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04/02/11 7:43 AM

Hey avidwave ! i really like your videos !
Do not left this project !

I have a question ; i'm looking forward to be able to get the kind of guitars sounds there is in year zero. I really don't know where to start. Anyone?

 

04/04/11 1:44 AM

Love_Revenge posted:
Hey avidwave ! i really like your videos !
Do not left this project !

I have a question ; i'm looking forward to be able to get the kind of guitars sounds there is in year zero. I really don't know where to start. Anyone?

are you referring to the guitars in general? i read somewhere he used some weird tuning, more than one track, and a lot of distortion/fuzz. just from listening to Survivalism, the guitar outro riff is merely two guitars but one is brighter than the other. i would like to know however the "ableton" effect or plug in that is used in God Given and other songs.

also, to look back on Happiness In Slavery... anyone know how trent achieves that feedback-y, drone like guitar "solo" after the breakdown? maybe an e-bow?

 

04/04/11 1:21 PM

michael833 posted:
Love_Revenge posted:
Hey avidwave ! i really like your videos !
Do not left this project !

I have a question ; i'm looking forward to be able to get the kind of guitars sounds there is in year zero. I really don't know where to start. Anyone?

are you referring to the guitars in general? i read somewhere he used some weird tuning, more than one track, and a lot of distortion/fuzz. just from listening to Survivalism, the guitar outro riff is merely two guitars but one is brighter than the other. i would like to know however the "ableton" effect or plug in that is used in God Given and other songs.

also, to look back on Happiness In Slavery... anyone know how trent achieves that feedback-y, drone like guitar "solo" after the breakdown? maybe an e-bow?

I'll try to tackle both of those sounds for you guys. I think i'll just condense it all into one long video JUST on guitar tones. stay tuned guys.

 

05/09/11 1:12 PM

Awesome work AcidWave!

I was wondering if you (or anyone here) would have an idea of what synth was used to create the metallic plucky synth part in SIN? (The one that plays in the second half of the verses, and the break.)

 

05/12/11 11:33 PM

I was wondering if anyone know how to make the guitar sound used near the end of HTDA 'Spaces in Between'? Theres a video on you tube of that particular track being recorded. I believe they even use a guitar slide. I have Logic Express 9, and I would like to know how this sound is made, or if it's even possible to remake it the software.

 

05/15/11 3:15 AM

IAmErik posted:
I was wondering if anyone know how to make the guitar sound used near the end of HTDA 'Spaces in Between'? Theres a video on you tube of that particular track being recorded. I believe they even use a guitar slide. I have Logic Express 9, and I would like to know how this sound is made, or if it's even possible to remake it the software.

I actually have a few guitar rig presets that sound similar to it. If i have time i'll make a video showing the sound, how to make it, and a link to the file. To be honest, i'm losing interest in making videos due to a lack of activity in this thread and only a handful of views on my videos.

 

05/16/11 11:06 AM

AvidWave posted:
IAmErik posted:
...

I actually have a few guitar rig presets that sound similar to it. If i have time i'll make a video showing the sound, how to make it, and a link to the file. To be honest, i'm losing interest in making videos due to a lack of activity in this thread and only a handful of views on my videos.

If you could at least share the GuitarRig preset, that'd be awesome. winking smiley

 

05/21/11 2:47 AM

I haven't seen this link mentioned anywhere in this thread, so here goes.
Alan Moulder talks about how they made tons of things on The Fragile, Ghosts etc. Iirc, he doesn't talk that much about synths, but rather about tuning drums, using mics and so on. Correct me, if I'm blind and it's already posted really obviously in here somewhere smiling smiley

 

05/21/11 11:05 AM

Check out my video guys. [www.youtube.com]

Some sounds from The Great Destroyer / Year Zero in general, made on my Waldorf Blofeld

 

05/22/11 4:24 AM

Sooo,

I'm curious about the main guitar riff in Somewhat Damaged and "bass" sounds in Wish and Last. While they are all created by different instruments (I guess), they all share a certian "brutality" and "heaviness" and they sound really super angry, not just pissed off.

My question is, how to achieve that? Is it some eq tweaking? Or a specificity of a waveform? I'm a total noob in these things, so please be nice to me smiling smiley
In the case of the SD guitar, I'd expect a certain pedal to be able to do that, but the Wish bass is just ... it sounds like a detuned angry hornet or something and it really baffles me.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/22/2011 04:25AM by TheKiw.

 

07/25/11 8:07 PM

wonder how they do the guitar sound in the downward spiral ( the bottom) remix in ferther down the spiral...?

 

08/25/11 10:30 AM

[quote MusiCismyDruG7011]wonder how they do the guitar sound in the downward spiral ( the bottom) remix in ferther down the spiral...?

Sounds like they add a delay on it ... but im not quit sure how they got that sound.. ive tried ta get it to somewhat mimic the sound like the one on the song.. but im still very curious on how they did it... can anyone give any pointers on what ta do here??...

 

10/20/11 4:44 PM

Here is my version of Reptile using, reason and amplitube only. It was never finished so please excuse the mistakes and unfinished pieces.

[soundcloud.com]

 

10/23/11 8:39 PM

DamianSicks posted:
Here is my version of Reptile using, reason and amplitube only. It was never finished so please excuse the mistakes and unfinished pieces.

[soundcloud.com]

That's not bad at all even if it is missing pieces. How did you get the "machine hissing" sounds in reason? I'd love to find out the anatomy of this track.

 

11/05/11 1:55 AM

Thanks. Believe it or not its all stuff I found in reason and various refills, only outside source was the guitars which I recorded in protools. I dont remember the exact refills I used but all of them I found online. All the sounds are slightly tweaked presets or loops within reason, I was suprised how close I got the sounds to the original. I hate to do covers because I have a bad habit of making them sound too close to the original material lol. But thanks for taking a listen and i hope you had time to check out some my original stuff and hopefully enjoy.

 

11/08/11 11:08 PM

I apologize if any of my questions have been answered already. Forgive me for not searching all thirteen pages of this thread.

My first question is about the guitar solo in Ruiner. It sounds like the beginnings of a lot of notes are cut out somehow, with kind of a quick fade-in feeling. How is this done?

 

11/16/11 7:29 AM

zoostation posted:
My first question is about the guitar solo in Ruiner. It sounds like the beginnings of a lot of notes are cut out somehow, with kind of a quick fade-in feeling. How is this done?

From NinWiki:
posted:
The bridge of this song features a rare guitar solo by Reznor. In the April 1994 issue of Guitar World, he was asked about it in the following section of the interview:

GW: I wanted to ask you about the solo in "Ruiner." How did you get that really nasty, ultra-quantized sound?

REZNOR: Ah yes, the great, Pink Floyd-esque, Seventies- sounding section of the song. That's just a preset on the Zoom. I think I accidentally called up the wrong patch. I'm not a soloist. I was just laughing when I was playing with this ridiculous sound, recording into the computer saying like, "This is so cheesy," you know? I later realized that I basically tried to play a "Comfortably Numb"-type solo with this sound. I played the song for Chris, our drummer, and I was thinking, "He's going to start laughing. It's silly." But he goes, "Man, that guitar section was fucking great."

 

11/17/11 11:37 AM

Thanks! I forgot that article talked about the Zoom preset, I'll have to look into that.

Also in Ruiner, what's playing the highish-pitched melody during the chorus?

 

01/12/12 2:09 PM

[www.youtube.com]

This is a quick tutorial that I filmed that shows how to get a basic Fragile distortion tone. I winged it, so it's a little scatter brained. Enjoy. These are the settings and order of the effects chain.

Dunlop Crybaby [depressed down] | EHX Metal Muff [ vol 30% - top boost 0% - treble 45% - mid 55% - bass 55% - dist 35%] | Line 6 M13(fuzz pi [mid 50% - drive 50% - treble 50% - bass 35% - output 100%] | blue comp [sustain 50% - output 95%] | graphic eq [80 +4.0 -220 +1.5 - 440 + 3.3 - 1k1 + 4.1 - 2k2 + 3.9]) | behringer time machine delay [nothing special] | line 6 spider IV 30 tweed setting.

The octave fuzz [mid 30% - drive 5% - treble 55% - bass 55% - output 100%] replaces the fuzz pi near the end of the video for the higher pass sound.

 

01/15/12 9:39 AM

Of the several threads here on NIN gear (live gear thread, studio gear thread, and this one) it seems this thread is the most active, so I'll post the incomplete list I have so far of kit used by Trent and Co. over the years. This is all off the top of my head, so expect many things to not be listed. Any questions about when they used what piece let me know, and I might have an answer.
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4MS Pedals - used to be 3MS. Noise stuff
Access Virus - Several models
Akai S1100 samplers - 2 of these, fully expanded, were used to record TDS
Akai MPD32 controller - used on NINJA and WG tours
Alesis Andromeda A6 - popped up in studio pics during WT recordings
Analogue Solutions Vostok - WT recording onward
Analogue Solutions Concussor Modules - possible, not sure
Analogue Systems - modules and French Connection controller, used from WT onwards
Buchla 200e series modular - owned by A.Cortini, used on Ghosts I-IV
Casio SK-1, circuitbent - WT recording onwards
Chppman ebbe und flut - recently. Don't remember when I first saw in instudio shot of this.
Clavia Nord Lead family and Nord Modular - TF recordings onwards
Clavia Nord Micro Modular - used for vocoder effects live during Fragility Tour
Cycling 74 - MAX software - since its inception I believe
Devi ever pedals - Trent has a bunch of the dual effect joystick fuzz/osc pedals she used to make.
DSI Evolver Keyboard - used on NINJA and WG tours
Doepfer ribbon controller - vocal effects on WT tour
Doepfer MAQ 16/3 sequencer - WT recordings onward
Doepfer Shaltwerk sequencer - WT recordings onward
Elektron Machinedrum - WT recording onward
E-mu Emax samplers - used during TDS tours
E-mu Emulator Sampler - PHM
E-mu E4 Samplers - 2 of these used on Fragility tour
Empress effects Tremolo and Super Delay - used by A.Cortini on LITS Ghosts sections
Empirical Labs Distressor - used during Fragile recording and tour
EMS VCS3 - WT recording onwards
Eventide - various pieces of Rack gear over the years
FutureRetro 777 - this may have been Charlie Clouser's
JoMox XBase 09 - TF recordings
Korg KAOSS Pad - KP2 used by Peter Murphy during radioshow performance
Korg MS-20 - mentioned by Mariqueen in a fairly recent tweet
Kurzweil keyboard - used for pianos during TDS recording
early Linn Electronics drum machine - not sure which one, purchased from Chris Vrenna. This is how they met.
Livewire AFG, Dalek, Bissel, Cyclotron, Frequensteiner, and Vulcan - all used in A.Cortini's Performance 2007/LITS modular rig
Midiman 25key controller - used on Fragility Tour
M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 key controller, custom black - used by A.Cortini during WT/Performance/LITS tours
Metasonix - everything this company makes. WT recordings onward
Moog Minimoog Model D - PHM onward, retired upon purchase of Moog Odyssey
Moog Odyssey w/maple sides - WT recordings onward
Moog Etherwave Theremin - used live during Fragility tour
Moog Litty Phatty - used on NINJA and WG tours
Native Instruments Reaktor - WT onwards
Native Instruments Battery - YZ onwards
Native Instruments Rig Kontrol - used by A.Cortini on LITS tour
Novation SuperNova - TF recordings? Probably WT
Novation Bass Station Rack - TF recordings
Novation 25sl mkII - used on LITS, NINJA, and WG tours
Oberheim OB-Mx - sampled and featured on The Becoming
Oberheim Xpander - TDS? TF onwards for sure
Pigtronix Echolution - Recent. Present during Ghosts recordings
Propellerhead Reason
Propellerhead ReBirth - the bassline and drum loop in The Wretched
Some piece of Quasimidi kit, I forget which. Owned by C.Clouser during TF recordings.
Roland JP-8080 - filter used by K.Hildebrandt on those big bass hits during The Great Below
Roland SU10 pocket sampler
Sequential Circuits Prophet VS - PHM onward
Sherman Filterbank - used live during WT tour, possibly before in studio
Studio Logic 49 key controller - used by C.Clouser on Fragility tours
Vermona DRM-1 drum synth
Waldorf Microwave family of synths - TDS? TF for sure
Yamaha DX7 - many of these used as controllers for the TDS era touring
Roland RD-700GX - LITS touring onward
Yamaha Baby Grand - Not sure which model, TF recordings
Yamaha stand up - Ghosts onwards
several treated cheap standup pianos - GWTDT OST
Fender Strats - several of these w/different pickup configs, TF onwards
Gibson Les Pauls - several of these w/different pickup configs, TDS onwards
Gibson ES-335 gothic - TF
Gibson hollowbodies - TF onwards, several models
Parker Fly - several models, TF onwards
Godin Multiac acoustics - TF live onwards
Martin traveller acoustic - used during Fragility tour
Fender Jazzmasters - several of these w/different pickup configs, WT onwards
Fender Telecasters - used by J.White & A.North on WT and Performance tours
Fender Jaguars - several, different pickup configs, WT onwards
Dean Evos - several of these on WT tour after several Les Pauls were destroyed during a german festival
Line 6 PODs - many models, starting during TF recordings. Trent live guitar rig for the following tour consisted of two of these.

I'll post more as it comes to me. I know he's got a slew of guitar pedals.

 

07/15/12 4:36 PM

Does anyone know how to create the synth lead in Terrible Lie that begins at 3:27 in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YNEH8csGwk

also,
non-NIN related, the main synth lead in the beginning in We are Rockstars,
[www.youtube.com]

i'm working with Massive, FM8, and Razor, so if anyone has any info as to get similar sounds thru these soft-synths, it'd be much appreciated

 

07/22/12 8:49 AM

hello

does anyone now how to get that guitar sound at 4:00 whether with a guitar or a synth?
[www.youtube.com]

ii use guitar rig for guitar if that helps winking smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/22/2012 01:51PM by X_JJ_X1993.

 

07/28/12 1:47 PM

neofrost posted:
Does anyone know how to create the synth lead in Terrible Lie that begins at 3:27 in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YNEH8csGwk

also,
non-NIN related, the main synth lead in the beginning in We are Rockstars,
[www.youtube.com]

i'm working with Massive, FM8, and Razor, so if anyone has any info as to get similar sounds thru these soft-synths, it'd be much appreciated

On "Terrible Lie" the lead at the end is a woodblock sample, run through a fuzz pedal, sampled into the Emax (original) and transposed down two octaves to give it a dirty bitcrushed sound.

 

07/29/12 3:09 AM

ShockValue posted:
neofrost posted:
Does anyone know how to create the synth lead in Terrible Lie that begins at 3:27 in this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YNEH8csGwk

also,
non-NIN related, the main synth lead in the beginning in We are Rockstars,
[www.youtube.com]

i'm working with Massive, FM8, and Razor, so if anyone has any info as to get similar sounds thru these soft-synths, it'd be much appreciated

On "Terrible Lie" the lead at the end is a woodblock sample, run through a fuzz pedal, sampled into the Emax (original) and transposed down two octaves to give it a dirty bitcrushed sound.

i read that article where Trent supposedly said that, but i tried taking a woodblock sample, adding distortion on it in Adobe Audition and then transposing it down 2 (or 3 octaves) and it didn't sound like it at all

at this point, i'd have to see someone make that sound that way in order to believe that, that's how it was made...
because if it is made that way, then why does the sound have such a clear tonal quality and not sound distorted at all?

anyway, i switched gears, and am working on film noir music now instead of what i was going to be working on,
still think that sounds like that lead, along with detuned synths, and trilled/vibrato synths would sound nice for dance music though...
(which is why i want that sound from Terrible Lie, which is actually very similar to the sound on The Only Time too)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/29/2012 03:15AM by neofrost.

 

07/29/12 2:17 PM

Dustin Pastorius posted:
Hey, does anyone know what the vocal effect used by Charles Clouser (is that who it was?) in Heresy (Version) off of Further Down the Spiral. Near the beginning, it sounds almost reversed, but not. It sort of sounds like each word is reversed while a quieter track of the forward vocals is put right on top of it. But I don't know. Does anyone know?

I asked Charlie:

posted:
Heresy remix = Studiovision triggering 2x NuBus Samplecell-1 8mb cards and 4 audio tracks of Protools-16.

1 track lead vox, 2 tracks gtr fx, 1 track for preachers and misc. Yes, 4 tracks of audio. First SampleCell loaded with drums and stuff, second one loaded with chopped gtr riffs. 8 megs each.

No Xpander. Bit-crushed "pox" arpeggios and distant descending melody from Emax SEHD rack with modwheel filter control. All guitars chopped into riffs and put in samplecells then retriggered from keyboard. Wild pitch fx on guitars by HyperPrism standalone (no plugins in those days). Backwards vocal fx by... it's a secret. Outboard filtering on guitars by Arp Solus via MPU-101 and maybe Peavey Spectrum Filter. Lead vox flattened with L1 offline in SD2 (again, no plugins in DAWs back then).

Mixed on Mackie 32x8 with no compressors or outboard eq. Send fx (incl. vox verb and delay) from QuadraVerb+ and maybe DP4. The phasey sound on guitars is either DP4 or else it's just an artifact of the HyperPrism pitch fx.

Yes, Alesis Quadraverb and a Mackie 8-buss.

Portamento sound...? Are you sure you're not thinking of "Ruiner" remix? That had a sine-wave portamento sound that was actually "Init Voice" on the original DX-7 put through Arp Solus filter for gating fx.

... I loved that "Init Voice" patch. I wonder who programmed it?

Later he revealed the "secret"...

posted:
the cutup vocal effects on the Further Down The Spiral remixes were done with a Boss RPS-10 half-rack pitch-shifter/delay box. I reversed the vocal, ran it through the RPS-10 set to "reverse delay" mode, and recorded the output. This resulted in a chopped-up vocal that was now forwards, since the reversed vocal had been reversed again by the delay. The RPS-10's delay time setting controlled the length of the chopped bits (I think), and also crossfaded all the bits back together without any nasty clicks and stuff. I recorded a few takes of this and edited the result into a final performance. The crazy-pitched guitar solos were done by manipulating live guitar tracks in HyperPrism, which was a standalone audio processor with an early implementation of the now-common X/Y control grid - L>R controlled playback speed and up/down controlled pitch. I think I set it so that there was no variation in playback speed, but mouse up/down would control pitch over a very wide range. Played a click at the right tempo on a drum machine while performing wild pitch sweeps with the mouse and recording the output to DAT, then bounced that back into StudioVision. All of these remixes were done on StudioVision on a Mac Quadra 950 (I think) with 4 tracks of ProTools and a pair of 8meg SampleCell cards. Lead vocal was one audio track, vocal effects were tracks 2+3, and HyperPrism guitars on track 4. An Emax I did the bit-crushed keyboard arpeggio, a Nord Rack on bass, and some SampleCell guitar snips went out to the filter input on an Arp Solus (my first synth ever). Mixed on a Mackie 8-bus with no compressors or external eq, and only a DP4 (though I might not have had that yet) and definitely a QuadraVerb for outboard fx - probably just ping-pong + reverb. No plugins in those days!

 

07/30/12 9:01 AM

Hey, does anybody know how to recreate the vocal effect from the verses of "Gave Up?" You know, the one that makes Trent sound like he's singing into a fan? Thanks!

 

08/01/12 1:53 PM

Hello.

Do anyone have any information what synths or noises are there in the intro of "We're in this together" before the drums entering?

 

08/03/12 5:14 PM

NickL1 posted:
Hello.

Do anyone have any information what synths or noises are there in the intro of "We're in this together" before the drums entering?

Sounds like a synth or sample through a fuzzbox for the main synth. Don't know which one, but he loves these things now days:

Metasonix

Check out the KV-100 demos on the site...



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/03/2012 05:16PM by ShockValue.

 

08/20/12 5:44 PM

Hello

i need help for my cover of hurt

does anyone know how to get that e-bow alike guitar sound in the live version of the reading festival during the second chorus and end?
i`m trying to achieve it with using a minimoog or analog factory, both by arturia

 

09/26/12 3:03 AM

I know this thread is as old as the hills, And this is a pretty basic question, but I'm not gonna start a new thread for one question.

I want to get the guitar distortion from songs like "The Day the World Went Away" and "20 Ghosts III". I know Metasonix gear is pretty key in making the distortion sounds, but they are too out of my price range (The only one I own is the TX-3 I-cunt, I really wanted a KV-100). Are there other effects/devices (or combination of effects) that can reproduce a similar sound. Some kind of High gain gated Fuzz that's got lots of sustain on the low end and can "Squeal" on the High end.

There's a brand called Trogotronic which makes similar High Voltage/gain Tube Synths and effects. They also got some ones with transistors and they are more modestly priced than metasonix. They got a device called the Model 77 which is a High Voltage tube preamp, and from the sound demos on their website, sounds pretty close to what I'm looking for, and its only $180. But I've never heard of anyone using them and can't find a single review on them.

Trogotronic - Model 77

There's also a pedal called the Dr. Freakenstein Fuzz, which is a Supe High Gain Fuzz but with a built in oscilator that can affect the sound of the fuzz, and an Lfo, which can produce oscillating fuzz sounds and can even be used like a tremolo. Its also got a Built in gate that makes it virtually silent in between notes. It comes with a foot switch which can control either the LFO speed, or the Oscillator tuning to produce some crazy sounding effects.

Rainger FX - Dr. Freakenstein

Sorry for the long post, but just looking to see if anyone had any opinions on these devices or any other suggestion as to get the sound I'm looking for.

 
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