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Hey there,
I wanted to make this post to better help those who intend on editing this footage. There is a LOT of common ground that no matter what platform/applications or file formats you are using that we could all help each other with. I would like to try to keep things in the first post if possible so people don't have to read through 80 pages to find something helpful, so basically turning this into a index/wiki of editing goodness. The first and biggest is the setlists and the track times (chapter times if making a DVD) So below I will post the setlists for the three shows and I would like to achieve the goal of filling out the exact length (split) times between songs. This way atleast there is some uniform track lengths and it will also be easier for newcomers to mess with the footage. I would also like to index with helpful links in this main topic so that others have an easy time trying to obtain their goals whatever those should be. A quick note on the footage, it was exported using a MAC using the application Final Cut Pro using a .mov (Quicktime Container) in the HDV2 codec. You will not find this codec on a PC (it doesn't exist) you also will not find it on a MAC without Final Cut Pro installed (so i hear anyway). (You will hear sound but not see any video, some applications like VideoLan Client www.videolan.org can VIEW the footage.) The above makes things difficult for PC users, I suggest if you are editing this on a PC that you demux (demux means splitting out the audio/video from a multimedia file) the .mov file to a new container. There is a number of ways of doing this, the application ffmpeg is excellent at this task however its command line interface can be confusing to some. There is an application called Avanti which is a frontend for ffmpeg (it does all the work for you while you click buttons  , if you get Avanti you need to download ffmpeg aswell.).
When demuxing the video from the .mov file you will have several containers to pick from. One of the best and most recommended containers is the .mkv container. (There really isn't any quality loss here). However this container might not be supported by all of your applications, you can use Avisynth to help you with this or you can use another container such as m2v which is also very good and is mpeg based so it works with a lot of applications. Avisynth Example: (You put your path to the .mkv or .m2v file and this will resize to whatever dimensions you input) posted: The above is up to you and this is basically where we split off onto our own goals we now have a video and audio file which we can edit in our editing applications (Adobe Premiere Pro for example) Set lists and track lengths: (this list was copied from [www.ninwiki.com] and i have no reason to doubt its accuracy) 2008/12/05 Victoria, BC posted: 2008/12/07 Portland, OR posted: 2008/12/12 Sacramento, CA posted: Feel free to PM me or reply if you have something positive and helpful to add (things that other people with this footage that intend on editing it should need to know) - bawitdaba Helpful Links: How-To: Edit a Multi-Cam Project in Adobe Premiere Pro How-To: Transcode Quicktime/MOV HDV for use in Adobe Premiere Pro Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2009 09:27PM by bawitdaba. | |
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Badass post. Will view this often
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glad to see your making progress
You can demux it to a mpg, m2v, mkv, or whatever there is a lot of containers to pick from. However there is some slight loss in quality (your going to have to take that loss no matter what your doing or else we would just use the original files). You should note that this does not change the resolution.
I demuxed mine to a m2v container and used CCE to re-encode it to DVD quality 720x480. Once i do this for all the cams i can import them into Adobe Premiere Pro and export the sequence I want without having Adobe re-encode anything. If your going for a Bluray or XVID/DIVX approach you will most likely be doing something similar but using a higher then DVD resolution (1920x1080 i think) I'm working on the Sacramento footage, my hard drive isn't big enough to handle all the sets at once so I need to convert them beforehand good luck | |
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OK then, after checking out the different CAM1-1 videos people have already posted and some of the audio stuff ripped from elsewhere, I noticed there's quite a difference in the way the audio is mixed in the different concerts. So I started wondering, which concert offered the best audio of each song? For example, until now the best general audio quality I've heard seems to be on the Sacramento show, but then I listened to Survivalism, and there I think the background vocals are way too low. And now I'm listening to Only from Sacramento (thanks to whoever's ripping the .WAVs for Sacramento) and that funky bass is way too low in volume.
So it might be useful to try to find these "best" versions, for whoever wishes to EQ and "remaster" the audio into the best possible end result - or at least the result they themself wish to have - myself, I'd like to experiment a bit and sort of try and rough the audio up without losing clarity, and add a bit of impulse reverb of some venue. The idea, being of course, to try to bring the "feel" in the audio into at least a fraction of what you would hear at a venue. I'ts impossible, of course, because on the venue you really FEEL the sound because of the sound pressure, but I'd still like to try. 
Of course, using the audio from one concert in another concert's video might be problematic even if the tempos were evenly matched, since Trent's occasional "heys" and "whoahs" would probably be different, but that could probably be worked out somehow. | |
K5000 posted: I don't know what version of Final Cut they used (i assume it is 6 as it is the latest) I assumed all the cams used the same soundboard audio source... Some of the 3 sets might sound different as they are different venues and most likely different board/engineers working on those shows. It should sound the same as if you were to sneak up and hook your audio recorder to the soundboard... I don't see why you would want to change the audio in that fashion... A lot of the songs in the setlist are similar between the 3 sets though so if you are making a DVD you basically have your pick between the best out of 3 performances... | |
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Thankyou for doing this!
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rob_sheridan posted: no problem, anytime. I just ordered two 1TB drives so I can finish grabbing and re-encoding the rest of the shows and angles. As it stands now i have all the CAM 1 footage from the Sacramento, CA show converted to 720x480 NTSC DVD format using Cinema Craft Encoder (CCE 9 Pass). Avg of 1.6GB - 1.8GB a file. My goal as we are talking about a fan DVD was to re-encode as much footage as possible to DVD and BluRay formats so it can be cut/edited together simply. I'll start working on getting these uploaded. Here is some sample pics of the re-encoded video 9 Pass CCE 6022kbps 720x480. (Pics snapped in VLC) 2008/12/12 Sacramento, CA: Vessel 1 2 21 Ghosts III 1 28 Ghosts IV 1 19 Ghosts III 1 2 3 4 Piggy 1 The Greater Good 1 Wish 1 2 3 4 5 6 To answer a few messages I got, this is what i ended up doing. 1) Using avanti-031 (ffmpeg frontend) to demux the video to a .mkv container. This file comes out around 8.30GB on avg which is still excellent quality. 2) Creating an Avisynth script to frameserve and resize the video. Example: posted: From here your .avs file can be used in many applications that support Avisynth. I used the professional Cinema Craft Encoder which can directly load .avs files for encoding. After a long time I ended up with high quality mpeg DVD quality conversions. - bawitdaba Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2009 10:36PM by bawitdaba. | |
