So the issue boils down to balance, right?

I mean - there is a reason in so many cultures in the world balance is a virtue.

To see what I mean maybe it's easier to apply it to all stakeholders involved.

The nutty guy in the e-mail:
Has an unbalanced view of how personally to take something that an artist provides on the internet. So unbalanced, that loses the ability to realize holy shit, I can make my own forum... which he totally could have but now he's a douche bag in our eyes so... too late?
However, you probably wouldn't want your entire fan base full of the casual office-space-esque robots filled with 'safe' attitudes.
The balance is probably a mature fan who cares about the work, maybe connects with some or all of it personally but then draws a line when it comes to things like 'omfg the rez is my best friend!'

The band, devs, moderators:
Are, in my eyes (biased as they are cause shit, I'm posting here), attempting to create a centralized place for fans to come together. By providing things like the google earth scavenger hunt, these forums, the freakin photoblog itself, its clear they are interested in interfacing with fans directly. But there is obviously the desire to not have fans cross the proverbial line.

Ok, so those two are pretty cliche. I think its most interesting when we view the idea of balance from our own perspective (IE the 'normal people' fans?)

So, us:
This may not be what you expect, but I kind of thing we're out of whack ourselves. Some of the fanboyism in response to the crazy e mail is a bit over the top, don't you think? It's not that I don't agree that wolfy went overboard... but we can't just react to it by saying 'ban the dude and screw the nuts'. I think having a discussion about what creates the over the top attitudes in the first place may be in order.

Anyways, I was kind of afraid this would come across as an unorganized rant but have done my best to keep it short-ish (I write code for a living, so I'm a shitty writer). I hope I didn't offend anyone and I have the utmost respect for what is being attempted with this community. I just think in any society, critical thinking of what creates the things we don't like is pretty important - not only banishment of those things.



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meep posted:

teelime posted:

How? He didn't respond at all to what Wolfy said. All Trent did was repost an e-mail Wolfy sent him. I don't want to start shit with you Meep, but you keep posting this asinine shit about how much you hate Wolfy, and all it's proving is that you're still hung up on a few insults he slung at you in the blog.
Stop trying to pit people against him. It's reprehensible enough that Trent posted a personal e-mail from Wolfy with Wolfy's address still attached to it so that his grovelling fans can do his dirty work for him. You don't need to try to coerce people to gang up on him just because he may have hurt your feelings.

This message is for both you AND trent: Fight your own fucking battles.

I find it humorous that this is how Trent responded to his email. I'm not the only one on this forum that is bashing him. I never said the word hate about Wolfy. You don't think that was an asinine email he sent to Trent? It sounds like you are more hung up on Wolfy than I am. Please read other posts! Don't forget to email Wolfy!

no, i don't think the e-mail he sent was asinine. i think it was passionate, and while may have gone overboard in his attacks, was otherwise driven by the desire to restore a community that i was a part of. a community, must i remind you, that you were a part of also. i'm honored that wolfy went to bat for us. i'm not hung up on wolfy, and the only reason that i'm continually posting in this thread is because everyone is attacking him when his intentions were initially good, and he's not here to defend himself. Trent fucking put him up for the slaughter, and that's exactly what all of these bloodthirsty fanboys and girls eager to please Trent, are doing.
did you ever consider how many NICE e-mails Trent probably received from people like me and maybe even Wolfy before he finally got angry and sent this one? All the rest got thrown by the wayside, leaving this one standing alone.

JUST SAYIN'.

teelime posted:

no, i don't think the e-mail he sent was asinine. i think it was passionate, and while may have gone overboard in his attacks, was otherwise driven by the desire to restore a community that i was a part of. a community, must i remind you, that you were a part of also. i'm honored that wolfy went to bat for us. i'm not hung up on wolfy, and the only reason that i'm continually posting in this thread is because everyone is attacking him when his intentions were initially good, and he's not here to defend himself. Trent fucking put him up for the slaughter, and that's exactly what all of these bloodthirsty fanboys and girls eager to please Trent, are doing.
did you ever consider how many NICE e-mails Trent probably received from people like me and maybe even Wolfy before he finally got angry and sent this one? All the rest got thrown by the wayside, leaving this one standing alone.

JUST SAYIN'.

You make no sense.

You're funny Snarkypuss!

leo3375 posted:

And for the record, public personal attacks against the NIN camp will result in an instant BLAMMO!!!™ on your forum access. If anyone receives a personal attack via PM, please forward it to a mod/admin and we'll take the appropriate action on it.

-bats eyelashes-

you're not talkin about little 'ol me, are you mr. moderator?

-smiles sweetly-

If you're still posting, I'm guessing you've not been BLAMMOed.

So that'd be a no then.

Edit: Yay! Big tick and a gold star for me.



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trent_reznor posted:

godforsaken hellhole of a fucking shitastic excuse

I am SO using this phrase - I don't know where or how but I'm going to use it. It's one of the funniest things I've ever read.

just a suggestion. if anyone from the blog didn't manage to exchange details, go to the archives, find your pal, click on their profile, email them if their account allows it. if not, seek them out here and ditto. doesn't work with anons, but there you go.

I am pretty pissed off by the fact that I really was going to send Trent an e-mail yesterday... Now I can't because of some random person who can't deal with life's difficulties. Not everything needs to revolve around you, Wolfy, I am sorry to have to say that. Why didn't you wait to see if the girls you flirted with at the blog were going to start posting here??? I mean, c'mon, do you have to ruin it for everyone??? Really???

Anyhow, Trent, I would like to be able to directly write you an e-mail without any drama like this one. Most of your fans are still good, regular citizens who work for a living and are so thankful to you and all that you do for them. I am very thankful to you!! And, by the way, THANK YOU FOR THE FORUMS: they are pretty sweet in my perspective of things.

Clarice

meep posted:

Surrylda posted:

Theres another thread to stick up for him in?

No. You need to start one.

Catty much?

Chill.

Someone give wolfie some fluoxetine...



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leo3375 posted:

It seems like the bigger issue that Trent was trying to bring to our attention wasn't the Blogger being discontinued but personally attacking someone via e-mail. He's had it with all the hate mail people were sending him at the address posted in his profile and decided to remove it.

You know the old saying "It takes a few to ruin it for everyone?" Well, it's true.

And for the record, public personal attacks against the NIN camp will result in an instant BLAMMO!!!™ on your forum access. If anyone receives a personal attack via PM, please forward it to a mod/admin and we'll take the appropriate action on it.

Agreed, which is really a sad thing for the fans that would just like to tell Trent how much he is appreciated...

clarice posted:

…tell Trent how much he is appreciated...

*hem-hem*
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Would a sing-along help calm the tension?

ok..........enough from me about wolfy. i'm moving on.