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06/09/09 6:32 AM

yes amdbl , i was also thinking about getting the meet and greet in europe, but its gone :/, i hope they update the info about that soon.

 

06/09/09 1:47 PM

For all those who are wondering if the Packages for the rest of the world will be offered again. I sent an email to support@store.nin.com and they told me that they have sold out!

 

06/10/09 7:09 AM

Well I'm glad they put a limit on it! Wonder how big the groups will be?

 

06/11/09 9:20 AM

Juli_Min posted:
For all those who are wondering if the Packages for the rest of the world will be offered again. I sent an email to support@store.nin.com and they told me that they have sold out!

Awww... sad smiley

Well I guess that's my punishment for being late winking smiley
It's too bad, but I'll be happy to just see the show anyway. I've never been to one of their shows, so this is like my one and only chance smiling smiley

I think I'll bring ear plugs... XD

 

06/11/09 11:59 AM

hi. anyone know where they're gonna post the group pictures from the meet & greet?

 

06/11/09 2:24 PM

hah! as if they were listening in...i got the email with a link to the holmdel show group pix!


Holmdel Doners group pics


whooop whoop!

l

 

06/11/09 5:21 PM

Any word on the camden donor group pics???

 

06/12/09 11:03 PM

if trent happens to read this: i am afraid this will end up sounding like that Bitching stuff that you so hate. that is NOT how i mean it. i had the night of my life. getting to meet you and the band was an absolute DREAM COME TRUE for me, and i thank you so much for allowing us this opportunity!
i also know that the whole point was really to help Eric. this was a great way to get people involved, and i admire your philanthropy in this! <3

MERVERNATOR posted:
in Holmdel we were forced to stand BEHIND the lights and not allowed to move anywhere that had a decent opening. dont get me wrong, it was an amazing experience, but being completely behind the set, we couldnt really hear the singing, or a lot of the detail in the music. we were then asked to leave the stage, sent back to our ticketed seats about 4 songs before the show was over. told that was it for us. we were a little confused, and no one seemed to know anything about the rest of our night.

SAME! i was one of the 1000 donors for the Columbia show, and this was my experience as well. i thankfully did get to stand a bit to the side of the lights, but mostly we were behind them. and most of what i could hear was ilan's drumming -- which makes sense, i guess, because we were right near him! (isn't he AWESOME!?!?) but, i couldn't hear very much else. i was taking video of the whole show, and when reviewing the footage i found this was especially evident -- looking for good audio to put over it, because i do love the footage of my unusual experience!

when we were asked to leave the stage, it seems some of us were able to hear the explanation of what was going on, but others -- such as myself -- were not.
this led to problems, as i am about to describe!

MERVERNATOR posted:
You're welcome to hang backstage after NIN's show as well if you'd like, (this is where people started to feel a little cheated. as far as anyone who even looked official was concerned, we could go home once we were taken off the stage. someone finally told us this was because Janes needed to get their stuff ready and couldnt do so with us back there.. (well sorry, but we didnt all pay $1000 so that JA could get their stuff ready!)) or we can find you a spot to enjoy Jane's Addiction. (damn you)

once they tossed us back in to the audience someone with the NIN VIP crew told us we could watch the rest of the show from anywhere we want, however, the security staff there was more than happy to chase us around and force us to go to our ticketed seats. once NIN was done, we went up to the VIP club security manager and asked where we should go. he told us there was nothing more for us but that we could wait in the VIP tent (where we had dinner) to see if anything happens.

ALSO PRETTY MUCH THE SAME! after nin's set was over, i stood with another donor in the place where we were led from backstage, and we were like, "welp, trent said we could go backstage after the show, let's go!" and we were told NO by the security man. "you were escorted offstage", he said curtly. the other donor saw Rob walking by, and we called out to him and he came over to us. we told him what was going on, and he said to the security guy, "these two are ok" (LOL), so we were let back behind the venue. not backstage, but in the outside-part. eventually, some other donors were allowed back to where we were, too.

around this time, i looked at my phone and saw that my fiance (my "and guest" for this) was calling me. he had decided to go back to the pit, where our "seats" were, for the show, but changed his mind and wanted to come back to watch the show with me, while it was still going on, and was told he couldn't come back. he tried 3 times to no avail, having been told by merriweather staff that his pass was "void", and at this point just wanted to find me and go home. i had to verbally guide him to the entrance-to-behind-the-stage where i was, and he was able to come to me. he was pretty frustrated by the whole thing, and asked the security guy if he could talk to someone in charge, thinking that maybe there was some miscommunication between NIN's people and the merriweather staff. he was taken to someone that he was told was the head of NIN security, from whom he tried to get the definitive story on what was going on, because we'd been told conflicting things. the head of NIN security cut him off midsentence, and patted him on the back and said something like "you got your meet & greet, you got your dinner, you got backstage, be happy", and then walked away from him.

my fiance found this man's conduct to be "unbelievably rude and unnecessary, to say the least", especially seeing as we weren't trying to get MORE STUFF, and we WERE happy with what we DID get, we were just either A) trying to get what trent said we would, or failing that, B ) trying to figure out what WAS HAPPENING and why we weren't getting this.

then i decided to meet up with some friends who were at the show, but basically, the whole experience was FUCKING AMAZING... except for the confusion at the end! we made friends with another couple who were also donors, and ended up going out to get food with them when JA was done their set, and they said that they WERE told that once we were led off stage, it was over. they were fine with it. they didn't have any of the confusion to work through, unlike several of the rest of us!

so, this whole long post culminates in one final point -- keeping everyone on the same page is good. telling people beforehand what to expect is also good. i know its maybe a bit late to say so now, but i felt i needed to say something.

 

06/12/09 11:41 PM

Why are people complaining about not hearing much other than the drums on stage? Are you not aware that that is how it is on stage? That is why when friends and family of band members usually are in the crowd..cause you can't hear shit on stage. So I don't get why people even say they are disappointed with that cause that is how it is..I would have thought most people knew that.

 

06/13/09 12:18 AM

Calderon08 posted:
Why are people complaining about not hearing much other than the drums on stage? Are you not aware that that is how it is on stage? That is why when friends and family of band members usually are in the crowd..cause you can't hear shit on stage. So I don't get why people even say they are disappointed with that cause that is how it is..I would have thought most people knew that.

i'd never watched a show from the stage or otherwise been on a stage while music was being played on it, so the thought didn't really occur to me beforehand. it had no reason to, because i'd never been in such a situation!
i wasn't really disappointed by it -- it only makes sense, really! i was just pointing it out, for pointing-it-out's sake. smiling smiley

 

06/13/09 4:56 PM

Calderon08 posted:
Why are people complaining about not hearing much other than the drums on stage? Are you not aware that that is how it is on stage? That is why when friends and family of band members usually are in the crowd..cause you can't hear shit on stage. So I don't get why people even say they are disappointed with that cause that is how it is..I would have thought most people knew that.

a few times I managed to get to the side, where I had seen the people standing the night before and you could hear A LOT more, almost everything. when going over there I had to make it obvious that I was just trying to get some qucik shots for some alternate angle footage, otherwise when people did this, the staff running it usually thought we were going to stay there and chased us back behind the lights.

 

06/15/09 4:10 PM

Disclaimer - if you dont want to read me rant about whiners here, just move along.....heres your chance....

TO EVEYONE THAT FINDS ANYTHING TO COMPLAIN OR "NOT COMPLAIN" (BUT EXPRESS THEIR DISSAPOINMENT ABOUT ANYWAY), REGARDING THEIR NINJA DONATION VIP EXPERIENCE:


I am really surprised at the lack of some common sense people to convey throughout the VIP thing from Trents first mention, to the actualy experience everyone had.

First, for the record,
I was a 1200 dollar donator for Holmdel on 6-6-09 and ended up being onstage right in the center behind the lights for about 3/4ths of the show till escorted out. here was my view of my camera through the openings:
http://i39.tinypic.com/30ndira.jpg

Then we were quickly told to leave and go back into the venue. Which we did, without feeling we were jipped out of anything mentioned or said by Trent.

The whole thing was AMAZING and the people were all AMAZING. There were no big "dissapointing surprizes" or "let downs" or "CONFUSION". All it took was a little common sense, and perhaps lacking a sense of entitlement.

I would think ALL these following points were common sense...but.....

1. The specific details Trent originally mentioned were stated as sort of "ideas" in an unorganized, spur of the moment annoucement and plan. The statements were made obviously under the impression that there may be a handful of people at a show. I mean, just the fact that Trent SAID you may be able to stand by the FOH sound guy implies theres not THAT many people backstage in his view. Cause you cant have many people in such a tight space like that.

Trent was in the MIDDLE of a tour when he came up with this. And within a DAY, he raised some 200,000 dollars. later up to about 850,000. It seems as the days went on and he capped the total amount of people, it seems there was about 300 or so at each show - somewhere like 200 of the $300 dollar ones and 100 or so of the 1000K donors.

Who in their right mind REALLY thinks when you have over 100 people in a WORKING ENVIRONMENT like a show - that cost a LOT of money to put on - that every detail of his original ideas would still be feasible?
how the hell are you going to handle 100 people running around backstage unescorted and however many wanting to hang with the FOH engineer??

I was a recording engineer and only did studio stuff for years - no live sound - so I would have LOVED to have had that spot during the show but once it seemed there were that many people at these shows - I knew it wouldnt be possible. So what?

Anyone paying ANY attention to the VIP info here after the first couple shows could easily see how many people were attending and come to the conclusion that some of the orig. ideas Trent mentioned weren't going to happen. How would they eat dinner with that many people all wanting their attention, not to mention where would they find the time to meet and greet 300 or so people, AND eat dinner with fans, AND do soundcheck? Seriously people, a little common sense should have told you not to hold trent to every single word he said about this thing. He was OBVIOUSLY throwing out ideas anyway, not writing a fucking list of guarantees that would happen every night.

OBviously he had to decide where to cap it at, wanting to raise as much money as possible and still giving a night to remember to the donors. And he DID - donating MUCH of his time EVERY NIGHT, not to mention the bands time, not to mention money out of his own pocket for all the extra food, and likely people hired to HANDLE THE CROWD. Why ANYONE has still been talking about watching with the sound guy, or being backstage all night, or eating dinner with the band......is beyond me.

Why is it some of you feel you needed to be updated about these changes and I didnt?

2. Sound from the stage. Speakers and amps point OUTWARD towards the audience. As far as I can tell, NIN all used in-ear monitors and so there are no speakers on stage playing sound back to them. So yes, from behind the lights, youre just gonna hear drums. From the side of the stage - maybe youll hear some amp stuff and maybe a little from the speakers - but cmon people - does this even need mentioning as one more thing you are dissapointed in?

3. There are over 100 people backstage during NIN. Every stage is different and thats a LOT of people running around during a performance. Thats a TON of liability NIN takes on. The legalities and liability at these shows - union employees and rules everywhere, is probably tremendously risky!! And a show is a working environment with people doing jobs WHILE the band is performing. Its not like everyone just sits around and watches NIN do their thing. Having 100 rabid fans backstage is a legistical nightmare. Then some shows might not have ROOM for 100 people to watch from the side - so they started rotating groups. At the Holmdel show, everyone could be behind the lights so everyone could watch the WHOLE show. I was NOT the first one in and got lucky to have a space where there was openings in the lights.
I cant IMAGINE how worried people back there were of these donors unplugging something, or knocking down lights. There HAD to be order and control over this many fans.
Its too bad many of you couldnt take Trents orig ideas as just that - ideas of a plan in progress. No one should have needed to keep you all updated on all the changes night to night - that itself would have been quite a task. Trent said he was playing it by ear as it was evolving.

4. Did ANYONE NEED a reason to be escorted offstage when we were? Did anyone notice how fast the whole stage had to change after NIN finished. That whole rear lighting rig was GONE in seconds after they finished. People are instantly running around everywhere to meet set times and end of night deadlines. Bands get charged a TON of money for every minute they go past times they are supposed to finish. And when they DID get us offstage - many people tried to stay on and tried to get more photos and such - which is expected. It was a unique experience to all of us. But you just cant go through all that after NIN finishes. Things had to move quickly and people had to be out of the way. Again - I have NEVER been part of a live tour and this stuff is pretty common sense to me.

posted:
after nin's set was over, i stood with another donor in the place where we were led from backstage, and we were like, "welp, trent said we could go backstage after the show, let's go!" and we were told NO by the security man.

seriously?! I am embarrased that you had such a sense of entitlement that you bothered the guards with this. Like you were MISTAKENLY taken off the stage.


posted:
the head of NIN security cut him off midsentence, and patted him on the back and said something like "you got your meet & greet, you got your dinner, you got backstage, be happy", and then walked away from him.

my fiance found this man's conduct to be "unbelievably rude and unnecessary, to say the least", especially seeing as we weren't trying to get MORE STUFF, and we WERE happy with what we DID get, we were just either A) trying to get what trent said we would, or failing that, B ) trying to figure out what WAS HAPPENING and why we weren't getting this.

what exactly was so "unbelievably rude and unnecessary". You try dealing with countless people doing what you did. Im sure youd get a bit impatient too.
Trent never said you would absolutely get all these things - and if he had, how to you propose he allowed 100 people to stand with the soundguy during the show? How exactly do you expect 100 people can just run around backstage during Janes set - when they now have their own VIP thing, and their show and set was way bigger. People are working back there. You are sounding like a 10 year old that doesnt understand common sense and cant be happy with what they DO get out of life.


posted:
so, this whole long post culminates in one final point -- keeping everyone on the same page is good. telling people beforehand what to expect is also good. i know its maybe a bit late to say so now, but i felt i needed to say something.

there was quite enough told to you before hand. If you are not smart enough to have common sense and see when Trent is saying how things MAY go - and then things change - like the unexpected response. I mean, he obviously didnt have plans at the start to have to cap the number of donors at every show....This DIDNT "NEED" to be said. Most people had COMMON sense enough to go to their seats - and feel they got quite enough, and appreciate how MUCH that was from Trent and EVERYONE backstage that took the time and patience to deal with that many people. And we didnt feel the need to bother security guards with our sense of entitlement. There were quite enough people there already bothering them without the donors experiencing so much "confusion" cause they just cant be happy with all that was just given to them.

Do you even know who Eric is?

and again, what exactly was SO RUDE to your precious over-sensitive fiance? You have yet to mention any such thing. I think you guys were the rude ones trying to get backstage again when being told it was done.
What makes you so special to have to hassle everyone like that? What if ALL 100 or so guests/donors tried to get backstage after being told to go back into the audience? Where exactly would they put everyone during Janes?


honestly, people like you at the shows make me appreciate EVERYONE BACKSTAGE even MORE for all they did and the time and patience they took to deal with us all, giving tours, fielding questions, herding the crowd, feeding them....etc etc. This was all something they DIDNT expect when they started the tour.

and really people, does it EVEN need mentioning that you couldnt take the beverages on stage. People are slobs and theres all kinds electronics and lights around you. Does that REALLY need to be compared to Trent saying "bevarages will be provided"?

Just goes to show, give a little......

sorry but its been WEEKS of endless whining about photos, backstage, in and out priveledges, dinner with the band, Trents "word" and "promises", dissapoinment, confusion, blah blah blah.......


Do you people realise you contributed to help possibly directly SAVE AN ACTUAL LIFE?
WHEN will you get that kind of chance again? Not to mention the influence being a part of such an outpouring of charity shows the world about people helping others. And all you can do is whine about your dissapointment.

Eric cant even see a NIN show. He cant do much of ANYTHING. If he gets better, NIN tour will be over. You guys got a show, you got to meet Trent, you got to see the behind the scenes to a big show like this, you got fed, etc etc. who the fuck cares that trent mentioned some detail like being backstage later and it didnt play out?!?!?!




longest post ever......
and let the backlash begin....

 

06/15/09 4:19 PM

Well fucking said.

 

06/15/09 10:21 PM

ditto

 

06/15/09 11:00 PM

powhatan, i read your post and then read again ashbat's... i can easily agree with both. i mean, ashbat just told his story and remarked more than once it was an amazing experience... i don't see why he can't just speak his mind without being treated like a whiner. the common sense you're talking about - powhatan - is clear to me but, as long as you're not bitching or talking shit about someone, i can understand ashbat's will to tell us his story. that's why i bought the $300 vip package here in europe, because i read posts like ashbat's and understood that there's an actual distance between trent's original ideas and the vip experience "backstage". thanks to stories like that i understood i'd never get anything more than a side view of the show and nothing else. you know, i don't want to spend 700 dollars to just eat some pizza with other fans. it's fine for me to help with $300 'cause i precisely know what i'll get: a picture with the band, one thing signed and a soundcheck. that's more than enough to me winking smiley

 

06/16/09 12:19 AM

Its fine to give some clarity of what the experience WAS perhaps as opposed to what it may have originally have sounded like - and thats been done ENDLESSLY without such complaining as well. But theres been REAL negativity all over this thread and others regarding what should be a pretty fucking cool experience - to the point of someone on here claiming if he didnt get his INDIVIDUAL pic with Trent and his girl, that hed reverse his donation charge on the CC THAT NIGHT.

Its about appreciating what you get. "CONFUSION?" I didnt hear ANYTHING that was said when we were suddenly told to leave the stage 3/4ths into NIN's set. But somehow I wasnt caught up in a "whirlwind of confusion" that people backstage needed to rectify. I just fucking GOT IT that the VIP experience was over.

I ask Ashbat and anyone else, Was Trent and Co supposed to be updating ALL the upcoming donors EVERY NIGHT via email/text/phone/ or fucking pony express, WHILE they were doing a show and entertaining that night's donors, just to keep people like Ashbat up to date on the ever evolving PLAN for the evenings - so people were all "on the same page" and knew EXACTLY WHAT TO EXPECT in every detail??

Eric probably appreciates the fuck out of the fact that he WAKES UP every day at this point. This was about him. Someone that doesnt have it nearly as good as all the whiners here. These people donated but seemingly forgot what it was all about as they tried to weasel and bully and cry foul on their way backstage again. To get here and whine about how this played out compared to what impressions people had - which has been stated here ad nauseum, is just disrespectful to Trent, Everyone backstage, and ESPECIALLY ERIC!

for Ashbat and her boyfriend to be bugging them to let them backstage again after being told to leave is just embarrassing. What if EVERY donor felt that entitled. Theyd have a fucking mess on their hands every night.

Its about thinking about the bigger picture instead of just YOURSELF - Thinking about others. Helping others.

I for one got a hell of a lot more than "the side view of a show".

You see Adilicious, while Ashbat wasnt as extreme as perhaps demanding a refund, I still think its disrespectful all involved who went OUT OF THEIR WAY to make our day and evening pretty unique. The people involved, did a hell of a lot more than just "feed us pizza and nothing else". Ive got video of it all to prove it.

crap, I swore I wouldnt write another long post about this. sorry but this kind of thing in people works me up.
I live in LA and work in Hollywood in the entertainment business. I always feel like Im in the HEART of Americas sense of arrogance, self-importance and sense of entitlement and it always appalls me how people are out here - esp in the business. But I guess its really kind of everywhere. Perhaps LA isnt so different. I wonder how many of the people that were dissapointed, or confused are actually following along with how Eric is doing.........

they apparently feel the need to come on here and repeat over and over how many aspects of their evening was dissapointing or "confusing". I cant BELIEVE someone picked apart Trents orig plan and word for word compared it to what actually happened. No discussion on WHY it changed a bit. Just "heres how MUCH he promised (and no he didnt), and heres how LITTLE I got."

 

06/16/09 4:07 AM

Powhatan posted:
Anyone paying ANY attention to the VIP info here after the first couple shows could easily see how many people were attending and come to the conclusion that some of the orig. ideas Trent mentioned weren't going to happen. How would they eat dinner with that many people all wanting their attention, not to mention where would they find the time to meet and greet 300 or so people, AND eat dinner with fans, AND do soundcheck? Seriously people, a little common sense should have told you not to hold trent to every single word he said about this thing. He was OBVIOUSLY throwing out ideas anyway, not writing a fucking list of guarantees that would happen every night.
absolutely agree with this, HOWEVER

posted:
posted:
after nin's set was over, i stood with another donor in the place where we were led from backstage, and we were like, "welp, trent said we could go backstage after the show, let's go!" and we were told NO by the security man.

seriously?! I am embarrased that you had such a sense of entitlement that you bothered the guards with this. Like you were MISTAKENLY taken off the stage.


posted:
the head of NIN security cut him off midsentence, and patted him on the back and said something like "you got your meet & greet, you got your dinner, you got backstage, be happy", and then walked away from him.

my fiance found this man's conduct to be "unbelievably rude and unnecessary, to say the least", especially seeing as we weren't trying to get MORE STUFF, and we WERE happy with what we DID get, we were just either A) trying to get what trent said we would, or failing that, B ) trying to figure out what WAS HAPPENING and why we weren't getting this.

what exactly was so "unbelievably rude and unnecessary". You try dealing with countless people doing what you did. Im sure youd get a bit impatient too.
Trent never said you would absolutely get all these things - and if he had, how to you propose he allowed 100 people to stand with the soundguy during the show? How exactly do you expect 100 people can just run around backstage during Janes set - when they now have their own VIP thing, and their show and set was way bigger. People are working back there. You are sounding like a 10 year old that doesnt understand common sense and cant be happy with what they DO get out of life.

did YOU bother reading HIS post? His fiance was being prevented from doing the during-the-show backstage stuff with him. It's pretty much fucking common sense to ask security what's going on with that sort of confusion. Note "trying to figure out what WAS HAPPENING and why we weren't getting this" - no sense of entitlement there, just trying to work out where they stand. Of all the people in this thread, that guy was actually quite level-headed in how he went about stuff. You're going off the other side of the irrationality scale here.

So X was advertised and X wasn't 100% delivered. You're right, you can see why that would be if you'd paid attention. But X should maybe have been thought about before being posted - attention would also make one aware that nin fans are prone to irrationality. It may not be fair to feel disappointed in the people organising these packages, but it is fair for human beings to feel disappointed in a situation. You know, how someone can feel pissed off that they took time off work to travel across the country to see a gig, but at the same time not blame it on the sick musician who was unable to go onstage that night.

 

06/16/09 10:27 AM

icklekitty posted:

did YOU bother reading HIS post? His fiance was being prevented from doing the during-the-show backstage stuff with him. .

Well, ashbat's post (I THINK thats who youre talking about - who I believe is a girl (Fiance - with one "e" means MALE)) at best is a little confusing how its written. And I DID read it. If you want to get technical, then lets get technical:

Ashbat wrote:
posted:
ALSO PRETTY MUCH THE SAME! after nin's set was over, i stood with another donor in the place where we were led from backstage, and we were like, "welp, trent said we could go backstage after the show, let's go!" and we were told NO by the security man. "you were escorted offstage", he said curtly. the other donor saw Rob walking by, and we called out to him and he came over to us. we told him what was going on, and he said to the security guy, "these two are ok" (LOL), so we were let back behind the venue. not backstage, but in the outside-part. eventually, some other donors were allowed back to where we were, too.

around this time, i looked at my phone and saw that my fiance (my "and guest" for this) was calling me. he had decided to go back to the pit, where our "seats" were, for the show, but changed his mind and wanted to come back to watch the show with me, while it was still going on, and was told he couldn't come back. he tried 3 times to no avail, having been told by merriweather staff that his pass was "void", and at this point just wanted to find me and go home. i had to verbally guide him to the entrance-to-behind-the-stage where i was, and he was able to come to me. he was pretty frustrated by the whole thing, and asked the security guy if he could talk to someone in charge, thinking that maybe there was some miscommunication between NIN's people and the merriweather staff. he was taken to someone that he was told was the head of NIN security, from whom he tried to get the definitive story on what was going on, because we'd been told conflicting things. the head of NIN security cut him off midsentence, and patted him on the back and said something like "you got your meet & greet, you got your dinner, you got backstage, be happy", and then walked away from him.

if you read this carefully (see bold text), it SEEMS to be talking about (see first sentence) "AFTER NIN's set was over." She happened to get backstage after being escorted off cause she bugged security and then bugged Rob, who was probably just being nice thinking a couple fans wont be an issue. She describes this as AFTER they were all told it was done and to go back to seats. Theres a little bit that she says about "while the show was still going on" that makes it confusing - is she talking about NIN or Janes as she was back there. But either way, regarding her fiance who went back to watch the show from the pit, It was told to us NUMEROUS times in the night, not to mention said endlessly that once NIN went on stage - there was NO IN AND OUTS.
To demand that youve been wronged after those rules being quite clear here on the board and at the show by the people handling the donors, I think its disrespectful to EXPECT youll just be let backstage again and then to complain about it here endlessly (this isnt just about this one poster here). If this was really about ignorance and somehow her and her fiance missed ALL the communication on here AND from the staff that night that there were NO IN AND OUTS, then STILL getting on here saying they should have done more to make everone "on teh same page" as Ashbat wrote - what more should they have done??? Does every donor need a personal escort reminding them of the rules and expectations and intinerary every moment as the game changes every day? Nope. I think many people here just are self centered and cry like babies when life doesnt go exactly as they thought. Welcome to life. Ashbat complained that there wasnt enough communication about how it would go.
(as trent said) -

"Please keep in mind that we are playing this by ear and things will vary night to night due to the overwhelming response to this and the varying conditions at the venues. Be assured we are doing our very best to make sure your experience is the best we can provide, and thanks for your understanding."

That statement ALONE should have quieted 90% of the whiners here over the next 3 weeks over what Ive seen complained about. But people just think about themselves.

 

06/16/09 10:34 AM

icklekitty posted:
[But X should maybe have been thought about before being posted - .

So youre saying Trent should have thought about this more before he posted?
I disagree. I truly believe everyone involved did the best they could to provide a pretty cool experience for everyone. This was thought up out of nowhere in the middle of a tour, and got a response not anticipated. Enough said. I didnt expect anything more out of anyone - except a little more respect from the fans perhaps. Its been really dissapointing how many posts have been expressing such misery, and some even anger over all this. Its selfish. This was about helping save a life. That seems lost on a lot of these uber-fans who think Trent is here for them only.
MOST major artists dont go half the length to give to fans as NIN does. And yet people still expect more.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/16/2009 10:35AM by Powhatan.

 

06/16/09 2:36 PM

I cant speak for everyone who has posted about this, but I totally agree that is was more about what we accomplished through our donations, and not that our nights went exactly as outlined. It was actually the first thing I said to someone as soon as I heard irritation in their voices behind me. I personally wasnt mad about it but I saw a few that were, and were getting verbal about it. The main reason I posted about my night was to give others a realistic idea of how these things were going, especially in places that had larger groups of donators. (certainly had no intentions of fueling a text battle, (except the jab making fun of JA for saying we were in the way :-P))

I do however, see both sides. I dont think Id say anyone in the 10 to 15 people I was with while being brought off stage and to the side were displaying a sense of entitlement.. everyone I was with was actually very cool about it (except maybe one or two of them, but we kinda stepped away from them when they got loud and embarrassing). I think the main thing that most people I was with were trying to do was just find out for sure, what, if anything we were supposed to do next. we did hear 3 or 4 different things from 3 or 4 different people. one told us our onstage time was done and to enjoy the show form anywhere we wanted until NIN was done. the next one told us to wait by the VIP tent for the backstage area to open for the "oval pass" people. the VIP tent guy said to go back to our seats, and then another one came over and told us to wait in the tent. A few regular venue security staff told us to go to our ticketed seats for the evening, and didnt really even know anything about the package we had been part of. some of them had a sheet with pictures of the different passes on it, but they werent sure how to really decipher what they meant. lol.

anyway, in our case on that night, I guess that sort of confusion can get some people maybe feeling a sense of "more to come".. only because they dont want to miss out. between reading that there would be a back stage time and then some of the staff telling them there was, but to wait for them to come get us. but thats the only thing I heard anyone asking about... and I cant blame them for not wanting to miss something, if there was something else going on... no one was being rude or difficult though, and most of the staff that helped was kind, helpful, and understood why they were being asked, and maybe wanted to find out for themselves too I suppose. My guest and I were mainly tagging along with the others instead of watching Janes because we had just seen Janes the night before and really didnt care to watch them again. (no offense to JA fans smiling smiley )

I think 95% of the donators were thrilled to get what they got and a few complaints should just be ignored and not upset too many people. youll always have that no matter what the situation.. even if they got MORE than they were told they would (thats just the way people can be I suppose.)

on the other hand, one could argue that anyone that bought one of those packages was feeling a sense of entitlement right off the bat.. weather it be a meet and greet, dinner, or the tickets that were promised for the extra $200... I mean, why else would were they purchased?... I suppose all of us, myself included, could have just donated $300, $1000, or $1200 through the "donation only" choice and then simply gone to the show with the tickets we had, expecting nothing in extra in return. -=shrug=-

 

06/16/09 2:53 PM

This is just the same old story of people not being satisfied with what they have/got.I donated $300 for the Manchester UK show, and even if I don't get everything Trent and co said they would do their best sort out, I have helped someone in a country thousands of miles away so he can wake up another day.

I'll still get to see an amazing show, I'll still get to see one of the last UK shows (for a while, anyway) and I'll still get to see one of my favourite bands play some awesome tunes.

Some people don't get chances like this ever, I think I'm one of the lucky ones.

 

06/16/09 4:33 PM

Powhatan posted:
icklekitty posted:
[But X should maybe have been thought about before being posted - .

So youre saying Trent should have thought about this more before he posted?
I disagree. I truly believe everyone involved did the best they could to provide a pretty cool experience for everyone. This was thought up out of nowhere in the middle of a tour, and got a response not anticipated. Enough said. I didnt expect anything more out of anyone - except a little more respect from the fans perhaps. Its been really dissapointing how many posts have been expressing such misery, and some even anger over all this. Its selfish. This was about helping save a life. That seems lost on a lot of these uber-fans who think Trent is here for them only.
MOST major artists dont go half the length to give to fans as NIN does. And yet people still expect more.
Where from that quote are you getting that I mean they should have done more?

X is the proposal/offer; X should maybe have been thought about before being posted - before hitting "submit" take 10 minutes to read it through and think whether stuff is written clearly enough as yes, it has just been "thought up out of nowhere". Nowhere did I say that they should be offering more, just that a little more thinking time should have occured before it was put forward - and Trent acknowledged this in one of his earlier posts. I believe everyone on the day did the best they could too, that's why I said before that people were disappointed in the situation, not the people - that's not selfish, it's human reaction.

and those guys did not "demand that they had been wronged", they "tried to get the definitive story on what was going on, because we'd been told conflicting things" - they were trying to work out what the story was, and get clarification (MERVERNATOR goes into more detail above about the confusion that occured), rather than "demand" justice. There's a huge difference between seeking understanding of the situation and looking for compensation. this is what i'm saying - it's a two way boat, you have to look at it moderately. some people were going off irrationally against nin, and here you're going off irrationally at these fans who IMO are definitely on the tamer end of people who had issues, and taking my saying that they should have thought a little more before posting to mean ZOMG EVIL EVENT ORGANISERS.

 

06/16/09 5:27 PM

The end

 

06/17/09 5:22 PM

Hello everyone! I'm sorry, this probably has been asked before, but I couldn't find an answer using the search function and this thread has become pretty long. sad smiley
I'm kinda confused regarding my 1000$ donation and weather or not I'm going to get the VIP treatment.

In april, I preordered two (standard) tickets for the Düsseldorf show in germany via nintix. A few days ago, I donated 1000$ via nin.com/helperic, too.

Some of the postings regarding the donation/vip stuff make it seem that I should have been able to choose a show during the donation process, to which I'll get VIP tickets. But there was no such choice?
So my question is: How does this work? Will they upgrade my two standard tickets? Will I get two new tickets with VIP status?
Did the VIP package offer run out and is this why it didn't ask me what show I want the VIP stuff for? I'm getting an error message trying to access the helperic page right now.

thanks in advance



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/17/2009 05:23PM by Thorwan.

 

06/17/09 7:56 PM

Thorwan posted:
Hello everyone! I'm sorry, this probably has been asked before, but I couldn't find an answer using the search function and this thread has become pretty long. sad smiley
I'm kinda confused regarding my 1000$ donation and weather or not I'm going to get the VIP treatment.

In april, I preordered two (standard) tickets for the Düsseldorf show in germany via nintix. A few days ago, I donated 1000$ via nin.com/helperic, too.

Some of the postings regarding the donation/vip stuff make it seem that I should have been able to choose a show during the donation process, to which I'll get VIP tickets. But there was no such choice?
So my question is: How does this work? Will they upgrade my two standard tickets? Will I get two new tickets with VIP status?
Did the VIP package offer run out and is this why it didn't ask me what show I want the VIP stuff for? I'm getting an error message trying to access the helperic page right now.

thanks in advance

Im going to say with a fair amount of certainty that if you couldnt pick a show before the confirmation of payment screen, that you probably arent getting VIP access at the show, but maybe the skateboard and autographed CDs package? (unless you donated the $1000 through the "multiples of $10" section.

Did it say anything on your confirmation of payment screen, or in a follow up e-mail?

 

06/18/09 3:10 AM

MERVERNATOR posted:
Thorwan posted:
Hello everyone! I'm sorry, this probably has been asked before, but I couldn't find an answer using the search function and this thread has become pretty long. sad smiley
I'm kinda confused regarding my 1000$ donation and weather or not I'm going to get the VIP treatment.

In april, I preordered two (standard) tickets for the Düsseldorf show in germany via nintix. A few days ago, I donated 1000$ via nin.com/helperic, too.

Some of the postings regarding the donation/vip stuff make it seem that I should have been able to choose a show during the donation process, to which I'll get VIP tickets. But there was no such choice?
So my question is: How does this work? Will they upgrade my two standard tickets? Will I get two new tickets with VIP status?
Did the VIP package offer run out and is this why it didn't ask me what show I want the VIP stuff for? I'm getting an error message trying to access the helperic page right now.

thanks in advance

Im going to say with a fair amount of certainty that if you couldnt pick a show before the confirmation of payment screen, that you probably arent getting VIP access at the show, but maybe the skateboard and autographed CDs package? (unless you donated the $1000 through the "multiples of $10" section.

Did it say anything on your confirmation of payment screen, or in a follow up e-mail?
Nope, the email just contains this, followed by my payment information:

posted:
Thank you for your order at nin.com. This is a copy of your receipt for your records.

Tony Hawk Limited Edition and Still CD (1) $1000
Shipping & Handling: $0.00
Tax: $0.00
Total: $1,000.00
I sent an email to the store support, maybe they can clarify this for me.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/18/2009 03:19AM by Thorwan.

 

06/18/09 4:50 AM

^^Yeah what you bought there is the "Tony Hawk Limited Edition and Still CD (1)" not the VIP thing. So you're getting a CD and a Skateboard in the post at some point!

 

06/18/09 5:47 AM

icklekitty posted:
^^Yeah what you bought there is the "Tony Hawk Limited Edition and Still CD (1)" not the VIP thing. So you're getting a CD and a Skateboard in the post at some point!
Well, thats the only thing that was left, beside the multiple of 10 donations. But thanks for clarifying. It's not that bad though, as I didn't even know about the VIP stuff in the first place. I just stumbled upon this part of Trent's posting on a german forum the day after I donated and wanted to know if it's valid for me:

posted:
For all participants ($300, $1,000 and $1,200) Be sure to arrive at the venue early enough to see the soundchecks. A complete list of soundcheck times is located RIGHT BELOW THIS POST. Sometimes soundchecks are shortened / cancelled due to issues beyond our control, We will have a meet and greet regardless. NIN will soundcheck first for 15-30 min, then there will be a short break while SSSC sets up and soundchecks. You with then be escorted elsewhere for an informal meet and greet with NIN and members of SSSC. You are welcome to get autographs, take pics, hugs, etc.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/18/2009 05:54AM by Thorwan.

 

06/23/09 9:11 AM

I missed my chance to obtain a VIP package for a show I planned on attending. I was going to use it to do something pretty important that I've been hoping to do for a while now. I'm looking to ask a favour of someone who has got a VIP package for any upcoming show, to carry it on for me. If it succeeds, I promise to pay you back some day.
If there is anyone out there who is interested, please respond here or submit a PM to me, and we can work it all out there.
Hope this works.

Thanks

 

06/25/09 1:23 PM

They should have posted the "Sold out" information for The rest of the world.

But i hope that they will post info about the SoundCheck times...

 
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