KC 5.27.09 Dvd Project
 
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05/31/09 4:22 PM

i like the idea of a white cover, all my nin fan-made dvds have black covers, so a white one would be nice. Are you guys planning on including any Jane's or Street Sweeper, like a handful of songs to highlight their performances?

 

05/31/09 4:48 PM

http://ninjakcdvd.deejaygamer.com/kcdvdproto03-prev.jpg

You can click for the larger version, just note it's like 2.34 MB in size and might take awhile to load up.

There's probably a few adjustments I'd make for the final version-amongst them adding actual text to the description area. lol

 

05/31/09 6:42 PM

Can't wait to see what comes out of this project. I definitely love the cover art.

My pics from the show are posted both in the images section of nin.com as well as my flickr page: [www.flickr.com]

Feel free to use/edit/do whatever with any of my stuff for this project. All images were shot from Box 4, row H with a Nikon D200 w/ a Sigma 18-50mm f/2.8 lens. Any grainy images are due to the high ISO I was shooting with.

 

05/31/09 8:39 PM

That cover looks good.

 

05/31/09 11:03 PM

That cover looks great DJGamer.. If there's a vote count mine..

 

06/01/09 5:28 AM

Wow, great cover DJ!

 

06/01/09 10:00 AM

great cover indeed. Don't know if it had been asked before, but this will be a single or a double DVD release ?

 

06/01/09 10:59 AM

Some more stills (I was third row center).

 

06/01/09 11:48 AM

mundschuss posted:
if you still need someone to mix/master your audio (also in 5.1), just pm me winking smiley

im not a professional but i do a lot of this in my free time

seeya


I would caution you against trying to do any sort of matrixing or surround sound with the various audio sources. To get true surround sound, you you have to record with special (and expensive gear)...for example some concert taping hobbyists use these:

[www.soundfield.com]

All of the "digital recorders" used to record this show have "clocks" in them. They won't match up with each other, and you might spend hours dealing with the "drift" in audio that will occur as you get closer and closer to the end each *.wav file. Sound waves also reach each of the mics in the audience at slightly different times. Take that into account with the fact that you are already going to be lining up footage from many cameras with at least one audio source. I say save your self some headaches and pick your favorite stereo audio source...run with it. Lastly, unless you are mixing an audience source with a soundboard source, you are going to see little benefit. Matrixing two audience sources usually doesn't provide the extra ambiance that you might be after.


--Michael

 

06/01/09 12:15 PM

As soon as I find all my cords I'll be able to load the footage that I shot from backstage (Justin's side)

 

06/01/09 2:48 PM

I put some more video up that I took from the show Looks alot better. Lost In Reviews

 

06/01/09 2:51 PM

DJGamer posted:
http://ninjakcdvd.deejaygamer.com/kcdvdproto03-prev.jpg

You can click for the larger version, just note it's like 2.34 MB in size and might take awhile to load up.

There's probably a few adjustments I'd make for the final version-amongst them adding actual text to the description area. lol

I like it. I have video of the sound check in chicago if you want to use it as a special feature.

 

06/01/09 3:15 PM

boondockjunkie posted:
I put some more video up that I took from the show Looks alot better. Lost In Reviews

Nice videos. Is the interlacing issues due to youtube's compression or a transcoding error? Decent sound on these as well.

 

06/01/09 3:32 PM

Yeah youtube sucks. the video I have is crystal clear. the people around me were way cool never screamed saw I was recording and stayed quite.

 

06/01/09 3:45 PM

We need to talk about a dead line to submit footage. I know the DJ and Cheese are chomping at the bit. How does June 16th sound to everyone? Too much time? Not enough? Just right?

 

06/01/09 4:12 PM

This was posted on the ETS board. Whoever this guy is...we need his footage. Watch it in HD

[www.youtube.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2009 04:13PM by phenger.

 

06/01/09 5:31 PM

phenger posted:
This was posted on the ETS board. Whoever this guy is...we need his footage. Watch it in HD

[www.youtube.com]

Thats chaonatic, and unfortunately, getting ahold of him seems to be fairly difficult. Hes taken good footage of other shows in the area in the past too.

I tried sending him a whisper on here and through youtube ever since the morning that he posted his first video from the kc show, but still havent heard anything back.

I have had a couple of people respond to my backstage videos though through youtube that have offered to let me use their videos. Im going to whisper em back and let em know what its for and try to get em to either send their stuff in or at least let me download their vids from youtube to send in myself.

And the 16th sounds like an ok deadline, I should get paid before then (my stuff might be a few days after the 16th by the time it gets to you, but pretty close).

 

06/01/09 6:55 PM

I'll have a video of "Ted, Just Admit It..." up hopefully within an hour or two-right now it's encoding-then I need to covert it to a smaller format then upload it to YouTube. I'm using mblindsey's audio because mine sucks really bad-that's part of the reason for the delay in my footage getting put in YouTube-waiting for an alternate audio source.

The video is cropped to widescreen and I spent a very long time key-framing the position of the video to keep the projection screen in-frame and also to reduce the vertical camera shaking (which is more just a beneficial side effect than anything). Of course horizontally the camera can still be all over the place but that can't really be helped. The title screen stays up for about 45 seconds because I was swapping memory cards when the song started. The edited version I post on YouTube will probably be the version I'll send out to Ascension-although not all the footage will be adjusted as such-I just did this one because I wanted the framing to be just right. I'll probably do something similar with Three Days as well.

We should probably have some sort of conference soon, particularly in order to decide who's going to edit what. Between just myself and Cheese (Ascension also mentioned a third person interested in editing in an e-mail) there'd be three categories:

-Songs I'll edit in traditional style.
-Songs Cheese will edit traditional style.
-Songs Cheese will edit Closure-style and I'll edit traditionally.

We could potentially each do a full edit of every song but that's a lot of work-although having a third editor could allow the formula to shift a little.

I also have a revised version of the DVD cover which I'll be posting soon-it's based on some suggestions from my art thread in ETS -where I face my harshest critics.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/01/2009 07:16PM by DJGamer.

 

06/01/09 8:34 PM

DJ, what's the ETS thread you're talking about?

 

06/01/09 8:37 PM

andersonbc posted:
Some more stills (I was third row center).

fucking fantastic shots!!!

 

06/01/09 9:17 PM

I have family over at the moment I will be able to talk more tomorrow night. Im not sure exactly what im going to do as far as editing. I figured I will wait untill i have more footage and go with it from there! I have a friend thats gunna come help me master in 5.1 from multiple audio sources and give me pointers on the rest of the project. Im just waiting for something other than mine to work with. I am working on getting diablo75's footage downloaded right now!

 

06/01/09 9:52 PM

While we're waiting for YouTube to Finnish it's fucking maintenance-here's some wallpapers:

Standard:
http://ninjakcdvd.deejaygamer.com/ninjakcdvd_wp01-stndrd-prev.jpg

Widescreen:
http://ninjakcdvd.deejaygamer.com/ninjakcdvd_wp01-wdsrn-prev.jpg

Click on the previews for the full images.

Ted, Just Admit It...



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/02/2009 09:26AM by DJGamer.

 

06/02/09 12:17 PM

The audio is fucking awesome. The video is pretty jumpy, but I'd imagine that's mainly due to the vantage point of the camera holder. I can't wait to see what this is going to look like with multiple cameras, etc.

 

06/02/09 12:36 PM

mblindsey posted:
mundschuss posted:
if you still need someone to mix/master your audio (also in 5.1), just pm me winking smiley

im not a professional but i do a lot of this in my free time

seeya


I would caution you against trying to do any sort of matrixing or surround sound with the various audio sources. To get true surround sound, you you have to record with special (and expensive gear)...for example some concert taping hobbyists use these:

[www.soundfield.com]

All of the "digital recorders" used to record this show have "clocks" in them. They won't match up with each other, and you might spend hours dealing with the "drift" in audio that will occur as you get closer and closer to the end each *.wav file. Sound waves also reach each of the mics in the audience at slightly different times. Take that into account with the fact that you are already going to be lining up footage from many cameras with at least one audio source. I say save your self some headaches and pick your favorite stereo audio source...run with it. Lastly, unless you are mixing an audience source with a soundboard source, you are going to see little benefit. Matrixing two audience sources usually doesn't provide the extra ambiance that you might be after.


--Michael

mhh, i think a matrix of different audinece audio sources is a great...
and yeah, i know that the time is not exactly the same, thats not that difficult, jsut open them all in audition, search a kickdrum (or any peak) at the beginning, synchronize the files, search a peak at the end,s tretch the files.
its not my first matrix ;D only new would be the surround thing, but i already mixed the slip and year zero in 5.1

the big advantage is that you can only use the good frequencies of each recording, so have the punchy kickdrum from one record and have the crispy HF's from another...

seeya



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/02/2009 12:38PM by mundschuss.

 

06/02/09 6:05 PM

phenger posted:
The audio is fucking awesome. The video is pretty jumpy, but I'd imagine that's mainly due to the vantage point of the camera holder. I can't wait to see what this is going to look like with multiple cameras, etc.

Thank mblinkey for the audio (the audio from my camera was really crapy and distorted)-I only synched it up and converted it to Apple lossless with dBpoweramp. It actually helped me figure out that I could add a function to the conversion process which automatically changes the bit-depth so it can convert. It'd be nicer if it just did that automatically but in any case I figured it out.

As for the video being jumpy-you should've seen it before I adjusted it in Premiere-I tried to keep the framing so that the projection screen was always on top-there are a few parts I kinda missed (obviously), particularly at the beginning-but really it's so hard getting every frame just right-and when you adjust the position for one key frame you have to go back and compensate for whatever effects the transition might have on previous frames-so yeah, it's really complicated but that's the reason why it isn't more jumpy than it is-I have a kinda unsteady hand-maybe it's something to do with the clumsiness factor of having Asperger's Syndrome-it also probably has to do with the fact that I'm using 5x zoom and zoom tends to exaggerate any unsteadiness on the part of the camera holder.

It probably would've been a bit more steady also if I were using an actual camcorder with an arm grip instead of a point-and-shoot digital camera.

 

06/02/09 9:47 PM

[www.flickr.com]

Images from the show that someone may want to use in the menus or whatever.

 

06/03/09 12:06 PM

about the cover..there's a pic wich has the same colours of this and there's Trent throwing his guitar...wouldn't be this a great cover too? it's really "goodbye"

 

06/03/09 3:00 PM

Ascension posted:
We need to talk about a dead line to submit footage. I know the DJ and Cheese are chomping at the bit. How does June 16th sound to everyone? Too much time? Not enough? Just right?

I took advantage of cheesprocedure's generous offer, and mailed today my MiniDV of HD footage to him, so he should have mine very soon...

 

06/06/09 10:32 AM

HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EVERYBODY!!!!! third editor, up front and center!!!!!! mmmmm in my opinion if we want to do different styles of editing we should be careful in who does what in what way to ensure the best flow of the setlist, becoz say for example someone is watching and getting really into the moment the next song comes on and its a different style it can give a shift in mood, maybe not dramatically but it does make a difference in the long run, hopefully this doesnt sound toooo crazy and you understand what I mean.


I am unsure if this helps or we have it covered, but I started learning Adobe After Effects a while ago so I can do some pretty cool animations and transitions for the menus providing they are made in Encore which i have next to zero knowledge in but a great advantage with the intergretion system between Adobe Photoshop, After Effects and Adobe Encore.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/06/2009 10:37AM by Goldy.

 

06/06/09 6:18 PM

Goldy posted:
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EVERYBODY!!!!! third editor, up front and center!!!!!! mmmmm in my opinion if we want to do different styles of editing we should be careful in who does what in what way to ensure the best flow of the setlist, becoz say for example someone is watching and getting really into the moment the next song comes on and its a different style it can give a shift in mood, maybe not dramatically but it does make a difference in the long run, hopefully this doesnt sound toooo crazy and you understand what I mean.


I am unsure if this helps or we have it covered, but I started learning Adobe After Effects a while ago so I can do some pretty cool animations and transitions for the menus providing they are made in Encore which i have next to zero knowledge in but a great advantage with the intergretion system between Adobe Photoshop, After Effects and Adobe Encore.

I've got Creative Suite Production Premium myself and I'm thinking of learning After Effects and Encore-particularly Encore because I need to know what the possibilities may be in terms of using Alternate Edits for stuff like Cheese's "Closure" versions.

In terms of style-well I'd think that with the Closure style given the fact that we'd have like extra stuff between some of the songs that if we end up going to one of the more "regular" edits that it would actually feel more natural because it wouldn't be like one song "Closure-Style" than suddenly going into a second one "traditional"-there'd be something in-between which would separate them and I'm trying to go with the fact that even Closure had some more traditionally-edited stuff included in it-although given the fact that we're centering around a single show there'll probably be more traditional editing just because there's more songs.

We do need to decide how we'll be splitting up the set list(s) between ourselves-which ones will be edited Closure-style, etc. Also it would be good to know at least once all the footage comes in how much extra stuff we have that can be used for interstitial material for the Closure-style edit.

Is this the image I was told about-it isn't exactly Trent throwing a guitar but it's pretty badass and it's by the same dude who did the front cover so I may ask him if I can get a full resolution version of this as well-to use...somewhere-maybe the back cover, or an insert-the menus-perhaps the DVD label or something.

[beta.media.nin.com]



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/07/2009 03:23AM by DJGamer.

 
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