Trent Questions/Mod selection Discussion

Trent Questions/Mod selection Discussion

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04/08/09 11:04 AM
Thelema member Joined: 11/25/07 Location: Austin Posts: 730	OMS posted: I also like the idea of some silly (not ridiculous) questions. All the serious/technical questions don't appeal to everyone. Not everyone is well schooled in or care about musical instruments, ARG, yada yada...so some real down to earth questions would be nice. I agree. I understand omitting the obviously over the line personal questions, but to be honest I don't even bother reading most of the questions pertaining to anything too technical. Over the past few months he's done quite the 360 degree turn in terms of interacting with us, and I think we should take advantage of that--respectfully, of course. edit yeah something like the one you asked: OMS posted: Would you consider having an "assistant or staff member" for the day during the NINJA tour? (If yes, can it be decided off of nin.com and not the local radio stations as there are many fans who travel out of state to see the shows, and would not be able to participate in local contests) Why or why not? That sounds like fun, as long as it doesn't involve washing underwear or touching his feet. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 10:28AM by Thelema.
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04/08/09 10:08 AM
Shitfuckdamn There's my Chippy! Joined: 07/01/08 Location: EVERYWHERE IN THE US Posts: 1,454	Malechite posted: jayetheartist posted: pragmatica posted: Or, a combination could be done: Those individuals would narrow it down to 25-50 questions and the fan community would vote on those as a nice hybrid method that should, hopefully, satisfy most! I second this idea. Oh, and also could we maybe do something to ensure a mix of silly and serious questions? Maybe two different votes? This could work, but I suggest the following: 1) 20 questions... 25-50 is way too many. 2) Veto power. If a question gets voted up way too high thats too similar to another we would have to switch it out, although this shouldnt be liekely since the questions are pre-screened I agree with the 20 questions pick. Narrow it down, weed out the less profound questions, and ultimately let the public have the last say. That way in the end, the public doesn't feel cheated out of picking the best "fan" questions. However - veto power isn't necessary. If there are questions left in the "Top 20" that the central figures could want to veto, it shouldn't be left in the running anyway. You're only going to get people who are sore about the fact that their chosen question was taken away from them at the last second due to indecision.
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04/08/09 10:08 AM
Malechite member Ninwiki admin Joined: 04/23/08 Location: Milwaukee WI Posts: 39	pragmatica posted: Malechite: narrowing it down to 20 questions that get voted on to choose the top 10 sounds good to me too. I'm just not sure how many pages of questions there will be in the end, and figured there might be so many that 25-50 might be warranted if there ends up being a lot of really good questions posed. There's going to be tons of pages of questions... But a lot of them are going to be similar to others or completely ridiculous or already been answered, I don't think narrowing to 20 will be difficult
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04/08/09 10:09 AM
OMS member BFT Joined: 05/04/08 Location: the abstract Posts: 9,131	Thelema posted: OMS posted: I also like the idea of some silly (not ridiculous) questions. All the serious/technical questions don't appeal to everyone. Not everyone is well schooled in or care about musical instruments, ARG, yada yada...so some real down to earth questions would be nice. I agree. I understand omitting the obviously over the line personal questions, but to be honest I don't even bother reading most of the questions pertaining to anything too technical. Over the past few months he's done quite the 360 degree turn in terms of interacting with us, and I think we should take advantage of that--respectfully, of course. Exactly! I sorta see this as our golden opportunity to get to know Trent...as much as he is comfortable with. You know, questions that Wired and Rolling Stone and the typical radio station questions are getting boring.
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04/08/09 10:16 AM
KatKatKat member Joined: 09/03/08 Location: Philly Posts: 254	OMS posted: Thelema posted: OMS posted: I also like the idea of some silly (not ridiculous) questions. All the serious/technical questions don't appeal to everyone. Not everyone is well schooled in or care about musical instruments, ARG, yada yada...so some real down to earth questions would be nice. I agree. I understand omitting the obviously over the line personal questions, but to be honest I don't even bother reading most of the questions pertaining to anything too technical. Over the past few months he's done quite the 360 degree turn in terms of interacting with us, and I think we should take advantage of that--respectfully, of course. Exactly! I sorta see this as our golden opportunity to get to know Trent...as much as he is comfortable with. You know, questions that Wired and Rolling Stone and the typical radio station questions are getting boring. +3 or whatever..I was starting to feel like I was the only one who doesn't understand all the techy/music talk.
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04/08/09 10:16 AM
Tristessa member Pralines and Dick Joined: 08/16/08 Location: Cananada Posts: 2,543	jayetheartist posted: pragmatica posted: Or, a combination could be done: Those individuals would narrow it down to 25-50 questions and the fan community would vote on those as a nice hybrid method that should, hopefully, satisfy most! I second this idea. Oh, and also could we maybe do something to ensure a mix of silly and serious questions? Maybe two different votes? I agree with Prag on a mix of choosing and then voting on 20-25 questions. I also agree with Jaye in that it would be nice to see a nice mix of serious and silly questions. It seems that the same questions come up over and over in interviews and Q&A sessions; "What will you do during the break?" "Will you ever re-release PHM, TDS, The Fragile deluxes, .wav files, etc?" "What is your opinion on 'the music industry', 'x band', current distribution models'" BLAH BLAH BLAH...That's great to know, but sometimes i just wanna hear about the small stuff that reminds us that TR is a living, breathing, human being just like the rest of us. I thought the 'most embarrassing song on the ipod' question was hilarious. Maybe we can have a 5-10 question session of the serious questions and then a 2 minute quick-fire round of the silly questions. Short questions, short answers, as many as he can get through in 2 minutes. (Example: 'The 2:20' on Canadian Show "The Hour" with guest Gordon Ramsay) just a thought.
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04/08/09 10:20 AM
Malechite member Ninwiki admin Joined: 04/23/08 Location: Milwaukee WI Posts: 39	Tristessa posted: It seems that the same questions come up over and over in interviews and Q&A sessions; "What will you do during the break?" "Will you ever re-release PHM, TDS, The Fragile deluxes, .wav files, etc?" "What is your opinion on 'the music industry', 'x band', current distribution models'" BLAH BLAH BLAH... I guarantee you that the people choosing the questions wont pick anything about the music industry etc... we've heard it all before. That's the point of having a "selection committee" from the NIN community.
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04/08/09 11:00 AM
Shitfuckdamn There's my Chippy! Joined: 07/01/08 Location: EVERYWHERE IN THE US Posts: 1,454	So... ahem There's that thing about how to go about nominating those worthy of choosing? Not sure how we're going to go about finalizing this list but... Here are some of my picks: eatyourblud lt.randazzo orestes allegro JessicaSarahS ItsJustDave SwimFin heroicraptor leviathant icklekitty
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04/08/09 12:09 PM
leo3375 You: go fuck yourself. Joined: 11/26/07 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,297	I wouldn't be against throwing in the "Inside the Actor's Studio" questionnaire at the end of it, after he answers the fans' questions. I also like the idea of having a select group of "super NIN nerds" sift through and see what has already been answered ad nauseum, edit down the longer questions into something simpler, and then picking the Top 25 and letting you guys vote on them on an outside site.
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04/08/09 11:23 AM
jd84 member Joined: 09/25/08 Posts: 410	leo3375 posted: I also like the idea of having a select group of "super NIN nerds" sift through and see what has already been answered ad nauseum, edit down the longer questions into something simpler, and then picking the Top 25 and letting you guys vote on them on an outside site. I'm not so sure about this idea just because it will become a popularity contest (i.e. those who post most frequently will most likely be chosen to sift through the questions). I think if anything, the moderators should go through the questions and narrow them down to 20 and then we can vote and the top 10.
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04/08/09 11:25 AM
Malechite member Ninwiki admin Joined: 04/23/08 Location: Milwaukee WI Posts: 39	jd84 posted: I'm not so sure about this idea just because it will become a popularity contest (i.e. those who post most frequently will most likely be chosen to sift through the questions). I think if anything, the moderators should go through the questions and narrow them down to 20 and then we can vote and the top 10. This will not be based on post count. It will be people nominated who are prominent members of the NIN community as a whole, not just nin.com.
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04/08/09 12:26 PM
Thelema member Joined: 11/25/07 Location: Austin Posts: 730	jd84 posted: I'm not so sure about this idea just because it will become a popularity contest (i.e. those who post most frequently will most likely be chosen to sift through the questions). I think if anything, the moderators should go through the questions and narrow them down to 20 and then we can vote and the top 10. I agree. And based on the names already thrown around it's just going to turn into an ETS vs. Spiral battle and I'm SO OVER IT.
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04/08/09 12:26 PM
leo3375 You: go fuck yourself. Joined: 11/26/07 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,297	That might be more fair. Then it wouldn't become a mod popularity contest.
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04/08/09 11:29 AM
Shitfuckdamn There's my Chippy! Joined: 07/01/08 Location: EVERYWHERE IN THE US Posts: 1,454	jd84 posted: leo3375 posted: I also like the idea of having a select group of "super NIN nerds" sift through and see what has already been answered ad nauseum, edit down the longer questions into something simpler, and then picking the Top 25 and letting you guys vote on them on an outside site. I'm not so sure about this idea just because it will become a popularity contest (i.e. those who post most frequently will most likely be chosen to sift through the questions). I think if anything, the moderators should go through the questions and narrow them down to 20 and then we can vote and the top 10. No. It's not a popularity contest (however, in a way, maybe the more influential people around here are more well known because of their influence in conversations on NIN or their overall wisdom concerning the topics, which in that case: would it matter much?) It's simple. Vote for someone that you respect for their opinion and intelligence in regards to NIN knowledge to be someone who goes through the questions. Don't vote for people who vomit posts all over nin.com. EDIT: And as for only using mods for question pickers: let's keep in mind that there is a difference between the ability to organize a forum and the ability to be a NIN nerd. Mods also aren't the only ones with a sense of diplomacy and general common sense for helping to organize something like this. Yeah - there are some mods that should be included in this process, but I think that there are others that should be part of the picking. (No offense, mods) Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 11:37AM by Shitfuckdamn.
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04/08/09 11:45 AM
OMS member BFT Joined: 05/04/08 Location: the abstract Posts: 9,131	Since Trent has been so kind to do this here, at nin.com, I think the super geeks need to come from a pool of nin.com members. Mods/regular members. There's enough of them here, very competent...I'm sure they can get the job done. Oh, and this... posted: I agree. And based on the names already thrown around it's just going to turn into an ETS vs. Spiral battle and I'm SO OVER IT. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 11:47AM by OMS.
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04/08/09 12:47 PM
Thelema member Joined: 11/25/07 Location: Austin Posts: 730	OMS posted: Since Trent has been so kind to do this here, at nin.com, I think the super geeks need to come from a pool of nin.com members. Mods/regular members. There's enough of them here, very competent...I'm sure they can get the job done. Oh, and this... posted: I agree. And based on the names already thrown around it's just going to turn into an ETS vs. Spiral battle and I'm SO OVER IT. Nominate some folks, then!
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04/08/09 11:51 AM
Shitfuckdamn There's my Chippy! Joined: 07/01/08 Location: EVERYWHERE IN THE US Posts: 1,454	Thelema posted: OMS posted: Since Trent has been so kind to do this here, at nin.com, I think the super geeks need to come from a pool of nin.com members. Mods/regular members. There's enough of them here, very competent...I'm sure they can get the job done. Oh, and this... posted: I agree. And based on the names already thrown around it's just going to turn into an ETS vs. Spiral battle and I'm SO OVER IT. Nominate some folks, then! This. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 11:56AM by Shitfuckdamn.
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04/08/09 11:52 AM
OMS member BFT Joined: 05/04/08 Location: the abstract Posts: 9,131	Thelma...I don't have enough NIN/TR knowledge to judge that...meaning, I don't hang in the those types of threads to know if someone is talking out their ass or not. It would be like me picking the Westminster dog show judges. I just don't want to see this as a power struggle...which it has a potential of being. ETA...I quoted your statement...can you list some people? Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 11:53AM by OMS.
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04/08/09 11:53 AM
Malechite member Ninwiki admin Joined: 04/23/08 Location: Milwaukee WI Posts: 39	Also, really. This isn't a battle, its about the community coming together as a whole no matter where they are from. besides, almost everyone is a member of nin.com forums anyway, they just might not choose to post here. The people who are picked should be a mixture to make it fair... why alienate members from half the community who may have been around far longer, and have vast amounts of NIN knowledge? besides, we are all civilized and intelligent, the NIN super geeks will be able to be civil and not bicker when it comes to deciding the questions. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 11:54AM by Malechite.
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04/08/09 11:56 AM
OMS member BFT Joined: 05/04/08 Location: the abstract Posts: 9,131	I didn't realize that half of the community was not already a member at nin.com. I assumed they would be just for the simple fact that they would be buying pre-sale tix from here. Sorry if I am mistaken.
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04/08/09 11:57 AM
Shitfuckdamn There's my Chippy! Joined: 07/01/08 Location: EVERYWHERE IN THE US Posts: 1,454	How bout this? : Let's say we open another thread meant only for a "Question Committee." Everyone can nominate up to 5-10 people that they respect within the NIN community. No debates. No commentary. Just a list of people. The people mentioned the most will be assigned to go through the questions at the end of the question submission period (Saturday?), will discuss in IRC (?), and post the top 20-25 in a new thread in which the public will be able to vote on within a span of two days. Savvy? Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 11:59AM by Shitfuckdamn.
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04/08/09 12:57 PM
ItsJustDave thanks for the nut Joined: 11/25/07 Location: Western New York Posts: 119	A few thoughts on analyzing the questions: First Pass: Merge repeats Second Pass: Identify questions that we (the fan community) already know the answer to and provide links/sources. Third Pass: Whittle the remaining questions down to a reasonable set to be voted upon. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 11:58AM by ItsJustDave.
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04/08/09 11:59 AM
Leviathant member No! Joined: 11/22/07 Location: Philadelphia PA Posts: 19	The only people who turn anything into NIN vs ETS are here on nin.com. When I started The NIN Hotline, there was already a large NIN news site run by Evan Moore, called Seems Like Salvation. People manufactured the notion that there was some rivalry between the two, but that was ridiculous. Evan and I hung out, I ended up running the SLSnews message board, from which EchoingTheSound eventually came to be. That forum has coexisted along with Digital Noise, Perfect Isolation, Burning Souls, The Spiral, and now forum.nin.com Everything I have done with regards to Nine Inch Nails on the web has been foremost in the spirit of cooperation, not competition. I link directly to other major sites from within the navigation of the Hotline. No one worth their salt is going to turn this into an us vs. them. OMS, you say you're over that too, yet your post is playing favorites. Pick one. As a general statement: Get over your sense of entitlement. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 12:00PM by Leviathant.
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04/08/09 12:00 PM
lisa member Lisa Joined: 11/27/07 Location: east bumfuck Posts: 395	Pick six or seven non mods to pick out their favorite questions (say three each), which then get passed on to a mod or two. Out of those 18 or 21 questions, have the mods pick out which 10 go to Trent. Sort-of like Shitfuck is saying. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 12:01PM by lisa.
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04/08/09 12:01 PM
KatKatKat member Joined: 09/03/08 Location: Philly Posts: 254	I think there should be a dance-off to decide For those who do whittle down the questions, I wonder if they would be so kind as to point people in the direction of where to find the answers to their questions... The ones that don't make it to the "final" list, I mean.
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04/08/09 12:05 PM
Malechite member Ninwiki admin Joined: 04/23/08 Location: Milwaukee WI Posts: 39	KatKatKat posted: I think there should be a dance-off to decide For those who do whittle down the questions, I wonder if they would be so kind as to point people in the direction of where to find the answers to their questions... The ones that don't make it to the "final" list, I mean. I know Leviathant does a really good job of tracking down exactly what article something was said in. But there will also be a high volume of questions. Its easy to find the answers if you do a little looking. Also this leo3375 posted: 1. NIN Wiki 2. The NIN Hotline's interview archive 3. Various interviews on YouTube, Vimeo, etc. In all seriousness, I think some people are starting to get a little too detail-oriented. VVVVVV Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 12:08PM by Malechite.
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04/08/09 1:06 PM
leo3375 You: go fuck yourself. Joined: 11/26/07 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,297	1. NIN Wiki 2. The NIN Hotline's interview archive 3. Various interviews on YouTube, Vimeo, etc. In all seriousness, I think some people are starting to get a little too detail-oriented. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 12:06PM by leo3375.
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04/08/09 12:06 PM
OMS member BFT Joined: 05/04/08 Location: the abstract Posts: 9,131	Leviathant posted: No one worth their salt is going to turn this into an us vs. them. OMS, you say you're over that too, yet your post is doing exactly that. Like I said...I thought most of the community are already members here, if nothing more than buying tix. Anyway, whatever...I am sure there will be a fair and equitable solution. Everybody has a lot of good ideas...I like shitfuckdamn's suggestion of a committee nominating thread. And like I said, I will not throw out names since I am not aware of everyone's potential. I have not spent enough time with everyone to make nomination. Oh, but I would like to add, you don't have to be a super geek to pick out fun/silly questions...so I don't think the committee needs to be full of super geeks. A few experts can get the job done. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 12:07PM by OMS.
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04/08/09 1:08 PM
leo3375 You: go fuck yourself. Joined: 11/26/07 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,297	OMS posted: Anyway, whatever...I am sure there will be a fair and equitable solution. Everybody has a lot of good ideas...I like shitfuckdamn's suggestion of a committee nominating thread. My concern is that it would be too much red tape and would end up being more hassle than it's really worth.
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04/08/09 12:09 PM
OMS member BFT Joined: 05/04/08 Location: the abstract Posts: 9,131	leo3375 posted: 1. NIN Wiki 2. The NIN Hotline's interview archive 3. Various interviews on YouTube, Vimeo, etc. In all seriousness, I think some people are starting to get a little too detail-oriented. Like trying to turn this into a super-project. Yes....a little over thinking. This is suppose to be fun for everyone. ETA...Leo, I see your above response....true. Gahhhh! Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 12:10PM by OMS.
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