North American NIN/JA tour tentative set times

North American NIN/JA tour tentative set times

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05/10/09 1:58 PM
slowdiver member Joined: 05/10/09 Posts: 4	This is absolutely amazing!!! Wow...does nobody on here remember when Trent was a peon nothing and the mighty Janes Addiction invited them on the first Lollapalooza tour???? Now, granted Trent already had a SMALL DEVOTED fanbase at the time, Lollapalooza was largely responsible for breaking Trent wide open to a huge audience. Trent even said recently that this tour was very special to him and was a great way for him to say thanks to Janes, one of his favorite bands of all time. Now I come on here and find you cocky sons of bitches complaining about Janes and crying and stomping your feet over the fact that NIN is not closing the show. Right. Check the setlist and quit acting like three year olds... Night one: NIN 19 songs Janes 13 Night two: NIN 20 songs Janes 12 I see a patern emerging here and if anybody should be pissed it's me who paid to see Janes, not NIN. I'll DEFINATELY be showing up late for this one.
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05/10/09 2:07 PM
slowdiver member Joined: 05/10/09 Posts: 4	Oh, and by the way, NIN was never supposed to close the show to start with. I'm not even a NIN fan and I knew that. Pull your heads out of your asses much???
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05/10/09 2:20 PM
Mudget member Joined: 03/08/09 Posts: 616	Remember, three of JA's songs are over 7 minutes long. Would like to see a bit more diversity from them, but they've never been known to play long sets. This is one of their longer sets, in fact. So most Jane's fans are pretty exuberant. I'll give you the same advice I was giving some of these NIN diehards - you shouldn't miss either band. They're both rocking people's faces off on this tour. I am hearing more and more NIN fans who were previously either pissed or disappointed that JA was closing saying that their minds have changed after seeing Jane's live. Not that they were closing, necessarily, but that they were glad they didn't leave after all. Glad to see a fellow Jane's-head in here, but not if you're just going to join the chorus of whiners. They have a place for that boohoo bullshit and it's called Xiola.org. Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/10/2009 02:22PM by Mudget.
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05/10/09 2:32 PM
slowdiver member Joined: 05/10/09 Posts: 4	Peace mudget, I'm not trying to be a whiner, just stating the facts as I see them. I just don't have much interest in NIN and I bought the tickets because I figured I better be on the safe side and catch Janes while I had the chance, which is rare. I'll probably catch the last three songs or so by NIN and that will be quite sufficient.
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05/10/09 2:41 PM
idle member Joined: 03/21/09 Location: Malton%2C ON Posts: 205	Glad to have you aboard slowdiver, but just a word of caution. Some of us Jane's fans who have been here for a couple/few weeks now have been trying our best to bridge the gap that some of the NIN fans have been splitting. So while we appreciate the reinforcements lets try not to come on swinging too strong Anyways, whiners aside, all the clips I have seen from the first 2 shows of this tour shows most people enjoying both bands and for the most part getting along.
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05/10/09 3:56 PM
nashstat member Joined: 12/13/08 Posts: 70	Does anyone know what time NIN came on stage? I thought weekend shows were supposed to start at 8:15PM and go on all the way till 9:45p, but when I was following them on NIN Access, it seems they started at 8:00P and played till 9:15PM... Can anyone confirm this?
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05/10/09 4:01 PM
slowdiver member Joined: 05/10/09 Posts: 4	Cool, fair enough. Again, I'm not in here to make enemies, but to put my two cents in the little NIN/JA jar. I realize that this is a NIN forum, not a Janes forum, so I will also remind NIN fans that I have a lot of respect for Trent and NIN. Especially when he steps out on a massive limb to honor a great band like Janes. NIN just don't particularly do anything for me. Perhaps I'm just suggesting that NIN fans should see It the way I believe it was meant to be seen by Trent. I'm sure he would appreciate it. Hell, I just might watch the entire NIN show come to think of it. Now THAT my fellow rockers is fair play. : )
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05/10/09 6:01 PM
monkey_pharmacy member 5000dimensions Joined: 11/25/07 Location: NY State Posts: 286	Welcome! Keep in mind that there is a vocal minority of complainers. I like to believe that any initial shock of long time fans to a non nin headlining tour were subsided quickly, or at least when TR explained why, though he didn't need to. Those complaining don't know JA or their impact on more than nin, as you mentioned. My first show live was nin opening for Bowie, so this feels right. I hope you enjoy the shows, and welcome to the nin boards (please do not feed the trolls. ) slowdiver posted: Peace mudget, I'm not trying to be a whiner, just stating the facts as I see them. I just don't have much interest in NIN and I bought the tickets because I figured I better be on the safe side and catch Janes while I had the chance, which is rare. I'll probably catch the last three songs or so by NIN and that will be quite sufficient.
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05/10/09 6:11 PM
Mudget member Joined: 03/08/09 Posts: 616	slowdiver posted: Peace mudget, I'm not trying to be a whiner, just stating the facts as I see them. No probs man. It's just for a minute there you were sounding like I sounded when I first got here. Was makin me mad at a time I should be all happy. Then I realized it was just like monkey_pharmacy said ... a vocal minority. They can feel/do whatever they want. Including bitch. Got a little embarrassing when TR had to show up and keep schooling them, though. slowdiver posted: Hell, I just might watch the entire NIN show come to think of it. Now THAT my fellow rockers is fair play. : ) I think you could do worse things with your time. (hehe understatement of the year)
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05/10/09 9:43 PM
damienxaros member Joined: 04/17/08 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 71	nashstat posted: Does anyone know what time NIN came on stage? I thought weekend shows were supposed to start at 8:15PM and go on all the way till 9:45p, but when I was following them on NIN Access, it seems they started at 8:00P and played till 9:15PM... Can anyone confirm this? Both "Weekend" shows (Friday WPB and Sat Tampa) SSSC 7-7:30, NIN 7:45-9:15, JA 9:30-11 NIN's setlist has varied every night, JA is the same every night. NIN has limited stage space and limited lighting (basically only white lights and strobe for 90% of the show), JA has full stage and lots of visual effects including screen, lighting, and sequenced light effects. SSSC rocked, NIN was very good, and JA was equally, if not more, entertaining.
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05/10/09 10:37 PM
idle member Joined: 03/21/09 Location: Malton%2C ON Posts: 205	I'm sure most people get it already but the full visual effects, video/projectors, lighting scenes etc is what largely ties a band to a standard set. There is a whole team of techs running the show who need to hit cues and set up for the next scenes. They follow a schedule and rehearse it just like the band would rehearse. If you have too many changes during a tour it creates logistical problems. This is what Trent was trying to avoid this tour. He wanted this tour to be less scripted and more improvised. He wanted to vary is set list greatly and have more control over the direction the show takes. He also wanted to thank Jane's Addiction and show them some appreciation. By giving Jane's the spotlight, the big production it's like the two bands are changing roles. Jane's has always been more low key and improvised. Now it's their turn to have the big flash and splash and it's NIN turn to be the 'underground' act. I think it's a refreshing change for both bands and I think it is the perfect way for NIN to close up shop for awhile. It's called going full circle. I love what Jane's has done with a full set design and the video, lights and dressings that go with it. It's still dirty but now it's dirty in a big way. June 2'nd in Toronto seems farther away then ever now... edited to say that of course this is only my interpretation of it. But I don't think I am too far from the truth. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/10/2009 10:40PM by idle.
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05/10/09 11:24 PM
downercow member Joined: 05/10/09 Posts: 13	I have to say that Jane's was great, everything I wanted them to be. Unfortunately, the will call window at my venue was so poorly run that we basically missed NIN. We had third row seats, bought through the presale, showed up at 6:45 at the will call window, and did not actually walk into the venue until 8:46. The way that this was run was unprecedented in my lifetime, I have been to hundreds of shows and never had the idiotic experience with the ticketing like I did at this show. This was my wife's Mother's Day gift and she wanted to see NIN the most, thanks to the lunacy that I can't begin to fully describe to help you understand better, we listened to most of the set standing at will call waiting for tickets to arrive from the other side of the venue. I put my name on a list at 7:00 and didn't get the tickets I had paid for until 8:45. Do not show up on time for this show if you want to see it - show up very early - 2 hours at minimum, and expect to deal with a chaotic ticketing system where you may end up stuck outside listening to the band you paid hundreds of dollars to see.
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05/11/09 2:08 AM
nashstat member Joined: 12/13/08 Posts: 70	damienxaros posted: [ Both "Weekend" shows (Friday WPB and Sat Tampa) SSSC 7-7:30, NIN 7:45-9:15, JA 9:30-11 NIN's setlist has varied every night, JA is the same every night. NIN has limited stage space and limited lighting (basically only white lights and strobe for 90% of the show), JA has full stage and lots of visual effects including screen, lighting, and sequenced light effects. SSSC rocked, NIN was very good, and JA was equally, if not more, entertaining. Thanks for the info. I'll make sure to get there ahead of time.
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05/11/09 12:43 PM
peacenin member Goo Day I Must Say!! Joined: 11/19/08 Location: Gutterville Posts: 13,864	Went to the Tampa show, here is my take on the NINJA sets and timing. First of all, being NIN's last horrah for a long time(or ever) makes this tour even more special for the die hards. NIN brings it every time ... maybe it was just me, but they seemed to have stepped it up even more from an emotional, fucking rock your heart out, point of view than the usual high standard. TR jumping into the audience and slamming some shit was awesome, unpredictable sets are also a huge plus. I got into every song even more than usual. Maybe not so much with the LITS tour staples(good soldier, discipline, hand that feeds) but for the majority of the set I was waaay into the vibe, music, feel, emotion of the moment. The time of day didn't matter, it could have been 9am for all I care. NIN fucking rocked me to the core ... even deeper this time!! I give cred to Janes and I am a long time fan (admittedly not a die hard). Loved their old school set + vibe + PF was entertaining. They brought me up even after giving my heart + soul to the NIN show. However, it was like being on an acid trip and NIN was the peak of the trip, Janes was the after-the-peak ... still cool, not as intense but still a great time. I'm sure it will probably be visa versa for the Janes folks ... but such is life ... Overall, the whole show really was awesome and a great line up. Looking forward to the CLT show to experience it again. Hope to squeeze in another show somewhere ...
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05/11/09 5:13 PM
moonage_daydream member Joined: 05/11/09 Location: Oxford%2C MI Posts: 1	dhenke posted: What about Chicago? Starting NIN at 7? I see no SS or JA on the bill. Jane's Addiction is headlining Lollapalooza in Chicago in Aug. so I think that's why they aren't there that date.
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05/11/09 5:40 PM
idle member Joined: 03/21/09 Location: Malton%2C ON Posts: 205	Yes, all the acts at Lollapalooza are unable to perform in Chicago a certain amount of time before and after the show. It's called a 'radius clause' and I think in Lolla's case it is 60 days before and 30 days after Lolla bands can't play within 250 miles of Chicago. Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/11/2009 05:45PM by idle.
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05/11/09 9:31 PM
hily member Joined: 04/26/09 Location: Abilene%2C Texas Posts: 6	aymeebot posted: Wheeeee, beyond excited. The order doesn't even matter, they're all going to be amazing, and I feel lucky to be able to go to three shows Love it, me too. SO STOKED.
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05/11/09 9:51 PM
monkey_pharmacy member 5000dimensions Joined: 11/25/07 Location: NY State Posts: 286	idle posted: Yes, all the acts at Lollapalooza are unable to perform in Chicago a certain amount of time before and after the show. It's called a 'radius clause' and I think in Lolla's case it is 60 days before and 30 days after Lolla bands can't play within 250 miles of Chicago. is this true with all festivals? or just lolla? i had no idea that was why it was a nin only show.
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05/11/09 10:39 PM
Pimco member Joined: 11/25/07 Posts: 36	ok there is 35 pages of this, and I cant go through all this.. but does anyone know the setlist times for the concert in Chicago, I want to make sure my flight will make it in time.... thanks
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05/12/09 8:00 AM
peacenin member Goo Day I Must Say!! Joined: 11/19/08 Location: Gutterville Posts: 13,864	^^Chi times. From the man himself... [forum.nin.com] Give yourself plenty of time to get there + pick up tix ... just in case. See Atlanta thread for reasons why. Chi is a show I'd really like to see ...
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05/12/09 8:36 AM
idle member Joined: 03/21/09 Location: Malton%2C ON Posts: 205	monkey_pharmacy posted: idle posted: Yes, all the acts at Lollapalooza are unable to perform in Chicago a certain amount of time before and after the show. It's called a 'radius clause' and I think in Lolla's case it is 60 days before and 30 days after Lolla bands can't play within 250 miles of Chicago. is this true with all festivals? or just lolla? i had no idea that was why it was a nin only show. Most festivals (especially larger ones) do have a radius clause of some sort but they vary. The exception is the 'after parties' which are usually set up by the festival organizers as a way to compensate the clubs for the fact that the festival is draining the talent pool for a couple months. Also the festival might make some exceptions for smaller independent bands.
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05/12/09 5:20 PM
damienxaros member Joined: 04/17/08 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 71	slowdiver posted: Cool, fair enough. Again, I'm not in here to make enemies, but to put my two cents in the little NIN/JA jar. I realize that this is a NIN forum, not a Janes forum, so I will also remind NIN fans that I have a lot of respect for Trent and NIN. Especially when he steps out on a massive limb to honor a great band like Janes. NIN just don't particularly do anything for me. Perhaps I'm just suggesting that NIN fans should see It the way I believe it was meant to be seen by Trent. I'm sure he would appreciate it. Hell, I just might watch the entire NIN show come to think of it. Now THAT my fellow rockers is fair play. : ) Considering what you had posted before and this post: Many of the NIN songs are less then 5 minutes, while most of the Jane's songs are longer. They roughly play the same amount of time. The first night Jane's played longer than NIN and the second night NIN played longer than Jane's...rougly by minutes each time. I honestly didn't care for Jane's much before seeing them...but after reading all of this and paying the money I paid I didn't want to leave early either. Result: Loved Jane's set. Hopefully you will do the same for NIN...and don't forget SSSC...they really rocked...and if you don't care for them it's only 1/2 hour set.
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05/12/09 8:51 PM
idle member Joined: 03/21/09 Location: Malton%2C ON Posts: 205	Am I the only one who actually wants to see bands I don't like live? I mean I wouldn't go and pay money to buy a ticket but I will always watch a band I don't like if they are playing a show that I am at. Reason is simply to have a point of reference. It's one thing to say you don't like this band or that band but it's different when you actually have a live performance to judge them by. You can't be a discerning listener without the listening part!
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05/12/09 9:00 PM
shawndesanto member Joined: 09/06/08 Posts: 1	It was misleading to have the other three bands, including Jane's Addiction, as "support" on the tour info. Closer bands are not headliners! They play at 1:00 a.m. in clubs after everyone else has left AFTER the real headliner plays. This was basically false advertising. Not cool.
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05/13/09 7:21 AM
idle member Joined: 03/21/09 Location: Malton%2C ON Posts: 205	deleted Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/13/2009 07:23AM by idle.
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05/13/09 9:26 AM
tonedef56 member Joined: 05/04/08 Location: franklin square Posts: 15	Junosix posted: First off i've seen NIN 5 times now, and its all the same shit. You are forgetting this is the same man who released a 2-disc instrumental and his new album for free because why? because he's accomplished so much in his life that it doesnt fucking matter at this point what he does. what does matter is that he's be so kind as to tour nonstop the past 4 years. Go try and catch a metallica or pink floyd show. See i dont get this?!!! What do mean it really makes no sense to me. The only time i nearly saw the same stage production was on the with teeth tour that started in late 05 to early 06. Hammerstien ballroom. Jones beach , And madison square garden.. That makes you 15 maybe 16 at the time. The LITS in the sky tour had a totally diffrent stage set and also featured new songs. It probably one of the best stages i have ever seen.. Yes i have seen floyd! Metallica, Tool, Radiohead more times then i i can shake a stick at. Unless your staring at the Pulse DVD the only live acts that will touch NIN visually and sound wise are TOOL.
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05/13/09 12:06 PM
tcrock member Joined: 02/20/09 Posts: 55	I freakin promised myself i wouldn't read review/setlists so as not to riun the surprise element.......i have no will power! Anyways, the reviews read thus far have only served to get me more pumped for the shows..NIN mixing it up every night.....and Jane's rocking the eff out as I had hoped for........can't ask for much more. i might be getting a 2nd show on my itinerary
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05/13/09 12:08 PM
tcrock member Joined: 02/20/09 Posts: 55	oh, and Perry, take it easy on the bad wheel bro.....you're 50 now.......no antics without a good stretching regimen first ya gotta get through the whole tour
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05/13/09 2:03 PM
monkey_pharmacy member 5000dimensions Joined: 11/25/07 Location: NY State Posts: 286	idle posted: monkey_pharmacy posted: idle posted: Yes, all the acts at Lollapalooza are unable to perform in Chicago a certain amount of time before and after the show. It's called a 'radius clause' and I think in Lolla's case it is 60 days before and 30 days after Lolla bands can't play within 250 miles of Chicago. is this true with all festivals? or just lolla? i had no idea that was why it was a nin only show. Most festivals (especially larger ones) do have a radius clause of some sort but they vary. The exception is the 'after parties' which are usually set up by the festival organizers as a way to compensate the clubs for the fact that the festival is draining the talent pool for a couple months. Also the festival might make some exceptions for smaller independent bands. Thanks.
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05/13/09 2:09 PM
monkey_pharmacy member 5000dimensions Joined: 11/25/07 Location: NY State Posts: 286	shawndesanto posted: It was misleading to have the other three bands, including Jane's Addiction, as "support" on the tour info. Closer bands are not headliners! They play at 1:00 a.m. in clubs after everyone else has left AFTER the real headliner plays. This was basically false advertising. Not cool. could you link to where ja is listed as support? plus, you cannot spell ninja without ja. does it really matter who opens the show? nin has plenty of time to tear up the stage, and the lower production values means the setlist can be greatly varied night to night. just enjoy it. i am looking forward to not being able to guess what songs are coming next, and it looks like becoming has replaced closer. double win.
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