TR thoughts on ticket re-sellers / scalping

TR thoughts on ticket re-sellers / scalping

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03/19/09 1:32 PM
Princesspaula member Joined: 04/11/08 Location: Earth%2C by way of Mars. Posts: 606	This might be a little 'petty' but i'm sick of seeing that picture on the front cover page with the guy holding the ticket sign. I wish someone would change that.
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03/19/09 2:10 PM
cheetara25 member Joined: 03/15/09 Posts: 1	Has anybody else received an email from Live Nation about a presale for tickets to this tour? I know they are not the same tickets as those sold through this site, but it seems like they are trying to trick fans. Just thought people should know about it.
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03/19/09 4:39 PM
joesuburb member Joined: 03/16/09 Posts: 13	Thelema posted: joesuburb posted: The pre-sale allowed you to get tickets ahead of others but it won't have any bearing on your entry into the venue or your seats. When did they announce that pre-sales won't get early entrance again? I should clarify, I knew there was going to be a seperate line for pre-sale but I assumed that it would be in effect the same as the other lines which in essence wouldn't allow you to claim a spot in GA any quicker; if they're opening up the nin.com will call line earlier then I suppose anyone entering that line will have an advantage in claiming a spot.
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03/19/09 5:56 PM
justaladd member Joined: 08/23/08 Posts: 1	WOW. guess all I can say is the yuppies win the game and the punks that helped put janes and nin on the map are left out in the cold. If these bands really did care or still had their punk roots, they'd cancel the tour and decide on something else. or push it till the prices came down. I know trent does the best he can for his fans, with free records and access to so much, but this is nuts as far as pricing goes. If the bands won't stick up for the fans during a recession, then I say skip the show. You'll get better audio on the dvd they release of it next year and you'll only pay 20 bucks for it. Concerts used to be great, Lolla 1 was amazing, these two bands can't recreate that today.
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03/19/09 7:34 PM
AriesPink09 member Joined: 03/13/09 Location: Calgary Posts: 3	Thanks for the information, You cleared a lot up.
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03/19/09 7:36 PM
jmb1104.gto member Joined: 09/03/08 Posts: 145	justaladd posted: Concerts used to be great, Lolla 1 was amazing, these two bands can't recreate that today. Of course they can't recreate what happened all those years ago! However for someone like me who has never seen NIN or JA live I'm really excited about it. Also, the ticket price (for two headlining bands no less)is more than fair. How do you think they're able to put music out if they can't make money off the tour!?!? The recording industry did themselves in and now everyone thinks music is either free or .99 cents a song now. So if I'm going to pay the price to see them I want as much of my money as possible to go to them - especially now that Trent is sober - it's not like we're just fueling his self-distruction anymore. He's actually going to continue to create now - with or without the NIN logo. This is the perfect time to support him and see him live.
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03/19/09 7:39 PM
synthesyzed member Joined: 11/27/07 Location: Ocala FL Posts: 42	$100 to see Janes and NINis totaly worth it. The only thing that I will regret is not getting to go to more shows due to my son's soccer game. $50 per band and Street Sweeper is like a free bonus. I hope they do another leg so I can go a couple more times.
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03/19/09 7:40 PM
synthesyzed member Joined: 11/27/07 Location: Ocala FL Posts: 42	By the way this is my 7th show and they are only getting better
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03/19/09 7:41 PM
hopeforme31 member Joined: 09/08/08 Location: Area 51 Posts: 140	justaladd posted: WOW. guess all I can say is the yuppies win the game and the punks that helped put janes and nin on the map are left out in the cold. If these bands really did care or still had their punk roots, they'd cancel the tour and decide on something else. or push it till the prices came down. I know trent does the best he can for his fans, with free records and access to so much, but this is nuts as far as pricing goes. If the bands won't stick up for the fans during a recession, then I say skip the show. You'll get better audio on the dvd they release of it next year and you'll only pay 20 bucks for it. Concerts used to be great, Lolla 1 was amazing, these two bands can't recreate that today. Well, I agree with you, and disagree with you. LITS was AWESOME!! So, even though the tours of old were much cheaper and kick ass, there are still great shows that these guys have put on, and they could/should put on great shows for many years to come. And for the price, it was well worth it. However, I totally agree about the fact that with the price of tickets so high, the economy in the toilet, and NIN and JA having to sell through Ticketmaster, creating more headaches for the fan's then, yeah, why not cancel the tour and do something else? The problem is that it takes a lot of time, planning, money, organizing, etc. to put on a tour, no matter what kind it is...and we all know that TR and Co. are tired... they probably want to do the shows and get it done, and go home...and I don't blame them... TR could cancel the tour with the havoc this seems to be creating, but he wants to do this tour for the fans...as he has already told us, this is "the last tour for the foreseeable future". I still think that it sucks that TR feels like he has to apologize for what he doesn't have much control over, and we are lucky that he does get to offer pre-sales...even if they do sell out almost instantly... I was lucky enough to get pre-sale for the LITS Seattle show, and it was amazing.. I could probably die happy having seen that tour. Though, I am lucky and will get to see them as Sasquatch this year, wish it was an actual NIN/JA show, but, I will take what I can get if this is it.
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03/19/09 8:29 PM
synthesyzed member Joined: 11/27/07 Location: Ocala FL Posts: 42	The reality is everything that you are all getting for "free" (this page included) cost money. Why are you all taking all the freebees and then bitching when you have to pay for a concert. Touring is the ONLY way that they make money, pay the bills. Even TR and Perry have cable bills and I heard they even have to BUY food from time to time. If you cant afford to go, dont go. Get a better job, whatever. Music is not a NON-Profit organization. Its NIN not the MDA. Why would they go on tour, come home broke, get jobs at Wal-Mart and then bitch because they couldnt afford to go see Miley Cyrus.
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03/19/09 8:58 PM
Zombie_Unabridged member Joined: 12/26/08 Posts: 5	Fragile_Shadow posted: Lordie. This mess has tentacles. Ha ha, fo' sho'...Thanks for clarifying it, though. You know...I can promise you that you'll never have to worry about tickets again, if you run away and join my Traveling Show! (Well, I will have one soon.) Life will almost be the same in a way except that you and I could be all coo' and stuff...and you'll probably become dirt poor. (Nah, Don't do it, the offers not worth it because you're much too good for it!) Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/19/2009 09:16PM by Zombie_Unabridged.
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03/19/09 10:12 PM
X5GEE member Adrift And At Peace Joined: 04/23/08 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 126	Some idiot trying to sell 2 GA tickets for $4,000!! Yeah right!!! http://cgi.ebay.com/Nine-Inch-Nails-Janes-Addiction-PIT-tickets-6-5-09_W0QQitemZ330315375496QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Tickets_all_in_one?hash=item330315375496&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2%7C65%3A16%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318
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03/19/09 10:14 PM
JuSaNOthRGurL member Noli me tangere -smile- Joined: 09/04/08 Location: As Close As You Think Posts: 555	TicketMaster $1Billion Q4 Loss
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03/19/09 9:36 PM
nadaiv member Joined: 04/11/08 Posts: 1	in my opinion, a true fan--who misses a pre-sale or a pre-sale sells out, or who doesn't get tickets because the show sells out--just won't dish out shitloads of money to a scalper to see their favorite band. thanks for filling us in, trent. maybe i'll ride along the chicago lakefront and try to hear whay i can if i don't get tickets tomorrow. wish you were playing UIC like you've done in the past. thanks for everything.
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03/20/09 2:29 AM
dori_doreau member pastafari Joined: 11/25/07 Location: berlin - germany Posts: 2,206	synthesyzed posted: The reality is everything that you are all getting for "free" (this page included) cost money. Why are you all taking all the freebees and then bitching when you have to pay for a concert. Touring is the ONLY way that they make money, pay the bills. Even TR and Perry have cable bills and I heard they even have to BUY food from time to time. If you cant afford to go, dont go. Get a better job, whatever. Music is not a NON-Profit organization. someone frame this and hang it on top of every page!
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03/20/09 3:01 AM
Morvenna member god called in sick Joined: 09/06/08 Location: the edge of the world Posts: 252	First I want to say that I completely back Trent. Touts are the scum of the earth and 'ticket agencies' (and I know there are plenty of them) are the worst, but then I'm also furious because instead of giving us a chance to buy tickets for a normal priced gig to see NIN, we have to buy tickets for events that sold out long before NIN announced their "european tour" T sold out in about 30 mins, a day ticket is now going for about £150, twice face value, which is way more than the normal £20ish ticket price for a single gig. It's extremely unfair asking UK fans to fork out over £160 (Sonisphere, T etc), plus the extra transport fees that it takes to get to these places, and the only way we're going to get tickets is from touts. I know we're all strapped for cash, including NIN. I know touring is expensive, that it costs a shed load to bring over lighting and equipment, but I'd be happy to see NIN in a shed with nae effects if it was a gig for NIN fans and I think the UK fans are losing out. Sorry, rant over.
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03/20/09 7:19 AM
janedoepa member Chief Spazz & Lid Flipper Joined: 11/27/07 Posts: 3,030	Just a little blurb for Trent & Co... Listening to local radio this morning (WMGK) They are playing old interviews with John DeBella and one of them is with the Allman Brothers. Now before you start laughing .. They were talking about this very subject, and the shows coming up at the Beacon Theater, which they do in New York every year. They HATE Ticketmaster. Apparently what REALLY fueled it for them was the fact that they put tickets on sale and within an hour they are on EBAY going for THOUSANDS of dollars. It makes them "furious". They too have done and are doing the "special fan presales" and if "anything funny happens" they shut it down immediately or pull the tickets. They have tried to fight it like Metallica and others etc and realize they can't it's just too big. They also are doing Benefit Auctions for front row seats. Some thing else they're doing that is interesting, is that they are offering (for a fixed fee) all of their concerts "on demand". You pay a one time fee (during the concert series ($125.00) and you can see all of their concerts in the privacy of your own home, as many times as you want, over a 6 month period. Not only current concerts but also archived footage. These current concerts are then going to be archived as well for future access. As they put it, "this way you can get all your friends together in your own home, pour beer all over each other and REALLY enjoy the concert going experience" (Or something to that effect - I tried to find the interveiw online but could not so) For all I know you've already considered this but I thought I'd post it anyway. Either way, thanks for giving a shit and for knowing your fans well enough to know that we have HALF A BRAIN to "get" what you're saying. Especially where this stuff is concerned.
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03/20/09 8:19 AM
vikktorlv member Joined: 09/30/08 Posts: 1	I am thankful for Mr. Reznor giving us the breakdown. I have had issue with Ticketmaster for years and thier practices of being sold out even when you are the first person online when they go one sale. As for the Presale from NIN.com I have been a NIN fan for 20 years now. I am and have been a Spiral member for years now, but somehow I have NEVER been able to buy presale tickets. I have been forced to sit in the back of many shows in many different venues because I don't support the ticket scalpers. I really thought this time I might get to buy presale tickets, but even when I got on a little before the designated time I still lost out. Is there anyway for you to try to get more then 10% on your next tour? Or do some shows where you control all of the tickets?
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03/20/09 8:55 AM
crashsite68 member Joined: 05/07/08 Posts: 1	I totally missed the nin.com presale. I ended up getting them through Live Nation, which sent me to ticketbastard. Ticketbastard sucks. Seriously... 2 tickets - $29 in extra fees??? the tickets were $33 They've doubled the price. Someone please shoot them! I would have preferred giving that money to Trent as opposed to those greedy bastards. Trent, if you read this... is there any legitimate reason for all those extra charges? I can see the $3 facility charge for cleanup, but $9 each to ticketmaster and a $4.50 online ticket purchase fee???
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03/20/09 9:22 AM
prarthana member Joined: 03/19/09 Posts: 1	There has to be a way to permanently stop these parasites!! Everytime I have to go to a concert and can't get a best seat I think about how to end the ticketmaster's monopoly. It's sad to see how these companies are letting the scalpers suck on the artists and public's money. They'll be sucking mine this summer too for sure...Why can't they just print the names on the tix?
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03/20/09 9:29 AM
kopns member Joined: 09/12/08 Location: fort worth%2C tx Posts: 47	Visually, I doubt any show compares to a NIN show. Last year's show was nothing short of phenomenal. I would love nothing more than to see this current tour, but I can't afford it. I do agree that the ticket prices are fair. However, I would have to drive 3 hours to Austin on a Tuesday. To truly enjoy the trip, I'd want to stay the night as well; causing me to miss a day of work. In the end it would wind up costing me wayyy more than I can scrape together. I haven't missed a show in years. It really... well... blows. Hope there is a second leg to this tour with a Dallas date.
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03/20/09 10:53 AM
DJLizz member Joined: 03/20/09 Location: NearHome Posts: 5	Perhaps the time has come for the artists to ban together on this and either purchase the existing venues or construct new ones themselves and completely cut out the middle guys altogether. The situation is out of control already. I would see many more shows in a years time and probably spend more money if each show was affordable instead of breaking the bank for a single concert. Tis the GREED in this modern world we live that will ultimately become the downfall of the beauty we find between the lines of life each day! Much love Trent ~ Rock on.... Lizz
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03/20/09 11:26 AM
maryelle member THAT is a big-ass lens-TR Joined: 05/07/08 Location: Atlanta Posts: 1,147	crashsite68 posted: Ticketbastard sucks. Seriously... 2 tickets - $29 in extra fees??? the tickets were $33 They've doubled the price. Someone please shoot them! I would have preferred giving that money to Trent as opposed to those greedy bastards. Trent, if you read this... is there any legitimate reason for all those extra charges? I can see the $3 facility charge for cleanup, but $9 each to ticketmaster and a $4.50 online ticket purchase fee??? If you bought presale, you would have paid the extra fees too. A $99 ticket was $112.75 total. That is slightly below what TM appears to be charging. They could always have called the tickets "$112.75 and NO FEES!" But it works out the same. Same with TM. Just look at the total since there's no way to get out of the fees no matter where you buy from.
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03/20/09 11:33 AM
benwatusi member Joined: 03/20/09 Posts: 1	Thanks for the perspective, but why weren't there any great seats available for Presale through your site for the Shoreline show (May 22?). Here's what my buddy, in charge of getting us seats, wrote: "I went on the fansite exactly when they went off on Tuesday at 4pm... The first tier seats were never available to me. Best I saw then was sec 101 M at the 2nd tier price." We may have an inflated sense of what constitutes a great seat. 13th row on the side could be called great, I guess.
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03/20/09 7:51 PM
DATmafia member Joined: 11/27/07 Location: Chicago is soo boring Posts: 4	Even AFTER reading this post I got sucked in to a ticketsnow.com ticket. In my excitement to get a ticket I kinda forgot what I had read until it was too late. Yes, I'm pissed at paying 60% MORE than face value for a GA ticket. I only have myself to blame but I do feel that since livenation.com was unavailable at the time it was a decent purchase because I'll be damned to miss this tour. -DATmafia Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/21/2009 02:40AM by DATmafia.
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03/21/09 12:37 AM
lilsrah member Joined: 11/27/08 Location: Virginia Posts: 43	janedoepa posted: Some thing else they're doing that is interesting, is that they are offering (for a fixed fee) all of their concerts "on demand". You pay a one time fee (during the concert series ($125.00) and you can see all of their concerts in the privacy of your own home, as many times as you want, over a 6 month period. Not only current concerts but also archived footage. These current concerts are then going to be archived as well for future access. As they put it, "this way you can get all your friends together in your own home, pour beer all over each other and REALLY enjoy the concert going experience" (Or something to that effect - I tried to find the interveiw online but could not so) That's an awesome idea! Not nearly as good as seeing them live, of course, but the next best thing for those who can't make it for whatever reason....
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03/21/09 9:41 AM
hayek member Joined: 03/21/09 Posts: 1	"For example, there are some people who would be willing to pay $1,000 and up to be in the best seats for various shows, but MOST acts in the rock / pop world don't want to come off as greedy pricks asking that much, even though the market says its value is that high." I'd prefer if we were all honest and some tickets really are sold for $1,000 on the primary market (like first-class seats on a plane). You should get the money that the market says you are worth, and use it to go make more good music and tour more. I don't think anyone is a "greedy prick" for selling something for what the market will pay. The enhanced revenue will also bring new artists onto the scene (hope that is OK with Trent!) Of course I doubt every ticket in any concert would sell for $1,000. The scalpers are probably doing their best jobs to price discriminate today, so the mix of current ticket prices is likely going to reflect the pricing in a "truly honest" primary sale where the best seats would go for $1,000, but plenty of other seats would go for $100 and less. It should also be noted that brokers are removing the risk from the venues by buying up large blocks of tickets for resale. Venues have long-term, debt-funded assets and are not well suited to the day-to-day risk of a concert not selling out. A venue-ticketer rollup like LiveNation can mix the risks. Or the artist could choose to share in the risk that ticket primary sales at auction would provide them more money than a situation where brokers buy up large blocks of primary tickets for resale. It should also be noted that it appears from reading Ticketmaster SEC reports that they pay 60% of those "fees" back to venues for their lock-in, again reducing venue risk. Why concert ticket sales are any different than airplane ticket sales is crazy.
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03/21/09 10:59 AM
shallowlilbitch member This goes on and on Joined: 11/30/07 Posts: 41	JessicaSarahS posted: shallowlilbitch posted: Just wondering what happens if you are not one of the few that get the 10% pre-sale tickets? You are then forced to buy an overpriced ticket? You look around on the forums for people that are selling their tickets for face value (sometimes lower) because someone decided to ditch them close to the show or other plans fall through. It happens a lot!! I've gone to shows and either I or a few people in our friend group have had extra tickets and had to eat that cost. It is cutting it close, usually a week or two before the show, but they're out there and available. Good Point! Cheers to fans helping each other out!
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03/22/09 1:25 AM
CherryBlossoms member Joined: 03/22/09 Posts: 1	bryantodd posted: FUCK scalpers. DO NOT buy from these greedy pricks BTW On a positive note: There are many fans in here that will and have sold their extra tickets for FACE value. To tell you the truth if they are a true fan to NiN then they probably won't do that. I know there are some idiots out there that only think of money and all because of our Economic situation but I think that if you are loyal enough then it's worth not selling your ticket to some other moron who might not even appreciate the value of the Musical experiance that comes from watching a NiN concert. I've been a fan of Trent's since Pigface. and BTW then those "fans" are the same as the scalpers. Humans are greedy.
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03/22/09 3:51 AM
dori_doreau member pastafari Joined: 11/25/07 Location: berlin - germany Posts: 2,206	CherryBlossoms posted: bryantodd posted: FUCK scalpers. DO NOT buy from these greedy pricks BTW On a positive note: There are many fans in here that will and have sold their extra tickets for FACE value. To tell you the truth if they are a true fan to NiN then they probably won't do that. I know there are some idiots out there that only think of money and all because of our Economic situation but I think that if you are loyal enough then it's worth not selling your ticket to some other moron who might not even appreciate the value of the Musical experiance that comes from watching a NiN concert. I've been a fan of Trent's since Pigface. and BTW then those "fans" are the same as the scalpers. Humans are greedy. yeah, true fans burn their spare ticket if someone can't attend a show with them as planned. and true fans are so loyal, they refuse to help other fans who are looking for tickets to sold out shows. best would be to burn spare tickets in front of those losers, eh?
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