The smiley box does pop up...but you have to scroll way down through a bunch of empty background space. It's at the very bottom of the screen.

Hire a couple of 11-year-olds, they'll be able to figure it out. I mean, most hackers lately seem to be in that immediately pre-teen age group.

Okay.. I've read FAR too many "I don't care about ads; bring them on, I don't even notice them" posts. Here's the hate post you've all been waiting for. Hehe.

Indiscriminate (<-key word here) advertising is among the most wretched, nauseating, soul-draining tool of whoredom ever created by capitalist man. If Trent & Co. wants to go down that road, then that's fair enough.. he has ample reason to want to do so. And I'd rather face that bit o' evil than lose the site and all the good that comes from it; I'm with you all there. I would also hope the NIN camp has the integrity to only accept ads from companies and products that they are happy with and/or proud to sponsor. Advertising's not inherently evil; if approached in that manner.

But the amount of apathy towards indiscriminate advertising in general is disgusting. Not our fault, I guess.. most of us grew up immersed in it. Commercials on TV and radio every 5 or 10 minutes (and the same damn ones, at that.. no shame in beating us all over the head), some publications have more ads than actual content; billboards and signs all over that break up beautiful landscape and insist that you pay attention day after week after month after year to something you never cared about on day ONE.. It's all nothing new. I'm surprised our cereal doesn't talk to us. (Oh wait.. Snap Crackle Pop..) Our entire economy is based on indiscriminately and incessantly peddling crap to anyone who'll look, and even to those who won't. Our whole country is Las Vegas, people. And that's just disgusting.

I will say that I'm sure most everyone can accept some ads here for "the better good", (heh.. guess the pigs have won tonight..), but lets not do it with an indifferent shrug, okay? Forget Obama's spending spree; this version of shameless capitalism is what will do us in. If you can't personally guarantee that an item being sold through your site is not some piece of crap, then you have no business helping someone sell it. (Again; I bet Trent will take the high road here and limit ads to those from quality companies.. I sure hope so.) I can't for the life of me figure out why TV/radio stations, magazines, websites, etc. are not held liable in any way for the products/services from third parties that they choose to advertise. If I ask a magazine editor "So, hows that Pretty Paint Machine company I see in your ads? Do they have a reputation for doing good work?" And there answer is "I don't have the foggiest idea," then that magazine editor is nothing but a whore by taking that company's money, without having any idea at all of their background. A whore surrounded by whores, excused by a whoremaster society, of course, but a whore nonetheless. (No offense to whores. I just like that word.)

I'll step down from my soapbox (Tide with Bleach TM) now. Just want to remind you piggies not to be so mentally complacent.



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I would like more women's clothing available please. There are 6 items currently in the women's section of NIN merch. I would definitely buy clothing if there was a larger selection. (I know there's unisex but it just isn't the same!) And just more merch in general would be good.

Love criticism when it comes hand in hand with an idea but editors are responsible for the ads published on their mags not for the products themselves. Let's imagine you see a homophobe Gilette shaving-gel ad on SPIN: blame the editor. That shaving-gel has intoxicated your entire family: blame Gilette. Makes sense?

You cannot take personal criteria out of the equation. People is not that influenced by ads, we have learned to filter most of the crap coming our way and pay attention to stuff we are truly interested in. Otherwise advertising would have remained the same since the nineteen fifties. You mention indiscriminate advertising, and you're right, it's not only nauseating, it is something worse... it is useless! In nin.com you've got a bunch of people that can be interested in similar stuff, same age-range, and so on. And you're still afraid of watching any kind of ad here? That would be a waste of resources. Just wonder if that survey we did back in the day will be helpful now ** though there's enough demographic info on profiles you big brother paranoids! =P **.

BTW: Happy World Telecommunication and Information Society Day!!!



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darksideshmarkside posted:

Trent is almost broke now? Or are current developments just making you figure that it won't be long before whatever he's managed wisely will be accessed for the acquisition of shiny things that satisfy short attention spans?




I'm reserving judgment until I see how far this new almost-scary-corporate kind of stuff goes...

That's business. I bet TR isn't as rich as he thinks he is. The cost of LiTS?

Charge for access, plain and simple as that. I enjoyed the spiral more, eventhough it gave less.

the adds have more nin.....im sold

MsLucy posted:

I would like more women's clothing available please. There are 6 items currently in the women's section of NIN merch. I would definitely buy clothing if there was a larger selection. (I know there's unisex but it just isn't the same!) And just more merch in general would be good.

I second this, we seem to be a fair percentage of the fan base and you'd never know it by looking at the merch selection (goes for other bands to unfortunately).

illfigure posted:

When I read you were engaged to a woman, I thought I finally understood your sexuality. But now that I see ads on nin.com, I have no question who will be taking it up the ass.

Or better yet, fuck the ads, just do Pepsi commercials. That should bring in money. "Get Closer with Pepsi" or "Life without Diet Cherry Vanilla Dr. Pepper is a Terrible Lie" or my personal favorite "Herpecin, you are the perfect drug."

Everybody here knows Trent drinks Coke Zero, asshole.

The accountants have spoken and TR doesn't want to alienate the fans.
Between a rock and a hard place?
Go for it.
Is there any other option?

How about selling shares?

TotallyRandomMan posted:

Indiscriminate (<-key word here) advertising is among the most wretched, nauseating, soul-draining tool of whoredom ever created by capitalist man. If Trent & Co. wants to go down that road, then that's fair enough.. he has ample reason to want to do so.

Holy diatribe, I think most people agree that advertising in general is its' own evil beast. Preaching to the choir. But, I'm just going to say it's one thing to you know rail against the evils of corporations on a blog, another to insert a blog length post here about well, financially supporting the site. Rather than ranting about, well what everyone who doesn't have tivo rants about. A few suggestions would be cool.

Bring on the Coldplay ads!

21niko21 posted:

MsLucy posted:

I would like more women's clothing available please. There are 6 items currently in the women's section of NIN merch. I would definitely buy clothing if there was a larger selection. (I know there's unisex but it just isn't the same!) And just more merch in general would be good.

I second this, we seem to be a fair percentage of the fan base and you'd never know it by looking at the merch selection (goes for other bands to unfortunately).

I also would like more women clothing available. Those guy or unisex shirts dont look to flattering on those of us with boooobies.



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That whole burn rate concept I didn't know about is quite interesting. How long can you keep a service without any income from it? Well, correct me if I'm wrong but Nine Inch Nails main business as of now is music. It's not like I'm starting a web page and forums about campus partying in my town, this site is connected to at least two other activities: records selling and live performances.
An ordinary example, common to most of us: in hotels the café and restaurant are managed as big black holes on a loss scheme, but the owners feel they got to deliver that service to their customers for it has become a standard to keep the main business going (and building this type of community will become a standard eventually for other bands). Some just couldn't manage it anymore and came with this sweet idea: outsourcing it. Placing ads on this forum would be kind of outsourcing: you keep it self-sustainable by letting others somehow take care of it in monetary terms. As in hotels, you can still place the rules and guidelines and everybody should be happy as long as you know who are you partnering with, so picking a flexible ad management agency you share a vision with would be vital if you take it seriosly. I know any analogy wouldn't be correct when talking about internet and music, but as cold as that seems I felt it was correct to illustrate my point. I came with some ideas on previous posts and regretted one other: this meta stuff must be as tough to deal with as it is exciting!



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