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06/05/09 5:04 AM

bawitdaba posted:
Just an idea here, maybe for those who you gave tickets and back stage passes to you could instead change their back stage passes to sound check passes?
Thats not a bad idea at all, actually. (And it covers the potential legal problems he created when he assigned a value to the prizes (by selling them) and then revoked them wholesale from the winners specifically BECAUSE he had sold them elsewhere. And no, I'm not doing or advocating anything, etc so don't get all batshit at me. I'm just pointing out that this covers him a TON better than "sorry, here's a $20 souvenir"..)

Edit:
Oh, and yeah, seriously. Every celeb gets this crap. He chose to read it, respond to it and whine about it. We get to pay because he learned a lesson the rest of us learned 10 years ago - yelling at a 12 year old kid on the internet is a losing proposition, even if you "win".

Side note, its great that he chose to help one person, but that almost-a-million-dollars could have done a lot more than almost pay for a single low-success-rate surgery - maybe give many children functional limbs, for example (save-a-limb @ sinai, but the website sucks :/ ..) or help cure cancer (Avon walk or any number of cancer charities), feed half a 4th world country for most of a year, help remove land mines from former war zones, etc. Greater good and all that... (And yes, the I listed the first two specifically because thats where I spend my donations. Had I known I needed to buy the "backstage pass" I already won, I'd have likely donated there too.)



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06/05/09 5:21 AM

[quote Mistic_Morgue][quote trent_reznor]You have NO IDEA the amount and intensity of bullshit that comes my way from the "community". You do not experience this in your life, and you don't know what it's like. You just don't. And MOST of it is coming from people who are your FANS?
When this tour ends, so does any accessibility to me and I really can't wait at this point.[/quote]

You shouldnt read this crap. Please dont. I can't imagine how you must feel reading these. It makes me feel horrible and they are not even talking to me.
I would like to say thank you for the comunication you have done throuout the tour with your fans. It was such a great idea and it made your real fans feel some how connected to you. That was a really thoughtful thing for you to do and your intentions were truely acomplish. I really hope you know that. I am so, so, sorry.

 

06/05/09 6:36 AM

endless griping..

forget the 'if you won a car or a million dollars' BS - this is equal to saying to someone 'I'll give you a lift to the airport, for free, and get you some dinner' so you drive them up, free ride, and then something comes up and you can't get them dinner. Do they then have the right to bitch and whine at me for not getting them dinner?? Nope!
Now if you want to be a baby you can give the person grief or you can say 'well i got a free ride at least'. Fine to be disappointed but it doesn't give you the right to whine - well you can but don't expect too much sympathy from anyone.

leave the man be for crists sake. 'they didn't do this' or 'they gave to the wrong cause' blah blah blah. If I could raise the money to save the life of someone I care about then I'd do it and probably piss on anyone that tried to tell me that I should have used the money for something else. You don't go to an AIDS fundraiser and suggest the money go to breast cancer research.

end rant

 

06/05/09 7:37 AM

It's such a shame that after all the shit that Trent has done for us (hey, remember that FREE ALBUM hey gave us?), people have to attack him for not getting the SLIGHT POSSIBILITY of meeting him. I can understand why he doesn't want anything to do with the internet forums and twitters after this. I'd feel the same way.

Anyways, see you in Camden tonight. Just try and channel all this anger into a kick ass performance. That always helps.



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06/05/09 7:41 AM

Shit, back in the day backstage passes = a boom box, potato chips, and Jeordie...free tix = UPGRADE

 

06/05/09 7:01 AM

derekle5 posted:
If I could raise the money to save the life of someone I care about
You realize he had no idea who this kid was until his pretty, media-connected sister contacted him..? I'm just pointing out that "omg he did such a great thing" has a flip side - he saved (or, more accurately, briefly extended) one life. (Maybe less briefly if this results in large numbers of fans making ONGOING donations, but I don't see that happening. Yes, I'm cynical. How many of you have donated again? Its been at least one pay cycle since the thing was announced..)

The other side of that is that he could have saved/extended MANY more lives elsewhere. Its math with infinities - what is saving one life worth, compared to saving 10? What about improving or extending 100? Etc.. its not a call any person can make for anyone else. (And if I wasn't clear about that in my earlier post then I misspoke.)

He did a great thing for this kid. Indirectly, it might help others (doubtful, because no state is going to make a POLICY of taking in non-taxpayers/contributors and buying them expensive medical procedures..) but the "omg he saved the world" is unreasonable. "omg he saved one kid, almost" is great, and the amount of money raised (in such a short time) is quite impressive.

 

06/05/09 8:11 AM

Thank you for years of amazing music and memories.

I wish you the very best - am very happy for you!
Life IS good!!

Now. Slowly... step away from the computer...

 

06/05/09 7:25 AM

[quote disconn3ct

The other side of that is that he could have saved/extended MANY more lives elsewhere. Its math with infinities - what is saving one life worth, compared to saving 10? What about improving or extending 100? Etc.. its not a call any person can make for anyone else. (And if I wasn't clear about that in my earlier post then I misspoke.)

---
What about it? Shoulda woulda coulda.
If someone chooses to help one person then it is their right. End of story.
He is doing SOMETHING - be it for one person or 100. This is what he chose to raise money for so perhaps we can simply be happy that he did that?
Seems you want to spend time on here :
1) to claim that anyone supporting Trent is 'worshipping ' him
2) suggesting that he should have done something different b/c YOU prefer it

He is trying to help save a life...yeah it could have gone to providing 100 kids with pants or something but it isn't so perhaps people can live with that?
If he gave to another cause no doubt some others would be on here complaining he didn't support their cause.

Seems like no matter what people do it is never enough for some. I'm not the guy raising the money and I am pissed with all the complaining so I can't even begin to imagine how he feels.

"You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is 'never try'."

 

06/05/09 7:30 AM

derekle5 posted:
disconn3ct posted:
its not a call any person can make for anyone else. (And if I wasn't clear about that in my earlier post then I misspoke.)
If someone chooses to help one person then it is their right. End of story.

I quoted the part you didn't read. Go read it again kthxby.



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06/05/09 7:30 AM

trent_reznor posted:
There's many problems at work here, not the least of which is the nature of the internet and the culture it spawns. Perhaps when and if I feel up to it I'll write an essay on the matter from my perspective. In the meantime, the replies are not going to get read, nor the PMs or forums. It's too draining to attempt to communicate with a mob and ultimately utterly pointless. Any community that grows to a certain size will implode as the lowest common denominator takes over. I try to stay personally engaged but it's either truly mentally unstable types constantly spamming my PMs (100s per day), or self-righteous entitlement from "fans", or random cowardly snipes from hate-driven scum of the fucking earth that need something to define their utterly meaningless lives by attacking someone from the shadows.
It makes me resent people, resent my work, resent fans and resent any interaction whatsoever with the "community". Of course this is not aimed at everybody and BY FAR most of you are decent and cool people. BUT, for those wondering why I occasionally lash out, often with some scolding advice for me... You have NO IDEA the amount and intensity of bullshit that comes my way from the "community". You do not experience this in your life, and you don't know what it's like. You just don't. And MOST of it is coming from people who are your FANS?
When this tour ends, so does any accessibility to me and I really can't wait at this point.

I've never had this sort of thing happen to me [obviously], but the closest thing that comes to it was when I was working at a local NGO dedicated to migratory human rights. We began recieving death threats via email, and which we interpreted as spam at the time. Long story short - I no longer work there.

Sucks to have the lowest common denominator spoil an otherwise good thing. I suppose the only ones that have felt that this has been a good thing - the closeness between nin and the fan community - are the fans. Trent and co. have been on the giving end of things, and recieving shit in return.

So while the current sentiment and decision really really blows, I figure I would've been long gone by now had I been in Trent's shoes.

 

06/05/09 7:41 AM

trent_reznor posted:
There's many problems at work here, not the least of which is the nature of the internet and the culture it spawns. Perhaps when and if I feel up to it I'll write an essay on the matter from my perspective. In the meantime, the replies are not going to get read, nor the PMs or forums. It's too draining to attempt to communicate with a mob and ultimately utterly pointless. Any community that grows to a certain size will implode as the lowest common denominator takes over. I try to stay personally engaged but it's either truly mentally unstable types constantly spamming my PMs (100s per day), or self-righteous entitlement from "fans", or random cowardly snipes from hate-driven scum of the fucking earth that need something to define their utterly meaningless lives by attacking someone from the shadows.
It makes me resent people, resent my work, resent fans and resent any interaction whatsoever with the "community". Of course this is not aimed at everybody and BY FAR most of you are decent and cool people. BUT, for those wondering why I occasionally lash out, often with some scolding advice for me... You have NO IDEA the amount and intensity of bullshit that comes my way from the "community". You do not experience this in your life, and you don't know what it's like. You just don't. And MOST of it is coming from people who are your FANS?
When this tour ends, so does any accessibility to me and I really can't wait at this point.


This saddens me more than I can even begin to express.

 

06/05/09 7:55 AM

disconn3ct posted:
derekle5 posted:
disconn3ct posted:
its not a call any person can make for anyone else. (And if I wasn't clear about that in my earlier post then I misspoke.)
If someone chooses to help one person then it is their right. End of story.

I quoted the part you didn't read. Go read it again kthxby.


say it all you want but posting endlessly on here seems to suggest that you don't mean it. just like adding 'no offence' doesn't excuse saying something foolish.
I am fairly certain we are ALL aware that money can be used for one person or it could benefit many - WE GOT IT!!!

 

06/05/09 9:09 AM

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06/05/09 8:28 AM

trent_reznor posted:
There's many problems at work here, not the least of which is the nature of the internet and the culture it spawns. Perhaps when and if I feel up to it I'll write an essay on the matter from my perspective. In the meantime, the replies are not going to get read, nor the PMs or forums. It's too draining to attempt to communicate with a mob and ultimately utterly pointless. Any community that grows to a certain size will implode as the lowest common denominator takes over. I try to stay personally engaged but it's either truly mentally unstable types constantly spamming my PMs (100s per day), or self-righteous entitlement from "fans", or random cowardly snipes from hate-driven scum of the fucking earth that need something to define their utterly meaningless lives by attacking someone from the shadows.
It makes me resent people, resent my work, resent fans and resent any interaction whatsoever with the "community". Of course this is not aimed at everybody and BY FAR most of you are decent and cool people. BUT, for those wondering why I occasionally lash out, often with some scolding advice for me... You have NO IDEA the amount and intensity of bullshit that comes my way from the "community". You do not experience this in your life, and you don't know what it's like. You just don't. And MOST of it is coming from people who are your FANS?
When this tour ends, so does any accessibility to me and I really can't wait at this point.

This just makes me feel very SAD. Very, very sad. Honestly...can't people just respect one another and see fame for what it is? Smoke and mirrors. Trent is a red-blooded male in his 40's who happens to make fabulous music, but can't we leave it at that instead of badgering the man? ugh. ugh. Now, he will fade away and we will all do the March of the Pigs and latch on to the angst of some emo/fake/phoney so-called "band" and forget the authenticity that NIN/Trent Reznor has provided to us through decades of mindblowing music. *siiiiiiigh* It just saddens me to the core. Feels as if knives are twisting in my heart. And anyone would be hardpressed to say they are more of a NIN-Lover than myself, my 34-yr old self---

Love, from me.
Cherie

 

06/05/09 8:34 AM

Ye gods...

Just read TR's posts and I'm actually staggered at how rude, ungrateful, petty, selfish and downright nasty some 'fans' can be. And we don't even know the half of it...

Urgh...

All I can say is, Trent, not all of us are like that. In fact, the majority are pretty darned cool - but as usual, it's the (oftentimes highly vocal) idiotic minority who spoil it for the rest.

To them I say, "Great. Thanks. You've harassed, hounded, insulted and pissed off the bloke who you claim to admire and respect. Nice work, way to go because now, quite understandably, he's basically told us all to fuck off. Cheers."

 

06/05/09 8:35 AM

Trent, I never could imagine an artist with your talents and generosity to ever be present in this modern era.
You have impressed me with your artistry and unmistakable ability to be as compassionate to your fans as you can.
I love your music, and I sincerely appreciate all you have done for us. You are a great human being who deserves nothing more than what makes you happy.
You have a big heart, and I'm grateful to be a fan.

 

06/05/09 8:41 AM

derekle5 posted:
say it all you want but posting endlessly on here seems to suggest that you don't mean it. just like adding 'no offence' doesn't excuse saying something foolish.
I am fairly certain we are ALL aware that money can be used for one person or it could benefit many - WE GOT IT!!!
I only said it once. Nice try though, people who didn't read the last few pages might believe you.

What I "posted endlessly" about was basically the same things all most of the other twitter winners said too - this sucks that we're paying the price because TR let some internet kid make him cry. I'm sorry that he is new to this whole "internet" thing but seriously, some of us have been here a while now and this is not anything new, unique or different.(*) Well.. its a little different in that I expected him to be better about this sort of crap than some other people. (Google-fu fail, I can't even find examples of other celebs behaving like that, although I'm sure they are out there. And the 'leave brittney alone' guy by himself isn't really the message I'm trying to send.)

(*Yes, I know he pioneered a lot of music-related internet ideas, and is probably the only single person with a direct impact on things like drm-free music stores. That kinda makes it worse, he should know better.)

 

06/05/09 8:41 AM

discipline318 [Anyways, see you in Camden tonight. Just try and channel all this anger into a kick ass performance. That always helps.[/quote]

If any good can come of this, hopefully it's that.

Anyway...this whole thing is insane. People got something for FREE. Of course the people that shelled out $300-$1,200 get preference...they stepped up and put their wallet where their mouths are for something that TR felt strongly about.

I work at a non-profit, where we never have to explain to people why certain VIP's get special treatment; the Average Joe understands that our donors get to meet the politicians, actors, and local celebrities that we have in to do events and not them. It's called reality, and most people get that.

Rock out in Camden tonight!

Edit- the quote got fucked up...



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06/05/09 9:07 AM

NO! NO NO Fucking Assholes! Don't do this. Fuck them! You're letting them win? Trent? This sucks first you say it's the goodbye tour and now you're really saying goodbye. sad smiley
It was great to sort of get to know you in a way, thanks for that. If I ever pissed you off ( sure I have'nt) I'm sorry, but, I was a fan before nin.com and before I had a computer and I'll always appreaciate you. You might think some of your music is outdated, NO, it won't ever be outdated because of its uniqueness, you are the best. You're a gift to the world whether you see yourself that way or not, you are. Thank you for everything Trent.

 

06/05/09 10:10 AM

JESUS! I can't read this anymore!!!

 

06/05/09 9:13 AM

I feel bad for the shit he is dealing with & the disappointment he feels. We who love him and leave him alone (generally) I think are the ones who truly feel the worst. I hate that a few bad apples ruins it for everyone, AND the band. Jackasses... I hope TR gets married, has an enjoyable and most deserved break/vacation from the trenches in internet land, and comes back to his fans when he is ready. Take a long vaca Trent! We are not going anywhere and will be here when you return. See you tonight 12 rows back in New Jersey!

 

06/05/09 9:40 AM

i feel really bad.. a lot of anger and sadness that some ppl will post this type of stuff to Trent and Mariqueen.
its so childish. stupid.. it is so sad that TR and Q have to deal with this..

it sucks that a few can ruin this.. it was fun seeing TR and Q tweeting and what not..

it was so positive the way we all came together for Eric..
it was a great thing.. but it also showed how sick some ppl are i guess..
and it is the exact same with TR and Q.. it is a wonderful thing
but it showed how ugly some ppl can be.....

thank you Trent and Q and the rest of the band for all that have given to me..

 

06/05/09 9:52 AM

You know, meeting Trent, however briefly, was one of the best experiences of my life, so I can understand the disappointment that would accompany not meeting Trent. That said, he's consistently given us his time, his energy, and his honesty - but the more he gives the more we expect...He deserves better and is finally allowing himself to say so. It makes me so incredibly weary to think that we, as a community, make him feel worse...

Anyway, this is me sending sad little virtual hugs TR's way -smiling smiley

 

06/05/09 10:04 AM

Okay. To preface all of this word vomit - I'm a creative writing major, so I write a lot - I have been working in the marketing/PR/professional Street Team thing for over 10 years now. I have toured with a band, selling merchandise across the south and midwest/east. I have sold merch at tons of venues across the contiguous 48 states. I used to see ~250-300 concerts a year for a few years out of the 10+ I've been working. I was thoroughly impressed by the way KC's M&G worked out - there were whiners there too, don't get me wrong, but we were able to tune them out and have fun.

My BF, being the awesome person that he is, surprised me by donating $300 so we could go meet NiN, maybe other bands. I am a kindhearted person. I donate to a lot of places even though I don't have a lot of money. I just (literally, the week before) spent almost $1k on bills, and I didn't have the money when the original M&G was announced. I told him that I thought it was an awesome idea, i wish i had the money because yes, we got to meet NiN, but it went to a good cause. He did - he took it out of his vacation fund, so we skipped doing a couple other things, and did this instead. (and it was worth every penny) We both decided while the $1k thing was awesome, it wasn't for us - we had 2nd row, great seats anyway, and we were content with getting an item signed and meeting the band.

1. At the KC show, the $300 people did not get a pass of any sort. the $1k people got what's called a "local access pass" by those who have worked venues. At good venues, or places where it's less chaotic, all the security venue people will know that certain areas are for those passes, and what goes where. This can't always happen. There are lapses in knowing. Most venue people make maybe 1 or 2 bucks more than minimum wage (I made $6.50/hr working at Sandstone Amphitheater near Bonner Springs, KS back in 2001-2, $6.50 an hour to get called things I wouldn't repeat in a room of sailors, much less on a message board. $6.50/hr to get harassed, pushed, concussions, sprained ankles, covered in mud, black eyes, etc.) It's not a glamourous job, and the 2 years I worked there, I worked backstage ONCE in that entire time frame. Most security people aren't let in on all the details of everything, due to simply how many people there are, or how big the event is, etc. Oftentimes I was just told "okay, lower seats, between 3 and 4" and that was my duty the entire night.

2. We DID get to meet NiN, their awesome security guy (thanks again for all the info you provided me with, personally), the awesome girl who was helping coordinate (and who stopped by us more than once in line to commiserate and chat). I did, in fact, get my copy of the Fragile signed, Justin threw me off when he complimented me on something, and I didn't mess up on what I was going to say to Trent. I'm a writer and I had it all planned out. Rehearsed it. I was nervous I'd screw it up. Not because I think Trent is a demigod, not because I worship him - but because I honestly wanted to thank him, from the bottom of my heart, for everything he has done. And I did. And he smiled. And that's all I hoped I would get. Not expected. Not wanted - wanted has a kind of ring to it and that's not what I meant. I hoped. And my hopes came true. And the picture is awesome. (and Trent, I meant what I said, I'm working on getting you a copy of the tape now)

3. I have liked NiN for a very long time. I don't get nervous around "stars", i don't get "starstruck". You have to realize that each one of these guys is a real human being with emotions and feelings. Most likely a day on their tour consists of:
-not enough sleep
-travelling from city to city
-radio obligations, answering official emails
-load in early, soundcheck, go back to the hotel, change, get ready (mentally and physically), get back, venue stuff, myriad of stuff to do before the show, eat, play,
-catching up on email, twitter, family, friends if there is time.
-laundry, if they have time at a city
etc.

rinse repeat. You all get the idea. I worked for a small band, and in a 24 hour period i maybe had 2-3 hours to myself every day we were touring. Trent and company are giving up some of their only free time during the day to coordinate and meet everyone who are kind enough to donate. Yes, there are people that are donating just to see Trent, but there are quite a few who are doing it BECAUSE they appreciate it. Honestly, if it wasn't going to Eric, I wouldn't have cared to donate. The fact it IS going to a good person - whom I have not met, but by all accounts is someone who is a nice guy - is what did it for me.

4. No one out there, except family, and close friends, and people who work on the tour, should get an official laminate. Anyone that's expecting one of those, i'd laugh in your face. I've gotten maybe 3-4 in 10+ years - most of which was working in festivals, just because security there is so chaotic. If you get a temporary day pass/local pass, that's awesome. I have a few of those - but again - not very many. We didn't get one for donating $300, and I wish we could have simply because they look AWESOME.

5. Just because you are backstage, and get a pass, doesn't mean much of anything. For you, this is an entertainment venture, a concert. For these people, this is THEIR JOB. This is how they make their living.

6. No one "owes you" anything. Not the guy that originally started this, not anything. Trent could (and, it's a credit to him and the rest of the band and staff) simply yank all the M&G remaining due to all the BS that is currently going on.

7. Fans are scary. Superfans are scarier. I worked with a band (that is still touring to this day), and I helped run their street team. There were some fans that caught wind I was going to a show in Chicago at HoB, and they started pelting me (i was on the floor) with rocks, trying to knock me out so they could step on my camera and break my glasses. These same "fans" sent ME death threats, written, to my house, to my PARENTS HOUSE, stuck on my car at shows, at my place of work outside of shows... I was tripped, I had drinks "accidentally" spilled on me at a winter show when the wind chill was 15 degrees and suffered hypothermia because of it.. The band? did nothing. They washed their hands of it. To this day, I will never purchase a ticket, cd, or anything to do with them that would make them money. And neither will a lot of my friends. I am very sorry that Trent and his soon to be wife are having to go through this. I am very angry that people think they are entitled - and yes, that's the correct usage of the word - that they can wreck someone's real life just because they didn't get their way.

In summation - Trent, for what you and yours are going through, I am very sorry. I appreciate from the bottom of my heart what you have done for all of us this tour. Being able to tape without having my gear stolen, pissed on, thrown around, kicked out of the venue meant was absolutely one of the most meaningful shows I've been able to tape (in my 400+ shows I have taped). You also reunited me (albeit indirectly, as he's on these boards too) with someone that I used to go to shows with and that was a friend that i missed.

I for one will miss your ranting and raving on twitter or anywhere about things, but I *completely* understand why you are going to disappear. For the time you are spending around us fans, I thank you, again, from the bottom of my heart.

Anyone who's read it this far: please remember that while you may worship the ground all these guys walk on, they are human like you and I, and they have emotions and feelings the same as you and i.

"You shall take all sides, and filter them from yourself." - Whitman

Thanks for reading. I hope everyone enjoys the shows from here on out. I wish I could go to more, but I can't. My BF and I had an amazing time at our first concert together, and I thank the band, staff, and event staff at Starlight for making it so.

(@myrla_cat on twitter)



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06/05/09 10:32 AM

Forums and PM systems in general are broken. Trent's PM box is the perfect example (not to mention the accumulation of posts stating the same thing over and over and over and over and over and... I'm sure you catch my drift).

Forums in their current format are in need of a drastic change. For one, they need to be reduced to a format similar to Twitter: 140 characters max per post. Maybe even less. Seriously, who needs all this rehashing? I'm aware that everybody has his/her own opinion, but somewhere in the expressive process it seems to go awry, resulting in just more of the same.

Furthermore, forums need a cap on the number of posts per user per day (I'd suggest 1). Fuck PM's for all users. Really. Admins should be the only ones with a PM option. Forums should focus on the interaction betweet artist and community, for which 140 characters per message is more than enough. Want to get in touch with another member? Just check out his/her profile, get in touch with them through there. Or, use the chat (great move from the NIN web team, kudos guys).

Not convinced? Have a look for yourself: pages and pages and pages and pages. Nothing more than multiple variations on the same message, and an artist who can't wait to disconnect from the online world (and rightfully so).

If capped to 1 message per day, would you not give your message more thought?


I'm telling you: it's not just the whiners or mental cases. The whole communication system is broken.

@trent_reznor: MUCH respect for the donation initiative. Would definitely donate if I wasn't broke. Thank you for your music. See you in Amsterdam.

^ 132 characters including spaces. Said pretty much all I wanted to say. ^

And no, I'm not promoting Twitter: I'm promoting efficient communication. Twitter just happens to be a handy example in some ways.



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06/05/09 10:35 AM

Quote from myrlacat: "Anyone who's read it this far: please remember that while you may worship the ground all these guys walk on, they are human like you and I, and they have emotions and feelings the same as you and i."

I have never had the pleasure of meeting anyone NIN-related at all, but have seen other celebrities while attending events. Due to a winter storm, I ended up in the same hotel, eating at the same restaurant as some people I find really interesting. I smiled to myself. After all, this was for me to remember; I didn't need proof. I didn't ask for an autograph on the elevator, didn't say anything to them, and even chose a seat where I was eating with my back to them so I would not stare. They were having time to themselves, and that was the point. While these performers' contributions should never be taken for granted, they should not be attacked for our own selfish reasons. The "normal" parts of their lives should not be taken away from them because they were selfless enough to spend it giving to and sharing with the rest of us.

 

06/05/09 10:45 AM

Wow a free show?
Who can complain about that?

A free show is better then nothing and then you expect you would meet the band for sure?

Trent i just got say thanks for all the hard work you done for everyone over the past 20 year's and playing all these show's, your music is totally amazing, and people got to complaint that they can't meet you? That is just selfish of them.

 

06/05/09 10:52 AM

My biggest surprise about all this was to learn that Trent actually reads (or at least did read) the PMs and posts here and on Twitter. I've never PMed him (I assumed he gets hundreds, if not thousands, every single day) and I only @replied him a couple of times to offer congratulations and thanks.

It's obvious the man really cares about his fans. I'm sure this symbiotic relationship sometimes inspires him as it does us. Unfortunately, the few parasites had to destroy it. It's kind of like bacteria...our bodies are full of helpful bacteria, but when we take antibiotics to kill off the harmful variety, all the bacteria gets wiped out. It takes time (and sometimes probiotics) for the good bacteria to re-emerge and flourish. We can only hope that time and happiness (the probiotics supplied by his relationship with Mariqueen) will allow our symbiotic relationship to return at some point in the future. Who knows? It may even be "soon".

 

06/05/09 11:01 AM

People are strange.
Jim Morrison speaks the truth.
It's profoundly disturbing to see these hateful & ignorant tweets to Trent & his lovely wife to be.
Anyone who rants like that to a celebrity is just full of envy.

 

06/05/09 11:01 AM

Megavolt419 posted:
...people got to complaint that they can't meet you? That is just selfish of them.

Yeah horrible that anyone would ever voice their opinion. I think anyone who ever has anything bad to say about Trent should be put in the chair. Even if he steps on their toes and calls their momma fat.

Oh wait, I am not in love with the man....

Let normal people complain like normal people, I am sorry that Trent seems to be a magnet for freaks but you people are lumping anyone who is "upset" about the change to the twitter passes to the "freaks" that TR gets to deal with daily. On going, probably since the inception of what is now nin.com

This whole thread is like everyone trying to get through the fence.

Like my video references?

 
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