damienxaros posted:

I could not have said it better myself. You are absolutely right...Trent has done so much for you people...now do something for him and stop complaining.I promise...if a "silent poll" were taken the decision for JA to close would not come out on top, no matter what everyone on here says.

jayetheartist posted:

I only scrolled through to read TR's posts (because it amuses me to no end to see him throw down on the innumerable idiots around here), but just for the hell of it I'm going to make a guess as to the content of the last 18 pages:

~70 angsty posts from people who feel personally wronged by the set times
~70 replies to those people, telling them to shut the fuck up and stop being idiots
~70 replies to those replies, most of which are the equivalent of: "No, YOU'RE the doodoohead!!"
~50 non-specific posts about how it's disrespectful to be complaining
~30 posts from people sucking up to Trent, most of which are just quotes of his posts with "win" added underneath
~20 requests for certain songs to be included in the setlist for specific shows
~20 off-topic questions
~10 posts directing those people who asked off-topic questions to the proper threads, all of which are pointless since those questions were all posted by newbs who won't actually return to see if their questions were answered because they're probably sitting at home waiting for TR himself to answer them via PM
~5 questions that were already answered in the first several pages of the thread
~5 angry replies berating those posters for not having read the previous pages before posting
~40 "fail" and "facepalm" pics
~20 posts criticizing other posters' grammar or spelling
~50 references to Trent's tweets
~30 posts by moderators reminding everyone to stay on topic and stop flaming
~20 "I can't believe I even came in here to read this stupidity" posts
~5 posts that are completely nonsensical

Am I close?

Mudget posted:

damienxaros posted:

I could not have said it better myself. You are absolutely right...Trent has done so much for you people...now do something for him and stop complaining.I promise...if a "silent poll" were taken the decision for JA to close would not come out on top, no matter what everyone on here says.

That all depends on where you do your "silent poll". Some of you are pretending that the only fans in the world are NIN fans and the only band that matters in the world is NIN. That's just small-mindedness. Everyone I know has been calling this the Jane's Addiction tour from the get-go. Why? Because that's the band my friends and I are obsessed with, just like you're obsessed with NIN. Open your mind.

So why am I here, a Jane's nut amongst a sea of NIN nuts? Because at first I thought we were gonna have a fuckin kumbaya about how mutually excited we were about this tour. I guess I arrived at a bad time.

lisa posted:

jayetheartist posted:

I only scrolled through to read TR's posts (because it amuses me to no end to see him throw down on the innumerable idiots around here), but just for the hell of it I'm going to make a guess as to the content of the last 18 pages:

~70 angsty posts from people who feel personally wronged by the set times
~70 replies to those people, telling them to shut the fuck up and stop being idiots
~70 replies to those replies, most of which are the equivalent of: "No, YOU'RE the doodoohead!!"
~50 non-specific posts about how it's disrespectful to be complaining
~30 posts from people sucking up to Trent, most of which are just quotes of his posts with "win" added underneath
~20 requests for certain songs to be included in the setlist for specific shows
~20 off-topic questions
~10 posts directing those people who asked off-topic questions to the proper threads, all of which are pointless since those questions were all posted by newbs who won't actually return to see if their questions were answered because they're probably sitting at home waiting for TR himself to answer them via PM
~5 questions that were already answered in the first several pages of the thread
~5 angry replies berating those posters for not having read the previous pages before posting
~40 "fail" and "facepalm" pics
~20 posts criticizing other posters' grammar or spelling
~50 references to Trent's tweets
~30 posts by moderators reminding everyone to stay on topic and stop flaming
~20 "I can't believe I even came in here to read this stupidity" posts
~5 posts that are completely nonsensical

Am I close?

I had to re-post this 'cause I think I love you.

orestes posted:

trent_reznor posted:

Use your heads.

That's a tall order for some people.

Digital Virus posted:

Do something for trent? stop complaining? HUh? WHAT? I thought I did something for him when I spent 150 dollars to go to the show, or maybe it will be the 100+ I'll spend on merchandise?

Lick ass little kids. He wasn't being very clear on what the circumstances of this tour were going to be, if i knew beforehand my decisions may have been swayed a different way.

It's not to say I don't have faith in the man and maybe he's holding something back about how this is going to play out. We'll see though wont we? I hope it works out for the best.

trent_reznor posted:

this is an issue of respect and simply WHAT I WANT TO DO because I do have a master plan here. Open up your minds for a second and lay off the knee-jerk reactionary bullshit for a second - it's embarrassing for all of us.

unknown_entity posted:

trent_reznor posted:

this is an issue of respect and simply WHAT I WANT TO DO because I do have a master plan here. Open up your minds for a second and lay off the knee-jerk reactionary bullshit for a second - it's embarrassing for all of us.

Music is not a fucking product. Your arguments suck, SickMessiah.

SickMessiah posted:

I GUESS ILL BE HOPING FOR LIGHTS AND FOR CLOUDINESS IN INDIANAPOLIS ..
JUST NO RAIN DURRING THE SHOW ...

unknown_entity posted:

Just like a thought or a feeling is a product. You're confusing the language. Product of the imagination =/= consumerized product designed for maximum mass consumption for the purpose of profit. Yes, the secondary function of most products of this nature is to aim to provide a genuine benefit to a specific need. Real musical art is not this case. It exists to serve any who participate. We arrive at a time where we have the technology to ensure music is no longer pigeon holed into the consumer product category where in the past that was the only way besides literal live experience of the process to connect the listener to the music.


The goal of most artists, albeit SIMILAR to the mass consumption model of consumerist products, of wanting their work to be heard by as many people as possible, is by no means existent for the purpose of serving practical needs or generating profit.

unknown_entity posted:

SickMessiah posted:

unknown_entity posted:

Just like a thought or a feeling is a product. You're confusing the language. Product of the imagination =/= consumerized product designed for maximum mass consumption for the purpose of profit. Yes, the secondary function of most products of this nature is to aim to provide a genuine benefit to a specific need. Real musical art is not this case. It exists to serve any who participate. We arrive at a time where we have the technology to ensure music is no longer pigeon holed into the consumer product category where in the past that was the only way besides literal live experience of the process to connect the listener to the music.


The goal of most artists, albeit SIMILAR to the mass consumption model of consumerist products, of wanting their work to be heard by as many people as possible, is by no means existent for the purpose of serving practical needs or generating profit.

Trent has bills dude .. he is making profit ... he also has a kick ass studio , and house im sure made from profit ... They do aim to make profit .. I know thats not the main focus for him .. but it is important ... I know his soul is in the music and i relate to alot of it ... I need NIN to quench my soul like i need water to quench my body .. so in that aspect .. Its not easily seen as a product .. But still Even water isnt free .. You either gotta plum it with products .. drink it in or threw products , or packedge it in products ... Me and Trent both love Ice Mountain .... . And even a necessity like water makes profit ..

Yeah, in the end there is some kind of profit or final benefit from having followed what you love doing. We're in agreement here. Let the man set up this tour how he wants for HIS enjoyment. There is no way you can prepare properly for your own act and simultaneously get to watch an act that comes before you. The profit is what fuels the end goal of being capable of continuing to discover new innovations in the art and advance everyone's thinking in the process. Trent said in the digg interview specifically during the part about advice for new artists, about what they should seriously strive for if they want "to change the world" with their work. This is the real root of what musical art is about.