election to the office of the POTUS. What's so hard about that?

Let's see, how about, "I cannot accept this since I have not yet accomplished all that I have set out to do. When I have truly made the world a better place in four years (or eight) then I would be honored but I have too much ahead of me." Stretching it? He's not a rock star and this isn't a trinket award. Now he may think he is because of the way people treat him like a messiah and have made sexy peace air-brushed paintings with unicorns and all that crap. I haven't seen Yoko Ono or Bono win one of these yet. And, gee, doesn't John Lennon=peace to so many people? Isn't that enough by this reasoning for him to get this posthumously? Why not?
A new direction? Hope? I haven't seen politics this angry from both sides under a Democratic president *who has done nothing concrete yet* in my lifetime (and I have voted in several elections).
Let him accomplish something real and we'll see what happens at the end of his last term. He's a normal man with a difficult job and hasn't had the time to make any real changes.
"He deserves it because we have hope" is as lame an excuse as any I've ever heard. "He deserves it because he 1-fixed healthcare, 2-ended a war, 3-ended the recession perhaps," is a lot more like it.

It wouldn't change anything if he declined, in fact, it would probably create more attention and more people would hold him up as a rock star if he did that. He said he didn't deserve it either. And I said that his nomination had generated hope, not that he deserved it because of that. If you're going to quote someone, do it right.

My main point is why the hell is this such a big deal?

Quote you right? Did you read my post? Probably not as THAT REALLY STRETCHING it. (Nice grammar, by the way.)
It'a a big deal because people are making it a big deal just like everything else in the "news" like Balloon Boy and the Great Debate on Jessica Simpson's Weight. It may not deserve to be a big deal just as these other topics do not but you say they awarded him "for the new direction and hope he's generated with his election to the office of the POTUS." (I assume POTUS is People of the United States.) Did I say that you specifically said he deserved it? Uh, no. Many other people have said as much. Before you jump all over anyone, you should try reading what they posted and not take everything in it personally since your opinion matters as much as mine or anyone else's and not more.

 

10/19/09 12:30 AM

Wall Street Journal posted:
Nobel Committee Chairman Draws Fire Over Pick
By PAUL SONNE and GUY CHAZAN

Thorbjørn Jagland helped shepherd the Nobel Peace Prize to U.S. President Barack Obama, setting off a war over whether the award was deserved -- and landing himself squarely in the crosshairs.

Mr. Jagland is the stoic Norwegian chairman of the five-member Nobel Peace Prize committee, which stunned the world when it honored Mr. Obama with this year's award just months into his presidency. The announcement ignited a Nordic whodunit to determine what went on behind the committee's closed doors.

In pursuit of an explanation, most roads track to Mr. Jagland's door. Norwegian political experts say the 58-year-old, a first-time member of the committee who once served as prime minister and now heads the Council of Europe, which promotes democracy and human rights on the Continent, pressed Mr. Obama's candidacy and played a crucial role in crowning him this year's honoree.

Despite the outcry surrounding this year's award, Mr. Jagland has weathered the storm with reserve. He says accusations that he personally pushed the choice reflect Norwegian domestic political intrigue, and maintains that while he had an impact, the decision was taken unanimously and hardly his alone.
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At the same time, he fiercely defends this year's prize. "If you are not able to make a courageous decision, you cannot help move the world in the right direction," Mr. Jagland said in an interview Thursday from the Council of Europe in Strasbourg. "If you are afraid of criticism or debate, then you shouldn't have that kind of position or be in politics at all."

The Obama prize has generated debate and become an instant punch line around the world. When David Beckham was named "man of the match" in England's World Cup qualifying soccer game this week despite playing for just 30 minutes, his coach, Fabio Capello, mocked the honor as being "like Obama getting the Nobel Prize."

The five members of the Nobel Committee represent parties from across the political spectrum and are elected by the Norwegian Parliament. Each recipient of a peace prize receives a cash award of about $1.4 million from a fund endowed by Swedish industrialist Alfred Nobel. (The White House said Mr. Obama will give the money to charity.) Though the fund lost 19% of its value last year amid the global recession, it has fared better than some other major endowments.

Coming from a committee headed by Mr. Jagland, the award makes sense. He is often described as a risk taker who thinks on a grand scale -- an intellectual who, at times, has faced trouble translating his vision into practical policies.

The son of a shipyard welder and a cook, Mr. Jagland rose to prominence in the Norwegian Labor Party. In a 1990 book called "My European Dream," he articulated his vision for a united Europe in the wake of the Berlin Wall's collapse. Like Mr. Obama, he preaches a politics of acceptance, which most recently came to the fore when he warned of growing Islamophobia and anti-Islamic fear-mongering in Europe.

"It's easy to see why a great visionary like Obama appeals to Jagland," said Lars Halvor Mageroy, commentary editor at Norwegian tabloid Verdens Gang. "People say that vision is all that Obama has to show at this point, but Jagland is a politician who finds that aspect of politics to be of great significance."

Asked about his political values, Mr. Jagland cited a respect for human rights, plus the Scandinavian belief in fair distribution of incomes and the right to free health care that every Norwegian enjoys. He classifies himself in the social-democratic tradition of European leaders whose outlook combines faith in international cooperation and diplomacy with trust in social welfare at home.

Such clues prompted Gerhard Helskog to become one of the few journalists in Norway to predict this year's Peace Prize winner correctly. "He likes to talk about big moments in history," Mr. Helskog said. "I think he went to the committee and said, 'Let's think big…let's start a discussion.'" In a television interview before the announcement, Mr. Jagland said he wanted this year's prize to prompt people from around the world to nod in approval -- which Mr. Helskog took as a sign that this year's recipient would be a recognizable international figure.

A recent poll found that about 43% of Norwegians think Mr. Obama deserved the award. Siv Jensen, leader of the opposition Progress Party, nonetheless has called for Mr. Jagland to step down from the Nobel committee chairmanship. She says it is a conflict of interest for him to run the Council of Europe and also choose the Peace Prize winner. If a human-rights advocate from a given country came up for the prize, he might not want to choose that person because it would endanger the Council's dealings with that country, she says. She also credited him with pushing Mr. Obama's candidacy. "It was his decision," she says. "Jagland was seeking publicity for himself."

Mr. Jagland says the prize doesn't need more publicity, and that a member of Ms. Jensen's party on the Nobel committee agreed on choosing Mr. Obama.

Detractors claim Mr. Jagland advocated for Mr. Obama because he wanted to bring the president to Norway. Others say he and the committee slighted more worthy candidates, such as imprisoned Chinese activist Hu Jia and Zimbabwean Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai and Afghan human-rights worker Sima Samar, all of whom could use the protection and support a Nobel Peace Prize would bring.

Under the leadership of the previous chairman, Ole Danbolt Mjos, the committee selected relatively low-profile laureates -- Iranian human-rights advocate Shirin Ebadi, Kenyan environmentalist Wangari Maathai, Bangladeshi microfinance banker Muhammad Yunus and Finnish diplomat Martti Ahtisaari -- with the exception of the 2007 winner, former Vice President Al Gore.

The Obama award comes as the president is weighing sending more U.S. troops to Afghanistan. Mr. Jagland counters that Afghanistan didn't begin with the U.S., but rather with a joint United Nations Security Council resolution.

"I don't share the view that this is something Barack Obama should have to resolve on his own, and that is something he is also saying -- that everyone has to take their share, not only there, but in all other conflicts we have globally," Mr. Jagland says.

 
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