Trent Questions/Mod selection Discussion
 
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04/08/09 3:37 PM

marvelous idea! you guys are so smart smiling smiley

 

04/08/09 3:42 PM

guilty posted:
FYI

We found a solution for the voting mechanism.

As we already have RATING capabilities in the nin.com IMAGES gallery, the questions will be summarized as per DIGG & made into JPEGS that will be uploaded to the nin.com IMAGES site in its own gallery; closed, much like official galleries.

There are many advantages to this method. One vote per person, as it is also linked to the nin.com user database.

This method has already had NIN camp approval. It should be available for use before the end of Question period Friday.

FYI

-g-

Awesome. Great job, guilty.

 

04/08/09 3:46 PM

I am really concerned that people are not going to be aware of the voting going on now that it has been moved to this area of the forum.

Anyone else?

 

04/08/09 4:05 PM

pragmatica posted:
KatKatKat posted:
I understand the original Q&A thread would need to be edited for brevity and repeat questions (both questions that have been asked of him in other interviews AND that have already been asked several times within the thread itself). But beyond that, what happened to Trent reading the thread and selecting the questions he likes? I thought that was how it was going to happen...?

Forgive me if this was already answered elsewhere...

No problem. Last night Trent informed us via PM that he wanted it narrowed down to 10 questions that get presented to him, rather than him sifting through them. So, now we're just hashing out the best way to narrow it down to satisfy the fan base in a fair manner.

Malechite: narrowing it down to 20 questions that get voted on to choose the top 10 sounds good to me too. I'm just not sure how many pages of questions there will be in the end, and figured there might be so many that 25-50 might be warranted if there ends up being a lot of really good questions posed.

Oh, to the person who asked where we actually go to submit our questions for Trent, there is a separate thread for that here.

Well, that changes EVERYTHING! The details/number of questions should have been provided at the start. The way it's set up now, it would seem easier if Trent just randomly picked a few questions. (Or just went in order, trying to pick 1 question from 1-2 pages.) The reason for that, is because some of the questions asked, he might not have an accurate answer to/might not want to answer. So instead of just answering what ones we picked, he could answer the ones he DOES have an answer to/ones he finds interesting as well.
BUT ..if he clearly stated he wanted US to pick them. (Probably because he wanted it to seem fair/group effort.) I guess that's what we should do! I like the idea of the rating system set up like digg. T.G. for that! LOL

It would seem easier to just give him the questions, and let him answer them in a video. Have a random person he knows ask them? (Or meathead, would be a cool idea! lol) Maybe he can make video clips asking the questions. Or if he lives close enough, actually conduct the interview himself.

If you wanted to do have the mods ask them. First you have to post all the names of the ones that WANT to participate in this. It would seem most fair to divide the questions up, or make a poll on a poll site like [pollcode.com] and have everyone here vote. In the options include all the mods names that want to participate, and perhaps an option for ALL MODS (which means each mod could ask one, or something.)

Those are just a few ideas. If anyone has any others/opinions on this, feel free to chime in!

 

04/08/09 4:10 PM

OMS posted:
I am really concerned that people are not going to be aware of the voting going on now that it has been moved to this area of the forum.

Anyone else?

Yes. Most people don't seem to usually visit this part of the forum. (Even if you link it in threads, people tend to skip pages when the threads are long.)

 

04/08/09 4:17 PM

Perfect666Drug posted:
OMS posted:
I am really concerned that people are not going to be aware of the voting going on now that it has been moved to this area of the forum.

Anyone else?

Yes. Most people don't seem to usually visit this part of the forum. (Even if you link it in threads, people tend to skip pages when the threads are long.)

I'm trying my best to spread the word.

 

04/08/09 4:32 PM

FYI

We'll make sure the link to the VOTING gallery get super-saturated posted onto the forums/chat/Twitter/etc smiling smiley

We want a big turn-out smiling smiley

-g-

 

04/08/09 4:43 PM

^Very cool! Thanks for setting that up! (We'd be so lost without that system! haha)

& Thanks for spreading the word OMS!

 

04/08/09 4:45 PM

Perfect666Drug posted:
^Very cool! Thanks for setting that up! (We'd be so lost without that system! haha)

& Thanks for spreading the word OMS!

I'm spreading the word...but they aren't understanding the instructions. And yes, I am linking the thread.

::head explodes::

 

04/08/09 8:05 PM

pragmatica posted:
One thing the mods foresee needing to do is edit some questions down for brevity. As you've noticed, some are very, very long and that also makes them unsuitable to fit into some polling software which usually has character limits on how long a question can be.

Also, one of the mods brought up possibly using polldaddy.com for polling once the questions are edited for reasonable brevity. I thought I'd toss it out there to you guys as another possible option to investigate, though I'm not sure how it'd be made secure so only people redirected from nin.com can get in.

I like Malechite's idea of intelligent, informed selection of the 10 questions by people heavily involved in the NIN community. Just because something is voted highest using a poll doesn't always mean it's the best questions overall.

Or, a combination could be done: Those individuals would narrow it down to 25-50 questions and the fan community would vote on those as a nice hybrid method that should, hopefully, satisfy most!

I REALLY like the idea of doing the hybrid. Having this committee whittle it down and then giving us all a voice on the voting on the final ten.

 

04/08/09 8:42 PM

I would just like to make the suggestion that whoever is on this committee take out not only the questions that have been already answered a zillion times, but also those questions that are basically a roundabout way to pitch ideas to Trent. Like the "have you ever considered writing a book about blah blah..." kind of questions. I'd rather see this actually be a Q&A session, not a future project brainstorming session.

 

04/08/09 8:54 PM

Let's say one more day for nominations...? As in suggestions for the committee can be made until 12:00AM Pacific time Friday (or should it be Saturday?), since question gathering stops on Saturday? Unless anyone else thinks otherwise, I'm gonna update the first post soon so that it includes that the exact time period at which the last post can be made.

Spread the news and let people know that the deadline rapidly approaches. We certainly don't want people bitching about not knowing what would entail for the process...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 08:57PM by Shitfuckdamn.

 

04/08/09 9:57 PM

juniperus posted:
Doomguy13 posted:
We should have some mods pick out the decent questions and put them in one list with who submitted the question. Then they should post it somewhere and let the people in the forum vote on the 10 best... the catch... you can't vote for your own. So the actual good ones will be answered.

Just an idea.

If the concern is popularity contests, us v. themism, and other high-school-esque jackassery then perhaps the questions should be collected, the thread closed and hidden, and after the mods have weeded out duplication and nonsense a selection of questions (20? 25?) that are in submission-format (ie, worded appropriately with spelling and grammar rules in effect) can be posted for a community vote without the author/authors identified.

Then we're voting on questions, not people.

Wow... how the fuck did I not think of it in that light?

 

04/08/09 11:25 PM

If you don't want a full board riot on your hands I would set the standards laid out as to why a question was rejected. Keep it simple but also cite your source. It doesn't need to be wiki entry however something like this would be good in the mod-edit's of the questions.

Guide
1. Does it violate any of the Site TOS
-which part, and why
2. Redundancy
-has this question already been asked in this thread, yours isn't as well done as the other question.
3. Prior Interviews
-Which Interview did it come from just link to it or ninwiki

4. Rehashed
-This is just a rehashing of a prior question either found in interview or found redundant in thread.
-This is rehashed but now applicable due to event changes.

EXAMPLE

So what does Trent think of PETA
mod edit by superjarrettman
Answered by Prior Interviews: [www.petatv.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/08/2009 11:27PM by jarrettwold.

 

04/09/09 3:45 AM

ItsJustDave posted:
A few thoughts on analyzing the questions:

First Pass: Merge repeats
Second Pass: Identify questions that we (the fan community) already know the answer to and provide links/sources.
Third Pass: Whittle the remaining questions down to a reasonable set to be voted upon.

I was about to post the same

 

04/09/09 3:40 AM

jarrettwold posted:
If you don't want a full board riot on your hands I would set the standards laid out as to why a question was rejected. Keep it simple but also cite your source. It doesn't need to be wiki entry however something like this would be good in the mod-edit's of the questions.

Guide
1. Does it violate any of the Site TOS
-which part, and why
2. Redundancy
-has this question already been asked in this thread, yours isn't as well done as the other question.
3. Prior Interviews
-Which Interview did it come from just link to it or ninwiki

4. Rehashed
-This is just a rehashing of a prior question either found in interview or found redundant in thread.
-This is rehashed but now applicable due to event changes.

EXAMPLE

So what does Trent think of PETA
mod edit by superjarrettman
Answered by Prior Interviews: [www.petatv.com]


How about: not every question can be asked?

 

04/09/09 8:15 AM

I don't understand the point of a committee. Trent wants the fans to pick the questions. Do we really need a panel of experts, when it could be a group/forum effort? We could all narrow down the questions, and vote on them at the end. Everyone should have a say, not a select few.

 

04/09/09 7:50 AM

I think that a committee is the only thing that will satisfy and pacify the masses; bearing in mind the time limitations we have on this.

 

04/09/09 8:10 AM

m0nster posted:
I don't understand the point of a committee. Trent wants the fans to pick the questions. Do we really need a panel of experts, when it could be a group/forum effort? We could all narrow down the questions, and vote on them at the end. Everyone should have a say, not a select few.

The number of questions will be staggering. The number of repeated questions (because who can be arsed to go back and check to see if it's already been asked?) and utterly inappropriate (if not downright disrespectful) questions will be similarly daunting.

There simply must be some way to make sense of the chaos. And do so inclusively, as a community.

These 'experts' are fans. I don't (and even if I tipped my head and squinted at the screen, can't) see this as a contrived way to get all parochial on the process -- it's a matter of efficiency and responsibility (as a community, for the thoughtfulness and quality of what's presented to Trent).

It's a way to not cock the whole thing up.

 

04/09/09 11:04 AM

[quote marodi][quote jarrettwold]How about: not every question can be asked?[/quote]Well people will always want to know *why* their question won't be in. *not every question can be asked* sounds snarky as hell. Give people a valid reason. If you're really paying attention and know why the question is going to be picked, mod edit the post and give one of those reasons. It show's the people picking the questions aren't just going by memory on the stuff.

 

04/09/09 11:55 AM

jarrettwold posted:
marodi posted:
How about: not every question can be asked?
Well people will always want to know *why* their question won't be in. *not every question can be asked* sounds snarky as hell. Give people a valid reason. If you're really paying attention and know why the question is going to be picked, mod edit the post and give one of those reasons. It show's the people picking the questions aren't just going by memory on the stuff.

 

04/09/09 12:07 PM

Wenn's denn sein muss:

ItsJustDave posted:
A few thoughts on analyzing the questions:

First Pass: Merge repeats
Second Pass: Identify questions that we (the fan community) already know the answer to and provide links/sources.
Third Pass: Whittle the remaining questions down to a reasonable set to be voted upon.

Though the last point is to discuss: As much as possible, I think.

 

04/09/09 12:13 PM

xcore posted:
jarrettwold posted:
marodi posted:
How about: not every question can be asked?
Well people will always want to know *why* their question won't be in. *not every question can be asked* sounds snarky as hell. Give people a valid reason. If you're really paying attention and know why the question is going to be picked, mod edit the post and give one of those reasons. It show's the people picking the questions aren't just going by memory on the stuff.

Top Valid Reasons (IMO):
Can readily be answered anywhere on the internet; probably on NINWiki.
Does not have "enough" universal appeal.

 

04/09/09 12:19 PM

posted:
Does not have "enough" universal appeal.

I have no idea what that means?

 

04/09/09 12:29 PM

jarrettwold posted:
posted:
Does not have "enough" universal appeal.

I have no idea what that means?

I thought, right that wanted TR to avoid...?!

 

04/09/09 12:33 PM

Good god what have I missed?

 

04/09/09 12:35 PM

jarrettwold posted:
posted:
Does not have "enough" universal appeal.

I have no idea what that means?

That means that just because one person may want to know the length of his shoelaces the vast majority probably doesn't.

 

04/09/09 12:39 PM

forkintheeye posted:
jarrettwold posted:
posted:
Does not have "enough" universal appeal.

I have no idea what that means?

That means that just because one person may want to know the length of his shoelaces the vast majority probably doesn't.

Ah, and a comittee of 10 "best true fans" knows what the "majority" wants? Plus: that point you speak on is fill by the merged repeated questions.

 

04/09/09 12:43 PM

I don't even know what a "best true fan" is. I'm just saying that some questions are quite obscure. There are plenty of people coming up with some great, thoughtful questions that pertain not only to the music, but to Trent the person as well - but some also seem best suited for a one-on-one.

 

04/09/09 1:11 PM

At the end of the day a process had to be implemented to get these 10 questions.
As far as I've seen the idea of a committee of 10 (which allows everyone to nominate their choice of candidates) was the general consensus as the way forward - especially given the time limitations. But at the end of the day, the final 10 questions will be voted on by everyone.

jarrettworld Whilst I understand the reasoning behind giving the rationale as to why certain questions weren't asked, I don't think it's practical given that there are over 450 questions already...but maybe the people who are doing the sifting will agree with you, not me.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/09/2009 01:21PM by Ruth.

 
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