NiN Sounds Research (a.k.a. "How do NIN make that sound?" )
 
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10/05/08 8:04 PM

Hi, i think that maybe a large number of people want to get the same sound from NIN songs, Guitar, Bass, Keyboard, Everything. Not trying to copy them, just for fun and practice.

To make this thread more helpful and easy to understand we should have a way to ask and answer.

When you want to ask for a specific sound or effect you must say from what song is about, and obviously what instrument and section of the song if it possible.

Asking:

I'm trying to figure out this sound:

The Hand That Feeds - Keyboard Sound - Arp's Oddysey Setting

Answering:

On The Hand That Feeds - Keyboard Sound - Arp's Oddysey Setting Is:

hot smileywish i know)

You also can play that sound from a VST called Oddity from G-Media or some Reaktor Ensembles.

-Cya



Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 12/25/2008 06:30PM by Arguser.

 

10/06/08 10:40 AM

sound pirates! the finger smiley

 

10/06/08 12:02 PM

Arguser: there's a couple of other threads in here that fall under the "How do NIN make that sound" catagory - any objections if we make this a 'super thread' for those sorts of enquiries?

I can merge them all together under your thread title and PM the author's so they know there their threads have gone.

smiling smiley

 

10/06/08 11:30 AM

Just do it winking smiley

Ok, we know that actually Cortini only use Logic Main Stage with Kontakt, Reaktor and Massive. (i think only those)

So, its possible that for old NIN songs like "down in it" Alessandro or a sound engineers team tongue sticking out smiley record samples from those old vintage synths used for those albums.

 

10/06/08 11:46 AM

Arguser posted:
Just do it winking smiley

Ok, we know that actually Cortini only use Logic Main Stage with Kontakt, Reaktor and Massive. (i think only those)

So, its possible that for old NIN songs like "down in it" Alessandro or a sound engineers team tongue sticking out smiley record samples from those old vintage synths used for those albums.

I'm in your same situation: I've always been courious about it.
Sincerly, my biggest sound-questions are about:
-head like a hole drum intro (that's not a simple midi)
-terrible lie (bass-line on chorus) and that kinda distorted-tremolo flute in the end
-closer (synth pulse outro and EP in the end)
-super-ultra distorted-wah live guitars.

Someone can help me?

 

10/06/08 12:39 PM

B13 posted:
Arguser: there's a couple of other threads in here that fall under the "How do NIN make that sound" catagory - any objections if we make this a 'super thread' for those sorts of enquiries?

I can merge them all together under your thread title and PM the author's so they know there their threads have gone.

smiling smiley
No objections.
But lets keep it "in studio" sounds. If we start making this a "live" sounds thread as well it's gonna get way too deep.



I personally wanna know what vocal distortion TR uses on the Heresy verse.

 

10/06/08 4:00 PM

Arguser posted:
Anyone knows the setup of ARP's Odyssey in The Hand That Feeds, im trying to get the same sound on Oddity VST (Odyssey Emulator)
Keep in mind Trent filters his synths through external effects quite often to expand his sound pallet. Even if you get that ARP patch setup it may not even sound like it without the additional effects.

 

10/06/08 7:49 PM

GoodVillain posted:
Arguser posted:
Anyone knows the setup of ARP's Odyssey in The Hand That Feeds, im trying to get the same sound on Oddity VST (Odyssey Emulator)
Keep in mind Trent filters his synths through external effects quite often to expand his sound pallet. Even if you get that ARP patch setup it may not even sound like it without the additional effects.

i'm afraid of that.


Other thing that would be interesting to know is what kind of vst or whatever is used at the end of head down with the Novation Remote SL 25.

Oh, and i think that for Vocal effects/echo Trent use a Reaktor ensemble on live performance, when he press the trigger on the mic stand the ensemble record the output and make the echo.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/06/2008 08:04PM by Arguser.

 

10/10/08 7:00 AM

B13 posted:
Arguser: there's a couple of other threads in here that fall under the "How do NIN make that sound" catagory - any objections if we make this a 'super thread' for those sorts of enquiries?


Every time I 'book in' a few minutes to do this, someone keeps giving me bloody work to do. I WILL get round to it, I promise!!

grinning smiley

 

10/11/08 7:02 PM

although kinda simple, I'm curious to know what sounds were used for the keyboard solo in the hand that feeds....

 

10/12/08 2:38 AM

I always wanted to know how he did that crazy unorganic sound in Reptile (it sounds like a pipe or something) and how Alessandro plays the March of the Pigs bass intro...

 

10/13/08 12:17 AM

I'd like to know how the "wobbling" sounding effects were achieved on The Big Come Down. The main guitar riff that comes in near the beginning and lays underneath the entire song, chorus and all.

Also, in Somewhat Damaged, there is a break in the song after an intense repetition of the lyrics "Too fucked up to care anymore" that sounds to me like an acoustic guitar is being strummed, with two mics splitting the channels into left and right, with one side placed on the top string, and the other mic placed towards the lower string, because it sounds like the muted guitar strum is moving across the stereo spectrum.

 

10/13/08 5:07 AM

If you want to achieve the sounds that NIN produces on its albums, im sure there will be substitutes but the complexities of the tweaking and the gear that the sounds are run through characterise it in a way that is hard to replicate with a stand alone vst or rtas.

Im pretty sure the unique and harder to reproduce sounds are sampled and repeated live such as the start of with teeth. Other sounds can be fairly easily replicated for live purposes such as the march of the pigs square lead or the soft synth behind something i can never have.

I can say that it is much easier to try creating your own cool sounds instead of copying others, mostly because the sound probably evolved as it was created as a sort of trial and error, not to say that some things arent easily identifiable. You might be surprised the amount of work that goes behind one particular sound whereas something you thought was complex was simple to create.

 

10/15/08 1:30 PM

It's not about copy, its about research and learn in the process.

I would love to know how they reach some sort of sounds and learn about them, then make my own sounds with that knowledge.

 

10/21/08 7:52 PM

What I am wondering about (I don't know much of this stuff... don't laugh)

How they make that weird spiral kind of noise at the beginning of "Pilgrimage" that transfers from the left speaker very quiet and then to the right when it is louder.

How they made that guitar sound in "Beside You In Time". Was it just a simple Ebow effect looped with a tremolo (that is how you spell it, right?) effect on it?

How they did "A Violet Fluid". Simple drum machine?

That really muffled drum noise in "The Mark Has Been Made". Once again, just a simple drum machine or drum session put as a beat with an effect added on?

Sorry if that is asking too much. Just stating mah questions... not really asking them.

 

10/22/08 8:57 PM

Doomguy13 posted:
What I am wondering about (I don't know much of this stuff... don't laugh)

How they make that weird spiral kind of noise at the beginning of "Pilgrimage" that transfers from the left speaker very quiet and then to the right when it is louder.





It´s just panning as the volume goes up.


Doomguy13 posted:
How they made that guitar sound in "Beside You In Time". Was it just a simple Ebow effect looped with a tremolo (that is how you spell it, right?) effect on it?

I´ve wondered that myself and i have the theory: i think that the guitar has a compressor sidechained to a beat.
OR maybe the signal it´s just run through an LFO. i think the second one is most likely to be the right one.
I did it with a bass line once and looped it. It sounds quite the same



it´s just my opinion though

 

10/22/08 8:58 PM

hi Doomguy13, i pilgrimage i don't listen any transfers i guess the sound (from a synth) is not so hard to get, it doesn't seem too complex. I listen that the sound is panned (i don't know how to write that paned panned) to the right but i don't hear transfer at all.

Beside you in time, start with a drone sound then the sound is gated, at 3:40 start guitar with a bit of distortion.

A Violet Fluid, love it grinning smiley Lot's of percussion sounds, some synths too. i don't think that a real percussion is used on this track. Synth sound seems to wah or have some lfo or something like that.

Seems to be real drums trough some filter, kaos pad maybe tongue sticking out smiley

Im totally noob in this kind of things but im kind of curious.

Hope this help.

 

10/25/08 4:06 PM

I've seen in the multitracks of year zero songs, clips with Ableton GTR name on it.

They were using some ableton live vst or effect? wich one is it? i love those sounds.

 

10/25/08 4:36 PM

Could be from the multi-gig instruments collection of ableton live.

 

10/26/08 2:55 PM

thefugitive posted:
Could be from the multi-gig instruments collection of ableton live.

Sure, OPERATOR, TENSION? Which one of the Ableton instruments.

Anyone?

 

10/29/08 8:52 AM

Doomguy13 posted:
How they made that guitar sound in "Beside You In Time". Was it just a simple Ebow effect looped with a tremolo (that is how you spell it, right?) effect on it?

Trent talks about it in here: http://theninhotline.net/archives/articles/manager/display_article.php?id=245

 

10/29/08 7:47 PM

"We triggered a gate with the kick drum to get this effect, but something else ? I still don?t know what ? bled onto the track and also opened the gate a little, giving it that backbeat feel"

I was not that mistaken! Yay! ^^

 

10/30/08 12:29 PM

Arguser posted:
thefugitive posted:
Could be from the multi-gig instruments collection of ableton live.

Sure, OPERATOR, TENSION? Which one of the Ableton instruments.

Anyone?
I'll look on it and let you know.

 

10/31/08 2:29 PM

Hey everyone, this is my first post here and I apologize if this has been discussed elsewhere already..

I'll cut right to the chase.. at the end of Head Down, there's a melody that rises out of the distortion, and I'm hoping someone might know how that effect was accomplished? Looking at this youtube vid, it looks like Trent is playing it on some kind of synth or controller, but I can't really tell from the vid what exactly is going on. For all I know I could be completely wrong smiling smiley

Does anyone have any insight on this effect?

[uk.youtube.com]

 

10/31/08 3:58 PM

I asked about this here a while ago.
Unfortunately, I still haven't been able to produce anything really close to that sound. sad smiley

 

10/31/08 5:37 PM

I appreciate your reply and link, thanks! I think I can probably get what I want, as long as I have some idea of where to start, that thread should be pretty helpful smiling smiley

From the video, it does look similar to the novation controller.. I'll have to play around with my softsynths and see what I can come up with! If I figure it out I'll share.

 

09/04/08 10:03 PM

Hey!
Someone knows how did Trent (or Richard Patrick) got that amazing guitar sound on the original (Broken's) version of Gave Up? It can be heard very clearly at aprox. 2:54 mins of the music. On the videoclip version it can be heard at 2:49 mins.

On both versions it sounds like a very, very dirty Fuzz, with some modulator, like aome kind of Chorus effect.

If someone has figured it out, our know something, please post here.

Thanks!

 

09/05/08 2:29 AM

probably processed with turbosynth.

 

09/05/08 4:34 PM

low_resolution_sunset posted:
probably processed with turbosynth.
Maybe.
But I think that maybe something else...

 

09/05/08 7:28 PM

if not turbosynth, then it probably is a sound from a keyboard synthesizer.

turbosynth's DSP and cycling 74's pluggo can do things like that, but i do not believe that sound comes from a pedal alone.

besides, there was an article way back that where he mentions it.

go here and see for yourself.

 
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