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01/15/09 4:30 PM

Here is the demuxing advice from the other thread. I haven't been able to get them to work for me but I'll mention more about that afterwards.

posted:
Apple are bastards.

HDV is MPEG-2.

QuickTime Pro 7 on Windows comes without the MPEG-2 plugin, it sells for $20 last time I checked.

Once you buy the MPEG-2 plugin, it still does not allow decoding of HDV in Quicktime container.


If you are unfortunate enough to have footage in Quicktime/HDV, or were silly enough to capture with FCP into HDV (you can capture in ProRes HDV with FCP - which QuickTime for Windows will decode, thus work in Premiere), do not worry, there is help for you.

You have 2 options of getting MOV/HDV footage working in Windows.

1. You transcode it.
2. You demux it back to an MPEG stream.

The best method is obvously 2, as it doesn't recompress/re-encode, you will not lose quality.

[Note - I (mike) deleted Option 1, cause who cares about the transcode? Link is above if you want the lossy way]

2. Demuxing
This method has been tested with both Premiere Pro CS3 and Premiere Pro CS4.

Download AviDemux, Avanti and FFmpeg (choose latest) for Windows.

Install AviDemux.

You will need WinRAR or 7-Zip to Extract the Avanti and FFmpeg packages for Windows.

Extract Avanti, put it in C:\Avanti or a preferred place, before running Avanti, extract ffmpeg (all files in archive) to the ffmpeg sub directory in the Avanti directory.

Run Avanti

In source one, click browse and locate your craptime MOV file, click browse on destination and type file name and press enter.

Change the codec for audio to demux audio, same with video, change it to demux video and change the drop box next to it called container to ES.

check enable for video, click start, uncheck video then check audio and click start, this will generate a .mpg and a .wav

Your .mpg and .wav files are now ready to be used in Premiere.

However, for best performance in Premiere I recommend an extra following step.

Run AviDemux, click file and open and locate the newly created .mpg file, and open it, when it asks to index click yes.

Set the video track to copy, and the audio track to WAV LPCM, change the format to MPEG-PS (do -not- use MPEG-TS).

Now click the Audio menu and click main track, change source to External Wav.

Then hit browse and locate the newly created .wav file and hit open.

Now go to File->Save->Save Video, find a location to save in, type a file name and use the extension .mpg or .mpeg


Now you can import this file in Premiere, it'll take a few seconds to import and then to conform it after importing, but once it's done, it'll act and behave nicely, and performance will be fast (or at least normal) rather than doggedly slow as it would be if you captured to ProRes.

You can do batch conversion with FFmpeg via command line.

The problem that I have is, when I get to selecting ES as the container Avanti tells me "Container setting 'ES' is not applicable on 'Demux Video'."

So, has anyone found a reliable method or am I missing some codec that I've overlooked? Or perhaps the version of Avanti I have is outdated, it's version 0.3.1.

I assume there will be several other PC users wanting to edit this stuff, the only problem I'm having is getting the videos to a workable format. Also, I'm not that fussed about using the full HD quality, any good advice for getting a nice avi or mpeg fils that's under 4gb?

 

01/15/09 5:04 PM

I've had success with avanti. The first run through let me select the ES container. The second part of the show, I started it and it gave that error, but it still let me click "start process" and let me demux the video.

 

01/15/09 5:40 PM

I just changed the container 'ES' to 'mpg'. However, it only allows me to demux CAM1-1 with this method, other files give an error somewhere along the way (usually 33% or something like that) and the demux is not completed.

 

01/15/09 7:38 PM

JessicaSarahS posted:
I've had success with avanti. The first run through let me select the ES container. The second part of the show, I started it and it gave that error, but it still let me click "start process" and let me demux the video.

*edited to cut out the long and painful process that just isn't worth it. You're better off fighting with avanti to get your video*....

So in the end, Camera 1-1 is the easiest to work with (and I thought that took a long time!), but the rest are frustrating as fuck.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2009 02:58AM by JessicaSarahS.

 

01/15/09 9:19 PM

K5000 posted:
I just changed the container 'ES' to 'mpg'. However, it only allows me to demux CAM1-1 with this method, other files give an error somewhere along the way (usually 33% or something like that) and the demux is not completed.

I did that and got the same results.

 

01/15/09 10:47 PM

JessicaSarahS posted:
JessicaSarahS posted:
I've had success with avanti. The first run through let me select the ES container. The second part of the show, I started it and it gave that error, but it still let me click "start process" and let me demux the video.

Just to add to my own little quote, even though I demuxed the video, it wasn't easy to get it to work with anything else. The video was not playable in any other media players but VLC, which is not what I experienced with Camera 1-1. And when I would introduce any type of audio related file to the movie, it would crash premiere. So I imported the video-only file into premiere, then immediately exported it as an HD movie and saved it (If I touched anything else but the media exporter, it would crash). Then I opened the newly created video-only file in premiere and added the wav audio. For some reason, the files from pt 2 and pt 3, would crash premiere when the demuxed audio was added at the same time as the demuxed video, so I had to do everything separately. And it didn't matter what audio codec was used. I tried everything. So it's a long, pain in the ass process and takes for fucking ever but it worked.

I tried muxing the audio back in with a billion other programs, but they were pretty much worthless. If anyone has any success with muxing the audio back into the file AND still have a stable enough file to work in premiere, please let me know! And of course, if anyone has any quicker and proven ways of doing any of this, please let me know.

So in the end, Camera 1-1 is the easiest to work with (and I thought that took a long time!), but the rest are frustrating as fuck.

Use SUPER. [www.afterdawn.com]

Do the audio and video separately.

mpg container, mpeg-II
ffMPEG
No change to scale size, 29.97FP/s, select the bitrate you want.
Disable Audio.

Once it's done. Do the audio as a 16/48 WAV from Super. Disable Video.

Import both into Premiere. Enjoy editing. At least that's my experience on CAMs 1-1 through 1-3 from Victoria, on Windows 7, in Premiere CS3.



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2009 11:49PM by TheInternetIsSerious.

 

01/15/09 11:22 PM

Thanks a lot, I'll give this a try immediately. smileys with beer

 

01/15/09 11:50 PM

SUPER was the first thing I tried. It worked once for cam 1-1, but ever since then it just crashes every time I try to use it. sad smiley

 

01/15/09 11:51 PM

smallpbigandas posted:
Thanks a lot, I'll give this a try immediately. smileys with beer

For a fellow Scotsman, I could do no less than give advice winking smiley

My family is from Port Glasgow originally. I've been a few times. I want to move to the motherland ASAP.

 

01/15/09 11:52 PM

JessicaSarahS posted:
SUPER was the first thing I tried. It worked once for cam 1-1, but ever since then it just crashes every time I try to use it. sad smiley

Bizarre. What OS? And what show for that matter. I'm working with the Victoria CAM 1 footage currently.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/15/2009 11:52PM by TheInternetIsSerious.

 

01/15/09 11:54 PM

TheInternetIsSerious posted:
JessicaSarahS posted:
SUPER was the first thing I tried. It worked once for cam 1-1, but ever since then it just crashes every time I try to use it. sad smiley

Bizarre. What OS? And what show for that matter. I'm working with the Victoria CAM 1 footage currently.

Vista and Sacramento.

 

01/16/09 12:02 AM

JessicaSarahS posted:
TheInternetIsSerious posted:
JessicaSarahS posted:
SUPER was the first thing I tried. It worked once for cam 1-1, but ever since then it just crashes every time I try to use it. sad smiley

Bizarre. What OS? And what show for that matter. I'm working with the Victoria CAM 1 footage currently.

Vista and Sacramento.

Try running SUPER as administrator, unless you've turned off UAC or have manually given your Windows login full control permissions. Then that wouldn't be the cause. If not though, give it a whirl. I'm sure there's a possible workaround. I haven't even started Sacramento, so I'm a long ways away from being able to work out a solution on this show personally. Unless someone can provide me the source material in an expedited manner?

Hell...people aren't even sticking around to seed Victoria (13 seeds/99 completions)...so fat chance of that happening I guess? winking smiley

Also, you've tried running the audio and video rips separately? I ran into issues trying to grab them both simultaneously.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/16/2009 12:06AM by TheInternetIsSerious.

 

01/16/09 12:08 AM

Yeah, I turned off UAC as soon as I installed vista, lol and I have full admin permissions on my profile. I couldn't figure out a workaround with that damn program, and I tried everything that I could think of when a program isn't behaving properly.

 

01/16/09 12:21 AM

Hopefully you figure out a solution before I have that Sacramento torrent completed. Or you will have waited quite a long time...lol



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/16/2009 12:21AM by TheInternetIsSerious.

 

01/16/09 1:11 AM

what is the best audio/video editing program to use for PC windows?

 

01/16/09 1:30 AM

TheInternetIsSerious posted:
Hopefully you figure out a solution before I have that Sacramento torrent completed. Or you will have waited quite a long time...lol

Well, like I said in my earlier post, I'm going a really long way about it, it's taking me about 5-6 hrs to convert a file and get the audio/video together before I can edit it all up. I just wish there was a quicker way. confused smiley

rezellen posted:
what is the best audio/video editing program to use for PC windows?

I would say Adobe Premiere Pro is pretty good, but that's because it's what I use, but it still leaves me craving more. I've heard a lot of good things about avid xpress pro (well, now it's avid media composer)so I'm going to try that one out soon.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/16/2009 01:48AM by JessicaSarahS.

 

01/16/09 1:54 AM

Ok since there are people having trouble converting the sourcem material. I'm gonna write a little tutorial for it.

So all I did for converting the mov's into something usable is that I used "Avanti plus FFMPEG" to demux the .mov into .wav and an .m2v file.

After that I used "DVD2AVI" to create a .d2v file (Press F4).

Now I wrote a little Avisynth script (you need to get/install Avisynth first).

LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\MPEG2Dec3.dll"winking smiley 
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\decomb.dll"winking smiley
LoadPlugin("C:\PROGRA~1\GORDIA~1\UnDot.dll"winking smiley
video=mpeg2source("victoria.d2v"winking smiley 
audio=wavsource("victoria.wav"winking smiley
audiodub(video,audio)
Telecide(order=1,guide=1).Decimate()
LanczosResize(1280,720)
ConvertToYV12()

Now you can open the .avs file with any encoder or video editing tool. I used MEGUI to convert it to 720p x264 files, but you can use anything you want.

Have Fun!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/16/2009 01:55AM by TheRocK.

 

01/16/09 2:50 AM

so (hope it helps you) here´s my way to extract audio/video from the .mov containers with the target to use audio and hd-video in windows-based authoring-programms.

first i tried avanti in combination with ffmpeg and avisyth (newest releases of course)
demuxing audio to .wav files works without problems by choosing the source (.mov) and the destination (.wav) files.

screenshot

enable audio only and set codec to "demux audio" (ignore bitrate, sample frequency and channels, the "demux audio" option means to separate the audiotrack from the container without changes on it´s parameters) start process and after a little while the result is an 1536 kbps, 48 khz, 2 channel .wav file.

demuxing the video in avanti first worked by ignoring some errors and 10 or more trys for some files but then the following problem: if there´s a longer phase of black video, avanti stops demuxing at this moment and says it´s done. no chance for me to solve this.

so i went back to vlc-player (latest release!) and used it for demuxing the video.
be sure to set the demuxe-modul to "ffmpeg-demuxer" (tools->preferences->input/codecs->demuxers)

screenshot

then choose media->convert/save->select the source->click convert/save at the bottom.

screenshot

select file and filename (don´t choose anything at encapsulation/video codec/audio codec/subtitles) and click save.

screenshot

this may take 5 minutes (depends on your computer-performance) and the result is an 25 mbps, 1440*1080, 29.97 fps hd-mpeg file without audio, ready for use in adobe premiere cs4 in my case.

oh, sorry for my bad english ;-)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/16/2009 04:10PM by Gowron72.

 

01/16/09 3:57 AM

Gowron72 posted:
so (hope it helps you) here´s my way to extract audio/video from the .mov containers with the target to use audio and hd-video in windows-based authoring-programms.

Hey man, good stuff. I was wondering if VLC Player could be used somehow, since you can use it to watch the videos anyway. Will try once my download completes - which will take a while since my computer spontaneously rebooted while it was downloading and the USB volume was corrupted. eye rolling smiley

 

01/16/09 1:29 PM

Juste a note : I'm not sure black parts are the cause for Avanti failures.
I found the Avanti trick ... just demux with 'M2V' and not 'MPG' it worked on all files AND it's A LOT faster. (m2v is mpg without audio)

(strangely, when i remux with tmpgenc mpeg editor, it's longer and require more work than when it was demuxed as mpg)

 

01/16/09 1:32 PM

TheRock and Gowron72, you guys are awesome! smileys with beer

 

01/16/09 3:08 PM

THANK YOU so much Gowron72, I been messing with this for a week trying to get files that Premiere Pro would accept, you have made my day! spinning smiley sticking its tongue out

 

01/16/09 3:25 PM

I've got a dumbass question.

If you demux the footage, is there a chance of that throwing the audio/video tracks out of sync in premiere?

I'm just trying to get my head round how this all works

/newbie question

smiling smiley

 

01/16/09 4:01 PM

hybrid756 posted:
If you demux the footage, is there a chance of that throwing the audio/video tracks out of sync in premiere?

for me no problems in premiere, i tested it with the 3 cam1-files of all shows.
separated audio and video files has the same lenghth and the sync is given at every point on the timeline. in the case of differences (not more than 5-10 ms shorter video) the reference point for both files should be the right ends of the file-graphics.

good work @all

 

01/16/09 4:05 PM

Excellent winking smiley

Thanks very much for your help. I'm going to bookmark this page to run through what you explained up there ^^^, that's great news to see a tried and tested way working. Screenshots are awesome idea smiling smiley

Hope your edits are going well!

 

01/17/09 2:52 AM

Well, I tried the suggestions given, and they looked like they were going to work, but they just didn't give the output I was looking for. Either I suck at reading instructions (I hate following instructions, I'm a "push-every-button-and-see-what-comes-out" kind of person) or my computer sucks or both (probably both). But, I went back to the first things I was using since I had some success with those: avanti and avidemux, and after repeated attempts and fighting forever with avanti, I was FINALLY able to demux a proper/stable video file AND mux the audio and video in avidemux AND edit the final result in premiere. Now, let's just hope that works for the remainder of the video files. Fucking avanti. angry smiley But the video came out fairly nice! So I'll hug it and love it for now. Until it starts acting like a little bitch again. angry smiley

*and now that I'm a little more confident that I'll be able to do the rest of the show with this method, I'll start uploading some of the other vids I had cut up to youtube.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 01/17/2009 02:59AM by JessicaSarahS.

 

01/17/09 6:09 AM

I just keep getting that ES error in Avanti, and converting to any other format always fails. VLC player didn't do anything.

 

01/17/09 9:47 AM

Posted this in the tech thread:

MPEG STREAMCLIP AND BUY QUICKTIME PRO then:

I mainly use this programme to convert (non-copyright) DVDs into QuickTime rather than capturing them via Firewire into FCP.

If you are wanting to make the footage more user friendly eg turn the video into standard def and/or save a tad of file space:

Now I'm working on a Mac Pro/MacBook Pro (I've never tried this on a PC) and the settings I use are:

Open footage in MPEG Streamclip and file, export to QuickTime and in Compression I would use Apple DV/DVCPRO - NTSC Quality put to 100% and keep sound Uncompressed. But this could cause issues on PCs as it's an Apple codec.

File, export to DV and select DV in compression and NTSC in standard with a 16:9 ratio. This should give a file which can be opened on both Mac and PCs

Or file, export other formats and select DV Stream for iMovie editing, this will import quicker than QuickTime files or AVI/Windows Meida for PC editing.


Hope this may help.

 

01/17/09 1:35 PM

Thanks Gowron72! Your method has been the only one to generate files PremiereCS4 will accept. One note: in Gowron72's step 2(select file and filename (don´t choose anything at encapsulation/video codec/audio codec/subtitles) and click save.), I had to enter the file name with a .mpg extension.

I've used PremierePro in the past for editing SD footage, but I'm new to the CS4 version and HD editing in general - can anyone suggest export settings to best retain HD quality? Thanks.

 

01/17/09 3:27 PM

I can't figure this out for my PC. When I burn dvds I use IMG Burn and it's easy for me to use because the files are already in a Video_TS folder, is there any way I can do that, or if someone can send me a PM on step by step on what I should do with another program would be great. I'm starting to get frustrated. The Victoria dvd is down downloading and now I just want to watch it. I'm just confused.

 
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