I'm kinda scared. mainly because this will be my first time buying tickets. AHHHHH!!
and yes this will be my first and possibly (Hopefully not) last Nine Inch Nails concert. I'm gonna miss math class for this so wish me luck ya'll

NIN<3
por vida

When the tour was announced I was 100% in for multiple shows. Now hearing about the ridiculous prices I might end up at 1 show instead of my usual 4 to 5 during a tour. I have seen NIN around 25x times. Thats because the tickets were very reasonable. For me at least.
Live Nation/Ticketmaster are idiots for charging so much $$ for certain tickets, especially in this crappy economy. And why are we in a recession? GREED is your answer. And if this continues through out the future, GREED is going to really hurt live concerts.



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PRESIDENT REZNOR OF THE PLANET EARTH!!! ALL HAIL OUR MIGHTY LEADER!!!

Jeez, After reading this thread I feel all jittery and excited. Damn you guys!!! I'm going for it. I have no money. My car is shit. Credit is crap. WOOT!

PRESALE! HERE I COME!!!!! *swan dive*



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Here's the deal i read what tr had to say and i did skip over all the posts from you guys but what i am gathering from his article is if ya don't get a presale ticket from nin.com then don't go at all or you will be adding to the problem by buying from secondary sellers?or do we buy from the venue that day.Just a tad bit confused

Thank you, Mr. Reznor, for the heads up, and for doing the right thing! Too many people are motivated solely by their own desires, especially for money...you, however, have proven that you're not one of them by such actions as these, as well as making available the awesome blessing of this site and giving us The Slip free of charge!
It is disheartening to see and hear of the prevalence of greed in today's society, and horrifying to consider all the things people are willing to do to make money. It is not new or surprising, unfortunately...nearly 2000 years ago, the apostle Paul wrote to his student Timothy: "But those purposing to be rich fall into temptation, and a snare, and many foolish and hurtful lusts, which plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all evils..." (II Timothy 6:9-10)
Thank you once again, Mr. Reznor, for standing against the tide of corruption and greed.
May God bless you for your courage and commitment, your faithfulness to your fans and to your own heart, and may He watch over you always and protect you from evil. Amen.

Thank you Trent for actually being honest with us and taking the time to explain the whole scenario. We appreciate that.



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Hmmm. I know I'm distinctly in the minority on this thread, but...first of all, what Trent wrote was part explanation, and part opinion. Try not to let the stars in your eyes blind you. Anyway...

The Ticketmaster/LiveNation merger should never happen. It would create a monopoly, no question, and violate antitrust laws. The political winds have shifted. The deck is stacked against the merger. Ticketmaster and LiveNation are scalpers as much as the guys in the venue parking lots. Convenience fees, inflated S/H, taxes, surcharges, and the face value often doubles. StubHub and TicketsNow are gigantic global scalping operations. Big and small, they all scratch each others' backs.

All this stuff is wrong, so I agree with Trent's position that far. But then we get to the very murky grey area of where the responsibility lies, who has the most power to control the outcome, how to get the greatest number of premium tickets into the hands of fans, and how to thwart the worst of the exploitation and greed.

It's disappointing and irksome to me that Trent is placing the burden of stopping scalpers (and apparently the responsibility for their existence) squarely on the backs of consumers (us). I disagree with his POV that by not patronizing resellers we can put them out of business. If anyone has the balance of power in their favor for getting that done, it's the artists. Just re-read this excerpt from Trent's post:

"The venue, the promoter, the ticketing agency and often the artist camp (artist, management and agent) take tickets from the pool of available seats and feed them directly to the re-seller (which from this point on will be referred to by their true name: SCALPER). I am not saying every one of the above entities all do this, nor am I saying they do it for all shows but this is a very common practice that happens more often than not. There is money to be made and they feel they should participate in it. There are a number of scams they employ to pull this off which is beyond the scope of this note."

Not really. Comps account for the majority of empty premium seats at shows and other events. The hotter the show, the more comps are doled out to people who don't give a crap about being there, and the more empty seats you'll see in the pit and orchestra sections. Ticketmaster and LiveNation release their unsold, unclaimed will-call, and returned stock the day of the show. If it's a "sold out" show, there are people waiting at the ticket windows, ready to buy whatever becomes available. Large resellers have arrangements with venues for face value refunds of their unsold stock. Most of the parking lot scalpers work for smaller reseller operations. Nobody really loses any money, at least not enough to make a dent in the bottom line.

I go to two or three live shows a year. It's my only luxury. I've been saving since the With Teeth tour to be able to get tickets for this tour. I get my ticket(s) through whatever means is most available (can't do presale this time and no one to pinch hit at the computer for me). I've bought from local resellers a few times and probably will this time, too. I wouldn't give a dime to StubHub or TicketsNow if they had the last tickets on earth, but IMO, there is a world of difference between huge global scalping operations and smalltimers like the guys I have bought from.

I'm looking forward to a creative battle plan from the creative artists, and a realistic way we concertgoers can move it along.



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There should be some sort of option for people desperate to get into sold-out shows that is better then scalpers.

I don't agree with Trent at all on this issue. Why should the tickets not for for the market value? If someone is willing to pay $1000 for a ticket in the front row, why shouldn't they? Front row seats are a scarce resource, and it should be the market that determines the price for them.

It seems that Trent's argument is that "true" fans won't get a shot at the best seats because of the high price, but why does he think it would be any fairer to sell them to a lucky few at a cheaper price? Scores of fans will still get left out. At least when the tickets are priced at the true market price ( when they are sold and resold for whatever price someone is willing to pay) anyone has a shot if they are willing to work the hardest to get those tickets, even at a higher cost.

etherealstill posted:

I don't agree with Trent at all on this issue. Why should the tickets not for for the market value? If someone is willing to pay $1000 for a ticket in the front row, why shouldn't they? Front row seats are a scarce resource, and it should be the market that determines the price for them.

Kidneys are a scarce resource too, but it's still wrong to sell them for what they're worth. And if the Market had it's way, we'd all be working in factories for pennies a day with the doors chained shut. Sometimes capitalism does need to be reigned in if the little guy is going to be protected.

It's about who Trent WANTS in those front row premium seats. Those are the people he'll most immediately looking at and responding to for the entire show. And maybe, just maybe, that's not a connection he wants to belong exclusively to his very richest fans.

etherealstill posted:

dreamerm posted:

It's about who Trent WANTS in those front row premium seats. Those are the people he'll most immediately looking at and responding to for the entire show. And maybe, just maybe, that's not a connection he wants to belong exclusively to his very richest fans.

If you're comfortable with an @#$%& few controlling the scarce resources in the name of 'fairness', and telling you that you can't sell your ticket and make money off of it when that @#$%& few can, then I guess Trent's solution makes pretty good sense.

And when did e-l-i-t-e because a curseword? Am I posting this in China?

First of all, I personally don't think Trent should have to explain the *Actual* pricing of this show. For the scalpers- yes, thanks for clarifying why someone can ask for $1100 for a pit ticket to Las Vegas. But for this tour, with more than one headliner, I don't think it is unreasonable in the current marketplace for one reason NOBODY PAYS FOR THE MUSIC
He's a musician- people love his work, and he's insane/gracious enough to GIVE us free music...And people take it feeling like they *deserve* it, they shouldn't *have* to pay for it. Where are musicians supposed to make their money? I fully expected to pay more whether there was an additional headliner or not for this reason. How would you like it if in the next few years it was decided what you make/do for a living was suddenly deemed practically worthless in the marketplace? You'd look at other ways to bring in money. Trent is an exception to just about every rule so far, and has gone above and beyond what is actually sane to please his fans. I DONT make a lot of money, so yes the ticket price does hurt, but I am more than happy to fork over money to keep Trent in business.....and if you've ever been to a NIN show you KNOW you will get EVERY penny's worth of incredible entertainment....happy memories, happy memories......

Sorry about the long post/rant...insomnia! Damn you!!!!

darksideshmarkside posted:

dreamerm posted:

It's about who Trent WANTS in those front row premium seats. Those are the people he'll most immediately looking at and responding to for the entire show. And maybe, just maybe, that's not a connection he wants to belong exclusively to his very richest fans.

You can determine the net worth of someone by where they sit in a concert venue? That is truly amazing.

Not only am I NOT rich, but if you read my last post here, I've been saving since summer of 2006 to be able to afford tickets for this tour. Little by little, a few dollars at a time, I set aside enough to go to two or three shows. Looks like it'll only be two - last September at the Forum, and Shoreline in May - since I'll most likely buy my Shoreline ticket from a small local reseller whose prices are a lot lower than the likes of Stubhub and TicketsNow.

I read your first response, and I certainly agree that you should have the right to buy or sell your ticket from anyone you want, and for whatever price you're willing to pay/sell it for.

However, I also feel that large ticket vendors should also have this right. If there is an anti-trust violation in effect, then it should be dealt with in court. It's neither the artists or consumers responsibility nor right to tell others how they may buy or sell goods.

Hey xcore...you should take another look at the tour schedule.

They just added two festival dates in Deutschland.