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09/11/08 3:08 PM

*zooms in on her shiny red ufo*

HOLY SHIT IT'S DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

 

09/11/08 5:41 PM

V-Ness posted:
hybrid756 posted:
My opinions align with both of yours...

Today I thought of something that would work as a compromise, but it's hard to believe anyone gives a shit, so I won't bother saying anything.

Today, I wallow.

I'd like to hear it

Copypasted essay from blog...
Please bear with me, I've given this a lot of thought.

I will take that assignment. (Although I am boycotting NIN until conditions improve, please treat this as an answer coming from a fan. Hopefully I will be again.)

Chatrooms:
+ They look pretty. Like the pm chats, but it would be better if you could invite more than one person into a separate bit so you don't have to watch gorping comments filling up your whole screen).

- Too fast, though. You end up missing a lot of stuff. The " and @ buttons are switched round (yes, I know...) Like people here have said, conversation's usually pretty shallow. That fast scrolling screen's not condusive to a conversation. It fucks with Nelly's epilepsy, therefore other peoples' as well. You always feel like you're being watched (because you are).

Forums:
+ Great for finding everything NIN related without having to wade through the internet. Forum organisation good in that way. Lots of knowledgable ETS geeks with info are posting. Looks pretty. Kind of.

- Some moderators have been too heavy handed. Whole place has a bit of a stuck up, unwelcoming attitude. Locking of threads without original posters' consents: either let it go, or move it if the place is getting disorganised. The photoblog turns into an ass kissing convention and is therefore, pretty uninteresting. No "ultimate community" seen from where I'm standing (although I am standing pretty far away.) If you have that excellent firefox add-on that puts your tabs in a tree at the side of your window, you need to expand the page to full screen as the page doesn't shrink to fit the window.

Blog:
+ Obviously... perfect free speech here. No babysitting by moderators. The community develops and gets stronger because we deal with racists/sexists/fucktards/etc ourselves rather than brushing those problems under the rug. A significant amount of healthy and heated debate on pretty much everything. Gig nights were great, you could sort of watch the gig online but have other conversations at the same time. All tangents in conversation were permissible, and encouraged. People talked about anything and everything here. No need to go wading through the forums. People have formed genuine bonds in this place.

- We had plenty trolls which could be offputting for newbies. If you want NIN info, you either need to wade through comments, or ask someone. Not so good if you don't know the place (see previous comment...). The bi-racial baby anon. Profile impersonator/s (regulars can tell the difference, but not everyone can.)

Suggestion... if there were a completely unmoderated forum ie this or something like it (although I personally think this comment page is better than the forum, as it holds more comments per page) where no rules apply and the community can deal with itself would give people a choice of whether they want the tangential conversation, free speech, and right to fight and fend for themselves; or the structure, safety and organisation of the forum. Or both.
And: mods should have some responsibilities with their rights i.e. if they pm someone, that info should be allowed to be made public by the person receiving it. People shouldn't be insulted by being told they can't decide what's fair and goes against the forum rules, and what doesn't. The whole thing should be more open and transparent. I'm not going after all mods per se, I've only had run-ins with a few of them, but they should be held as accountable for their actions as everyone else is.

Done. *goes to lie down again*

 

09/11/08 9:08 PM

(w/o quoting hybrid's entire post above)

Word.

the forums are good for categorically finding and posting stuff for your own ends or for others benefits.

The chats are pointless.

The blog was crazy, but you could always jump in the deep end w/o orientation.

just say'n

 

09/11/08 9:09 PM

Dee?

 

09/11/08 9:09 PM

DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

 

09/11/08 10:45 PM

trishalove posted:
peggysuicide posted:
to trish- the moderators do a wonderful job in chat. it's great and all that you were a chat moderator for four years, but you aren't one here. if what enoch said offended you, you obviously don't go into chat much. i personally just think you're being nitpicky because you have a grudge against the mods. i mean hell, you always write about how much you hate this place, your bitterness about the blog closing is very evident. forgive me if i'm wrong, but the mods here we're nominated in a way by people in ETS and TS, as we were the ones here duing beta testing, before it was made live. most of us know these mods from our forums, so we're used to their demeanors. you guys from blogger didn't have moderation, so i'm sure it's a different setup for you to grasp ad embrace. people are people, they have different personalities just like anyone else. some of the "blogger refugees" seem to be the ones having the most problems with the mods. it's not bullying just because you personally don't like what they do or how they handle certain things, it's called moderation. this is a big site with a lot of users. mods are probably not going to change how things are, especially when things are running more smoothly, due to a few disgruntled people. if i remember correctly, someone posted a link to a new blog, totally unmoderated. smiling smiley

sorry...i had to comment, mods. i'm just sick of all the whining. feel free to delete my post. i'll understand winking smiley

I guess we're not important enough to have a say...
Being blog refugees and all...

Very sad...

give it a rest already. really. let it go. i heard the term from a blogger, hence the quotation marks,so attack away.



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09/11/08 9:59 PM

peggysuicide posted:
trishalove posted:
peggysuicide posted:
to trish- the moderators do a wonderful job in chat. it's great and all that you were a chat moderator for four years, but you aren't one here. if what enoch said offended you, you obviously don't go into chat much. i personally just think you're being nitpicky because you have a grudge against the mods. i mean hell, you always write about how much you hate this place, your bitterness about the blog closing is very evident. forgive me if i'm wrong, but the mods here we're nominated in a way by people in ETS and TS, as we were the ones here duing beta testing, before it was made live. most of us know these mods from our forums, so we're used to their demeanors. you guys from blogger didn't have moderation, so i'm sure it's a different setup for you to grasp ad embrace. people are people, they have different personalities just like anyone else. some of the "blogger refugees" seem to be the ones having the most problems with the mods. it's not bullying just because you personally don't like what they do or how they handle certain things, it's called moderation. this is a big site with a lot of users. mods are probably not going to change how things are, especially when things are running more smoothly, due to a few disgruntled people. if i remember correctly, someone posted a link to a new blog, totally unmoderated. smiling smiley

sorry...i had to comment, mods. i'm just sick of all the whining. feel free to delete my post. i'll understand winking smiley

I guess we're not important enough to have a say...
Being blog refugees and all...

Very sad...

give it a rest already. really. let it go. i heard the term from a blogger,so attack away.

though you may think the world revolves around you... it really doesn't.
I have nothing to say to you.

My reply to this comment was to the general blogger community...
We all have a firm grasp on just what peggysuicide thinks of us all...

 

09/11/08 11:05 PM

oh trish...that's a silly, gross generalization, but i'm not surprised. you know nothing of what i think, other than what i said directly to you. i happen to adore many of the bloggers,actually. smiling smiley it doesn't matter where you came from or how you got here, i just go on what i observe here.

 

09/11/08 10:10 PM

peggysuicide posted:
oh trish...that's a silly, gross generalization, but i'm not surprised. you know nothing of what i think, other than what i said directly to you. i happen to adore many of the bloggers,actually. smiling smiley it doesn't matter where you came from or how you got here, i just go on what i observe here.


"you guys from blogger didn't have moderation, so i'm sure it's a different setup for you to grasp ad embrace. people are people, they have different personalities just like anyone else. some of the "blogger refugees" seem to be the ones having the most problems with the mods."


"it's called moderation. this is a big site with a lot of users. mods are probably not going to change how things are, especially when things are running more smoothly, due to a few disgruntled people."


Feel free to back peddle some more...
Those are your words...
BTW... Surely you have something better to do than hang about "Us Guys from Blogger"s thread...
But, if talking down to others who are hurt, upset and confused are what gets you through the day...

 

09/11/08 11:19 PM

see...this is why i suggested pm so as not to clutter up your thread, but eh. again, i heard the term from a blogger, so kill whoever you have to kill for inventing the term "blog refugee". sorry doll, but you are one of few disgruntled people that have taken it to this extent, to the point of quoting me and trying to portray me as some @#$%& that hates blog people. it's becoming tedious and quite sad. note...i did say "some" not "all", correct? i don't see how i'm back peddling...i was talking directly to you, not the community as a whole, that's why the post you quoted said Trish at the beginning. i'm just responding back to you, which is weird since you say you have nothing to say to me. i'm not trying to fight with ya here, i just responded to something you said in the Moderation thread, bashing the mods that i know and love, just like you love your fellow bloggers and you took it very personally. that's how forums work, people do sometimes respond back and will disagree with you. remember...we have pm's here.winking smiley



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09/11/08 10:22 PM

hi trishalove, i have to go back and read...i'm adjusting, glad to see you representin' the hoodsmiling smiley

 

09/11/08 10:30 PM

peggysuicide posted:
see...this is why i suggested pm so as not to clutter up your thread, but eh. again, i heard the term from a blogger, so kill whoever you have to kill for inventing the term "blog refugee". sorry doll, but you are one of few disgruntled people that have taken it to this extent, to the point of quoting me and trying to portray me as some @#$%& that hates blog people. note...i did say "some" not "all", correct? i don't see how i'm back peddling...i was talking directly to you, not the community as a whole, that's why the post you quoted said Trish at the beginning. i'm just responding back to you, which is weird since you say you have nothing to say to me. remember...we have pm's here.winking smiley

PM me and I'll report you for harrassment as I've already told you not to.
I prefer a public conversation... It shows your true "I'm feeling so superior to you" attitude... Here's an example:

"but the mods here we're nominated in a way by people in ETS and TS, as we were the ones here duing beta testing, before it was made live. most of us know these mods from our forums, so we're used to their demeanors."


No, i'm sure the other bloggers don't mind the clutter on this thread...
Being ex blogger's we believe in Freedom Of Speech!

LOL
Yes, there is my name and some you's in there...

But I'm not 'guys' and I'm not 'a few' either...
Sorry sweetums you weren't just talking about me, no matter how you wish to portray it now...

 

09/11/08 10:33 PM

roxee posted:
hi trishalove, i have to go back and read...i'm adjusting, glad to see you representin' the hoodsmiling smiley

Hello Roxy!
It's good to see you! smiling smiley

 

09/11/08 11:37 PM

you're right...it's all a conspiracy!!!!eye popping smiley sorry if you're upset that we were chosen to test beta, i had nothing to do with that, also i didn't bold the "we"...you did. i was simply telling you a fact as to why most of us don't mind the mods and are used to them. where's the beating a dead horse icon when you need it? and yes...i WAS just talking to you, sweetums winking smiley



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09/11/08 10:43 PM

to be truthful trisha, and anyone else out there, i put out a lot of money buying premium spiral memberships for myself and my kids, have attended many concerts and listened to nin for longer than the average age of my sons freshman college class, but i never connected with other nin fans the way i did on the blogger site, though sometimes i had a hard time sleeping after some nasty episodes and still shudder at seeing someone take over my profile and use it to make false postings, but all in all, i found real comradery and understanding that i came to very much appreciate...

maybe i can carve something better here, i'm going to try though i have felt a little like the walking dead...bela lugosi style...

 

09/11/08 10:51 PM

peggysuicide posted:
you're right...it's all a conspiracy!!!!eye popping smiley sorry if you're upset that we were chosen to test beta, i had nothing to do with that, also i didn't bold the "we"...you did. i was simply telling you a fact as to why most of us don't mind the mods and are used to them. where's the beating a dead horse icon when you need it? and yes...i WAS just talking to you, sweetums winking smiley

It's not a conspiracy peggy...
You're just a busybody, who thinks entirely to high of herself...
Yes, we've complained...
You will see it here in the thread designated for us...
You will see it on occassion in the free flowing non topic chat...
I went to the mod thread today with questions on a mod's behavior and suggestions on better behavior...
And here you come...
All over it...
Wasn't even directed to you...
You say I said I hate this place all over the forum...
Really?
Find one post of it besides the one in here.
You also failed to mention I apologized for saying it, several posts later.
You've had to seek out the so called whining of any of us...
Just because you have Forum sunshine and flowers coming out of your ass, doesn't mean everybody else has to.
See people are people... You said that, I believe...
And we all have a right to share our feelings and concerns with others...
You don't like it peggy...
Don't read it!

 

09/11/08 11:56 PM

same to you, doll!smiling smiley

i hope the rest of you guys give it a try an enjoy it. i know it's daunting at first, but once you get the hang of it, it's quite fun, flaming aside. feel free to pm me if you have questions. i won't report you winking smiley

 

09/11/08 11:02 PM

roxee posted:
to be truthful trisha, and anyone else out there, i put out a lot of money buying premium spiral memberships for myself and my kids, have attended many concerts and listened to nin for longer than the average age of my sons freshman college class, but i never connected with other nin fans the way i did on the blogger site, though sometimes i had a hard time sleeping after some nasty episodes and still shudder at seeing someone take over my profile and use it to make false postings, but all in all, i found real comradery and understanding that i came to very much appreciate...

maybe i can carve something better here, i'm going to try though i have felt a little like the walking dead...bela lugosi style...
roxy my love...*hugz*..bela lugosi style...nice smiling smiley..pleaze try...but the blog waz the ideal freedom of speech..why delete poztz az trizha said that are not harmful or threating..that iz a form of sensorship dontcha now winking smiley..inzert edie mcclurg voice here..lol..find me in the place where the blog livez on..where you can speak your mind freely ...and feed the trollz if you feel the need...love ya hun smiling smiley

 

09/11/08 11:22 PM

have my 500 hundred whet kisses reached you yet dee? i am having a harder time with the built in structure of the "thread," which keeps out and draws in a narrow set of people and ideas when the blog was so crazy and open-ended...i get one part of my personality out in one thread, say the what's your favorite obscenity these days (fuckstick is mine) or checking out the strangely hilarious but clearly perverse pictures posted in the not for work threads...then i can go to the music thread to ask about copywrites but it's so segmented...even the "general forum" is just a series of threads...i thought it was funny that it is okay to post a pic of a woman with 3 dozens crayons stuck in her snatch but or "asian girl porn" but other things get deleted or locked for not being on topic? yes, its a strange new fuckstick world...

 

09/11/08 11:28 PM

has anyone seen wolfy or wolf-bro? they must be going thru serious withdrawl symptoms...do u hear that howling?

 

09/11/08 11:34 PM

roxee posted:
has anyone seen wolfy or wolf-bro? they must be going thru serious withdrawl symptoms...do u hear that howling?

they're at the new blog Roxy.

 

09/11/08 11:42 PM

okay i'll sound stupid, it won't be the first or last time, but what is the new blog?

 

09/11/08 11:43 PM

trishalove posted:
a personal pm sent to Trent Reznor by me. As I give myself permission to copy this (my own personal pm) over, I expect no moderator to remove it!!!!!!


Hello,

I am writing this to you in a last ditch effort at understanding. A reply would be appreciated. Though, I understand I have no right to demand one. If you read and understand, that is enough.

I am a displaced ex blogger. Though I have tried to integrate into your new Forum, I am having a difficult time of this. I enjoyed the old blog, as did many others. I'd like to thank you for giving it to us. A place of refuge for misfits and troubled. A place that contained a community of people that found healing and hope through each other.

I listen to your music. Your recent albums cover the opression we are beginning to suffer under our own governement. I read the current comment from you on nin.com and you speak of freedom. What you sing and say these days seem to be in conflict with what you're doing.

Your Forum. Everything and everyone in their place. A police state. If a moderator does not think your comments are on topic enough in a thread, they delete your voice. If a moderator does not think, or approve of a thread you create, they lock it. If you say something they don't approve of, or misunderstand in the chats, they censure you. If you question their actions, they bannish you from Forum life. If you try to raise awareness on various threads of their heavy handedness, they systematically remove them. Chats filled with praises to you and the band, along with continuous meaningless quick typed words.

How can this be? Where is our freedom of speech and expression? Where is our Voice? These things, the very things you say you oppose, you've created. You've invited your fans to join in this? You wish us to become sheep 'baaing' to a steady beat?

This is not hate mail. It's not even dislike mail. It's confused and concerned mail. If it manages to spark even the tiniest bit of awareness in you, then it's done its job.

Thank You,
Patricia Foster

*standz and applaudz trizha for exprezzing her freedom of speech...and agreez with every word...guezz ill be banned next...but when you whole heartedly believe in something...something that haz changed piecez of your life..made you stronger..helped you when you had fallen for no other reazon but to be a better perzon..when you find a place where you feel like you belong...a community filled with otherz like you who make a choice to be better humanz... because you want to be and not because you have to be and itz taken away from you...you can not be silenced...well, i guezz you can*

 

09/11/08 11:45 PM

roxee posted:
okay i'll sound stupid, it won't be the first or last time, but what is the new blog?


[darebyme.blogspot.com]

 

09/11/08 11:49 PM

roxee posted:
have my 500 hundred whet kisses reached you yet dee? i am having a harder time with the built in structure of the "thread," which keeps out and draws in a narrow set of people and ideas when the blog was so crazy and open-ended...i get one part of my personality out in one thread, say the what's your favorite obscenity these days (fuckstick is mine) or checking out the strangely hilarious but clearly perverse pictures posted in the not for work threads...then i can go to the music thread to ask about copywrites but it's so segmented...even the "general forum" is just a series of threads...i thought it was funny that it is okay to post a pic of a woman with 3 dozens crayons stuck in her snatch but or "asian girl porn" but other things get deleted or locked for not being on topic? yes, its a strange new fuckstick world...

makez me think of the mad world song sad smiley..guezz i muzt conform or leave...*raizez left paw*clearz throat for e-mionor..i got a list..but i guezz ill keep it to myself..or elze ..inzert fake grin here smiling smiley



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09/11/08 11:53 PM

trishalove posted:
roxee posted:
okay i'll sound stupid, it won't be the first or last time, but what is the new blog?


[darebyme.blogspot.com]

itz beautiful roxy...you can even feed the trollz if you feel the need...lol :p

 

09/11/08 11:54 PM

dee...ditto...trisha well-said...

gregory hines, i think it was, said pornography is a sign of democracy...certainly, we need more places to speak freely, not less, to express ourselves the way nin always has, even if it gets an 'explicit content' label...

 

09/12/08 3:06 AM

aliveshecried posted:
Well, I can say that I am just a lowly a member - and fairly new. I wasn't in on beta, and I certainly don't know anyone with any type of power that can keep the hammer from dropping on me.

I can also say that in the chat I've said a lot worse - all in good fun, to people that I am friendly enough with. I don't understand while someone else's sense of humor should require all this debate. You don't think it's funny? You don't like the way something is run? Then don't hang around - it's not obligatory to your survival, though some of us seem to think it is important to ours. xD

I don't know.. this whole making-a-change wrap you're on, I find it kind of funny. Oh you, the self-riotous one, are standing up for what you believe in.. on nin.com. Which, sure, I'm a big fan of - but it isn't exactly the beginning of a revolution. No matter how much of your time you spend trying to prove how much better and different you are than everyone here, you're not going to be anyone's Abbie Hoffman. This is more annoyance than it is inspiration.

You think it's just me?
I've just been more vocal.
Even then, you would have had to be on the blogger thread, on chat the night I voiced my opinion, or hanging around the moderator thread.
On the blogger thread there are many voices of dissention.

I'm not about a riot.
I'm not even about hurting people.

You have a whole group of names on a thread. and not a moderator or a poster outside of our group ever said:
"Why exactly are you upset and can we offer these solutions, or other altenatives."

No you and other posters and moderators would and do simply say "You don't like it leave."

You would send away a whole community of displaced people who are unused to these formats and struggling to adapt. Because as each one encounters a problem or voices a negetive opinion, they will be told "You don't like it leave."

How many posts has it been offered as the only solution for anything in here to me?
Count them.

I am better and different than you.
I have a heart and I help those in need around me.

 

09/12/08 8:22 AM

I don't see the difference between this place and the blog.
I've had people attack me while I'm trying to post about
something. I've been shunned and ignored. I have tried
to help and I get nothing in return.


I feel at home...

 

09/12/08 11:40 AM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/2008 01:50PM by Birdchit96.

 
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