posted:

However, given that the 400+GB of footage comes with pre-synced sound, pre-arranged cuts in Final Cut Pro, etc. Why does it seem like no one is discussing just taking those elements and finalizing it into a mix they way it has been arranged? Everyone keeps talking about "I'm going to do my own edit, blah blah..." which is great... but I'd just like to see the mix that was released.
It seems to me that NIN has pretty much released a DVD of three shows, but instead of the final product they released the pieces (legal reasons I'm sure) and we just need to assemble them, then watch and enjoy. Right?

Very excited to get the audio for all of this for car listening and such. I just started getting it tonight finally.

Regarding the above quote it sounds like there are no edits done. But theyve prepared the footage so each camera (angle) lines up in sync with the others and STAYS in sync (in time) so editing is just a matter of deciding what camera you want at any given moment - and then of course any other picture editing stuff you want to do.

As far as the audio goes, who has stated this is a mixed (as in worked on after the tour) audio track??
Im gonna guess this is a soundboard mix done by the mixer at the show.
I guess its possible "some certain people" worked through the last half of December and went over all 3 shows and did a "rough mix" of everything afterwards to clean up levels a bit, but I find that hard to believe this is a mix. Usually a live mix of a show after the show consists of having to do a lot more than just adjust some levels. Most projects like that get done as a song per day.
Full mix of songs by Trent and Co possible perhaps but I just am thinking not.
If so, well then MAN that guy works to hard!!!!

As for what someone earlier (did I read that here - theres so many pages Ive skimmed through my head hurts and I dont know what Ive read where.....) said about the concert DVD BYIT being a mix with overdubs and how that seemed like cheating or whatever and hoping this audio wouldnt be that.........

It would be nearly impossible to find any major music concert release that wasnt remixed in a studio later with overdubs ranging from tracks here and there to almost the WHOLE performance being re-done. Most things like that are at LEAST re-sung in a studio.
I was dissapointed too when I first got in studios as a younger man and learned the truth about live albums and videos (most of them), but when you go through the process, you understand why so much work has to be done, and why its not CHEATING.

Im guessing this audio is the real deal - no overdubbs cause there just hasnt been much time. But Ill be surprised if its been "properly" mixed.

And surely.........I could be completely wrong.

and further more....

I really dont get the people asking for smaller copies of this stuff. I think you are all really missing the point. If you want smaller copies, then get the footage and make one. If you want to get something accomplished, go for it and get it done.

I think its a shame that everyones just gonna get the footage and then put crappy copies of it all over the internet.
But....whatever. Its what everyone seems to do with everything else.
You can all watch it on your iphones.



I had a funny thought today trying to figure out if Trent ALONE has had an impact on Hard Drive sales in the world this past week. Imagining everyone all over the world going out and purchasing large drives. Maybe even many are getting computers too.
Final Cut may see a jump in sales as well. Who knows.

I do hope that others are going to do some editing.
Theres no reason there has to be one difinitive DVD or whatever of this from thisoneisonus. Why leave it to others. You may not even like their edits. Go and get some equipment and see what you can all do!!!!

I personally am a bit worried the DVD is going to be a mish-mash of different editing styles every time a song changes based on what they said they are doing. But oh well.
Nothing personal to them - its cool what they are doing for sure. I even envy them for tackling this BECAUSE were all going to have different opinions on how it should be done. I think dealing with THAT will be harder for them than trying do get a finished edit of the footage.

They are going to do color correcting and stuff too arent they?

cheers everyone!

Jud@s posted:

Big thanks to all involved in this so far... the audio teaser is fantasic, thanks for both full length and cut_ups (did my own cutting, but it still nice for all the users with no tech knowage whatsoever).

All the work being done in this project is really appreciated by the people that eather dont have the space and/or hightech or the knowlage to do anything but wait for the finished product.

Jud@s stands up and gives a standing ovation to all of you

Again... thanks to all envolved!

I second that!!!!

Thanks!

I agree with you , Dwid.... some people jsut can't see beyond their own needs/purposes

Powhatan posted:

posted:

I'm loving it that FIOS has no bandwidth cap!

you people with FIOS must be STYLIN!!!!
It must be so fast!!

I'm on FiOS and I'm seeing consistent 500KBps + down and I'm serving up at 150KBps

Hopefully I'll have Victoria complete by the end of tomorrow.

Just one question about the recordings, i haven't even tried to download them cos i know i dont have the room for even one.

Just downloaded DerDantey's YouTube clips and noticed they are all recorded from one area that look likes the soundboard desk, do the final copies of each track's video have multi-angles and will the dvd or are all songs just from that angle and that is what will be on the dvd ???

Thanks

SUPER!
Thank you.

brent7777 posted:

mike posted:

Since everyone seems to be having trouble finding a definitive way of Windows users using this without transcoding (which is lossy), I dug around and found this on another forum. It explains how Windows users can either transcode or DEMUX and get a (supposedly) LOSSLESS conversion. I'm still eons away from getting the footage finished downloading, but I have way more than enough drive space and a brand new i7 beast that I've already used on some AVCHD 1080p videos and it works great. So I plan on using the demux method to get it to a point where I can just pop it into Premiere CS4.

Only thing that sucks is, Premiere will only let you do a 4-cam edit easily. I wish there was something that'd let me do more than than on a PC. With the comcast limits, it's going to be months before I have all of this downloaded, though.... sigh.

[forums.atomicmpc.com.au]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Apple are bastards.

HDV is MPEG-2.

QuickTime Pro 7 on Windows comes without the MPEG-2 plugin, it sells for $20 last time I checked.

Once you buy the MPEG-2 plugin, it still does not allow decoding of HDV in Quicktime container.


If you are unfortunate enough to have footage in Quicktime/HDV, or were silly enough to capture with FCP into HDV (you can capture in ProRes HDV with FCP - which QuickTime for Windows will decode, thus work in Premiere), do not worry, there is help for you.

You have 2 options of getting MOV/HDV footage working in Windows.

1. You transcode it.
2. You demux it back to an MPEG stream.

The best method is obvously 2, as it doesn't recompress/re-encode, you will not lose quality.

[Note - I (mike) deleted Option 1, cause who cares about the transcode? Link is above if you want the lossy way]

2. Demuxing
This method has been tested with both Premiere Pro CS3 and Premiere Pro CS4.

Download AviDemux, Avanti and FFmpeg (choose latest) for Windows.

Install AviDemux.

You will need WinRAR or 7-Zip to Extract the Avanti and FFmpeg packages for Windows.

Extract Avanti, put it in C:\Avanti or a preferred place, before running Avanti, extract ffmpeg (all files in archive) to the ffmpeg sub directory in the Avanti directory.

Run Avanti

In source one, click browse and locate your craptime MOV file, click browse on destination and type file name and press enter.

Change the codec for audio to demux audio, same with video, change it to demux video and change the drop box next to it called container to ES.

check enable for video, click start, uncheck video then check audio and click start, this will generate a .mpg and a .wav

Your .mpg and .wav files are now ready to be used in Premiere.

However, for best performance in Premiere I recommend an extra following step.

Run AviDemux, click file and open and locate the newly created .mpg file, and open it, when it asks to index click yes.

Set the video track to copy, and the audio track to WAV LPCM, change the format to MPEG-PS (do -not- use MPEG-TS).

Now click the Audio menu and click main track, change source to External Wav.

Then hit browse and locate the newly created .wav file and hit open.

Now go to File->Save->Save Video, find a location to save in, type a file name and use the extension .mpg or .mpeg


Now you can import this file in Premiere, it'll take a few seconds to import and then to conform it after importing, but once it's done, it'll act and behave nicely, and performance will be fast (or at least normal) rather than doggedly slow as it would be if you captured to ProRes.

You can do batch conversion with FFmpeg via command line.

Thanks for the post. I followed this process for the Portland Cam1-1 footage and it worked great. It imported into Premiere Pro without any problems. This is definitely a workable solution for those without FCP.

I have downloaded one part of Cam1 (Sacramento) and I want now to play it. Quicktime only plays the sound, but not the video. VLC only the video and not the sound. Which player do I have to take to be able to see AND hear something?

Thank you!

mike posted:

Since everyone seems to be having trouble finding a definitive way of Windows users using this without transcoding (which is lossy), I dug around and found this on another forum. It explains how Windows users can either transcode or DEMUX and get a (supposedly) LOSSLESS conversion. I'm still eons away from getting the footage finished downloading, but I have way more than enough drive space and a brand new i7 beast that I've already used on some AVCHD 1080p videos and it works great. So I plan on using the demux method to get it to a point where I can just pop it into Premiere CS4.

Only thing that sucks is, Premiere will only let you do a 4-cam edit easily. I wish there was something that'd let me do more than than on a PC. With the comcast limits, it's going to be months before I have all of this downloaded, though.... sigh.

[forums.atomicmpc.com.au]

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Apple are bastards.

HDV is MPEG-2.

QuickTime Pro 7 on Windows comes without the MPEG-2 plugin, it sells for $20 last time I checked.

Once you buy the MPEG-2 plugin, it still does not allow decoding of HDV in Quicktime container.


If you are unfortunate enough to have footage in Quicktime/HDV, or were silly enough to capture with FCP into HDV (you can capture in ProRes HDV with FCP - which QuickTime for Windows will decode, thus work in Premiere), do not worry, there is help for you.

You have 2 options of getting MOV/HDV footage working in Windows.

1. You transcode it.
2. You demux it back to an MPEG stream.

The best method is obvously 2, as it doesn't recompress/re-encode, you will not lose quality.

[Note - I (mike) deleted Option 1, cause who cares about the transcode? Link is above if you want the lossy way]

2. Demuxing
This method has been tested with both Premiere Pro CS3 and Premiere Pro CS4.

Download AviDemux, Avanti and FFmpeg (choose latest) for Windows.

Install AviDemux.

You will need WinRAR or 7-Zip to Extract the Avanti and FFmpeg packages for Windows.

Extract Avanti, put it in C:\Avanti or a preferred place, before running Avanti, extract ffmpeg (all files in archive) to the ffmpeg sub directory in the Avanti directory.

Run Avanti

In source one, click browse and locate your craptime MOV file, click browse on destination and type file name and press enter.

Change the codec for audio to demux audio, same with video, change it to demux video and change the drop box next to it called container to ES.

check enable for video, click start, uncheck video then check audio and click start, this will generate a .mpg and a .wav

Your .mpg and .wav files are now ready to be used in Premiere.

However, for best performance in Premiere I recommend an extra following step.

Run AviDemux, click file and open and locate the newly created .mpg file, and open it, when it asks to index click yes.

Set the video track to copy, and the audio track to WAV LPCM, change the format to MPEG-PS (do -not- use MPEG-TS).

Now click the Audio menu and click main track, change source to External Wav.

Then hit browse and locate the newly created .wav file and hit open.

Now go to File->Save->Save Video, find a location to save in, type a file name and use the extension .mpg or .mpeg


Now you can import this file in Premiere, it'll take a few seconds to import and then to conform it after importing, but once it's done, it'll act and behave nicely, and performance will be fast (or at least normal) rather than doggedly slow as it would be if you captured to ProRes.

You can do batch conversion with FFmpeg via command line.

Thankyou. Thankyou thankyou thankyou. I didn't even know what problems I'd run into when I try to edit this, so I'm bookmarking this for future reference.

You're a legend

Schweinstein1982 posted:

earlive posted:

i would really hate it if this thread got shut just because of your irrelevant ongoing blabbings of nothing.
so just shut the fuck up already.

someone bring this thread back on topic. ill start. my damn files wont budge,they've been at 80% since i got home @ 4pm or w/e.
I NEED seeders, and for something's sake dont be an asshole by keeping your up speed at minimum. that goes for everyone.

actually the thread title really has nothing to do with anything apart from thanking TR. It does not say in the title thread "for elitest d/l u/l users only. I'm pretty sure there's a separate thread for these people. So take your advice buddy. On another note, I'd like to thank TR for encorporating all the elitest arrogant fucking wankers by posting the HD footage. It really amazes me that considering I have been listening to your music since 1994, that such people do exist in liking similiar music to that of mine, who live on a completely different fucking planet.

On another note, i'll leave it at that.

Once again thanks to the people who posted the WAV/MP3 files.

this thread is just for that,the DOWNLOADS and if the dl's are screwy due to encoders then yes people should be talking about the details, whether you understand it or not. AND ACTUALLY, NO the thread title doesn't say THANK TRENT REZNOR it says FOOTAGE DOWNLOADS.
you're mad over not having this HD crap, well wtf are you on right now that you cant view these vids,a cell phone? last time i looked vga and lcd are both HighDef.

so why dont you take this advice and shove it so far into yourself you'll be screaming like the SWINE you've been taught to hate.

have a fucking sook dipshit

earlive posted:

i could go with MU but do ya'll really want another video download?

Personally, I really don't care to download on MU...Actually, I'd rather prefer that than watching it on youtube or vimeo.

So do as you want dude! Anyway, I'm sure someone will be posting it on download soon or later...

I'm uploading Sacramento CAM1-1 to the alt.binaries.music.nin and alt.binaries.music.videos binary newsgroups. Unfortunately my ISP is Cox and not Verizon FIOS, so this will take awhile to upload. Right now yencPowerPost is showing another 19 1/2 hours to go in the upload, so it should all be there by Monday morning with PAR files. Anyone planning on posting Sacramento CAM1-2 or Sacramento CAM1-3 to the newsgroups?

Again, I've faith in all of you working on this to release both HD and regular DVD of the shows...
I'm really not worried...I'm sure everybody will be satisfied as I said before!