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06/10/09 3:10 PM

I had something longer here - but I feel like I have to change it.

Just one thing: sorry that this is all happening and that the internet can be a crappy place. Good luck with all future endeavors.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/10/2009 03:41PM by Yoshata.

 

06/10/09 3:10 PM

Trent,

Your life in many ways mirrors mine. I went through my twenties in a blur of rage and alcohol... hit 30 and met my lovely wife. Everything changed at that point. It doesn't mean you've lost your edge if you're happy. It just means you've evolved! I cant wait to see the exciting direction your creative energies will soon take now that you've found your other half.

Patrick

P.S. Didn't you learn your lesson about social media back in the old NIN dboards days? God knows that place taught me exactly how vile people can be. Though I met my wife there... so good things DO come from social media too.

 

06/10/09 3:11 PM

TR, All I can say is, being a non-famous celebrity person myself, it's so sad and sickening to hear you share these comments about the types of people you have to deal with on a daily basis. Why not use all that time and energy for something good in the world? Go volunteer at a battered women's shelter, or help feed the homeless people? Sounds like these people have all the time in the world, why not do something productive and positive with it, but instead all they have is hate to spew. I guess I am/was really naive to the ways of sick individuals. It really ruins the opportunity to enjoy and engage an artist they admire, respect and want to support.

A few assholes spoil it for people like me who think it is a true priviledge to be a part of a fan community for someone who is actually involved with their fans, and wants to know what is important and interests us out here.
For the time I have been involved, I must say thank you so much and I really appreciate everything you have done for us and can't wait to see what you have up your sleeve next!

I wish the very best for you and Mariqueen. It's great to hear you have truly connected with another that makes you so happy! Sorry to hear you will exiting but it's totally understandable based on the influx of lunatics trying to cause you grief.

 

06/10/09 3:15 PM

funkwoman posted:
Keep changing. Stay sober. Love your fiancee and make a wonderful life with her. You don't owe us shit. You already give us the music and the shows--and that's a fuck of a lot more than we get from most people. You owe us nothing and the fact that we got you for a few months on Twitter was a delightful gift that was unfortunately ruined by the bad apples. I personally couldn't take the level of vitriol that regularly gets sent your way, and I wonder how many of the people walking around could. Good luck, and be happy. The world is a better place with you in it.

very well said I liked that...

I sure will miss your twitter but I do understand where you are coming from... just got to know it not so long ago and it made me smile a lot of times when you were talking about how much in love you are smiling smiley I feel that i got to know your persona alot more then just through the music and it made me love you even more.
Thanks to you I found my soulmate as we met through the internet with one thing in common -at first = the love we had for NINE INCH NAILS, it was the first thing we started talking about and as things went on we fell in love, we have been together for 11.yrs now and have 2 adorable kids and hopefully the 3rd one coming soon, so all I can say is THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING, you brought me love and the soundtrack to my life so I wish with all my heart you will be as happy in your love, and I can feel it/see it from they way you and Q twitter about eachother you are very happy and very much in love,
she seems very joyful and a big joker - I like her sence of humor, she makes me laugh alot as well, plus she is gorgeous
good luck with whatever your plans are, wish you all the happiness you possibly can have- you sure do deserve it, and if/when you come back I/we will still be ready to listen.....
remember there are more ppl out there that love you then hate you

see you in London the finger smiley



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/11/2009 12:55PM by katrintrent.

 

06/10/09 3:16 PM

Zarabeth posted:
1) enjoy being object of trolling;
2) if you can't enjoy it, ignore it;
3) if you can't either enjoy or ignore it, the Internet's not the place for you, I'm afraid.


Thank you Zarabeth. I've been trying to think of a way to say "if you can't take the heat stay out of the (virtual) kitchen. If you are going to have a public/open persona online, you will get reemed and it will not be pretty. I prefer to not put a full photo of myself on a public forum like this one and I also prefer to not use my full name. My "handle" is a shortened version of my name. I do not need to hide behind "GothGRRL77" or something silly like that but at the same time as a woman, I am very wary of anything that involves people I do not know, just as I do not park in a dark space after dark and I constantly look over my shoulder if I am out alone.

If that is a real picture of you, you are a braver woman than I. Even if you are digitized.

Trent, back to you for a second, if I were you, I would have two profiles on social networking sites (assuming you enjoy using them): "Trent the real person" and "Trent the public person". The former where you can share info with your real friends and maybe some fans that behave in their interaction with the public person. In that sense as "Trent the non marketing profile" (sorry, I just read something at work about marketing) you could talk about your love life (and other personal issues) with people who have some insight on it. I was doing that with Facebook for a while "Rachel@work" and "Rachel@play" until I found that there were privacy levels to Facebook. It does get a bit tedious but it keeps the bosses and others at bay while implying you are being open. Like Zarabeth, I work in the online world so a work presence is needed. Alas, I have not found those types of setting on Twitter, which means I do not spew out as much marketing rhetoric back at you, as I could. tongue sticking out smiley

PS: Go see UP at theater near you (KIDDING!)

 

06/10/09 3:17 PM

I hope that you don't completely drop off the online community. Part of what makes you such a great artist, in my eyes, is your ability to get across to your fans (through music or here). Don't let the ugliness of humanity outshine the good.

 

06/10/09 3:18 PM

I thought my mom was the most amazing woman in the world.....

I joke I joke, but seriously she is!

Love you with all my heart T$.

 

06/10/09 3:22 PM

Trent, you're so smart, now I see who all the "smarty-pantses" on nin.com try to emulate. (P.S. "smarty-pantses", leave it to the pros)
I suck at the whole internet anonymity shit, which is why my username is my real first name, and up until recently, I used my own picture of my real first face on most of my social networking profiles. Then I realized that I'm trying to get a job and since I'm sometimes an obscene person, I might not want potential employers getting that first impression of me. The internet is a big nasty sea to navigate, and the real world is ALWAYS (not even almost always, ALWAYS) a better place to be.

 

06/10/09 3:25 PM

This is embarrassing, but I have to say that in addition to this site and ETS, I have been an on/off lurker on Metal Sludge since high school. I tend to gravitate towards the main boards where the main topic is always music with very few FEMALE posters, I notice. Despite the overall hair metal vibe of the whole site, I have had interesting discussions and debates there about all kinds of artists, including NIN. There ARE a few intelligent people roaming those boards.

However, go over to "Donna's Ho Board" and it's a complete 180. Mostly female, mostly unattractive, mostly obsessive users. The "NIN Bitches" thread is probably up to about 200 pages long by now (I haven't been back there in a week or two due to the pure hatred spewing out of it constantly) and it's absolutely ridiculous. The things some of those people come up with are absolutely sick and heartless. They read into EVERY FUCKING detail of Trent & Mariqueen's posts and come up with some of the most ridiculous stories ever.

Trent, it's been great to see you involved in the online community, and there are not enough words for me to sum up just how fucking much I hate these idiots for ruining this amazing experience for the rest of us. Thank you for finally addressing this madness. I wish you nothing but happiness and continued success in your life and work.

 

06/10/09 4:33 PM

Keep on trucking, Trent. Ignore the idiots.

 

06/10/09 3:35 PM

Your music takes the greatest part of the soundtrack of my life.... since about 1994. I'm glad you're sober for so long and forever now and that you've found love. and I'm glad you're not the same person like in the 90's.
I'm glad I'm the same person I was in the 90's. We all really like the new Trent.
I joined twitter just two weeks ago. In the first place because of you. Getting to know you a little bit better. If you can even speak of 'getting to know so.", when you never even had a conversation.
I found it hard to image how to handle all the retweets of people... and of couse real life as a famous person.
I had thoughts similar to what 'CUbeGod' said, 'I always thought about writing to you but I never had the courage and I always told myself I didnt want to bother you with my stupid fan email".

I'm looking forward to two more NIN concerts in this month!
Your music will always be a part of my life.
Come back once in a while... a few songs in every 3-5 year would be great. If you can make it and have fun doing it.
Enjoy your private life. Wish you and Mariqueen good luck and best happiness. Could be interesting for a kid growing up with you as his/her dad. Think about it.
Thank you for the music! Live long and prosper in private life!

PS: Please, excuse my worse English.

 

06/10/09 3:38 PM

I am to busy to read through 14 pages of replies, so this has probably been said already but the thing with social networking sites is they are a lot like high school. You have the popular kids and the not so popular kids.

I once saw a movie where a guy in prison told this loser kid that "school is just like prison the first day you have to find the biggest baddest muther fucker and beat him up on the yard where everyone can see." And that is pretty much true. Social networking sites ESPECIALLY twitter are for narcissist who are competing in a popularity contest. They know the quickest way to get attention is to find a big mofo and beat his ass (metaphorically speaking). This gives them instant popularity. The problem is Trent, do you ever interact with the people who have nice things to say about you, the band or mariqueen? My guess is that you don't interact with those people at all, if you called more attention to the people who have endearing things to say about you rather than starting fights with people who want to slander you, you will have a different experience on social networks.

edit: I am going to add a picture to my profile to prove I am not an ugly fat chick



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/10/2009 03:40PM by halo_smyth.

 

06/10/09 3:52 PM

I just thought this needed mentioning; Trent has been left with no choice but to disable his PM because of all these silly idiots who keep on forever sending him "lovely" emails/messages. I think it's so disgusting, I mean why do these people even bother? Its completely childish and surely they have something much more intelligent and productive to be getting on with? Ha. I can totally understand why Trent may be losing his faith in humanity somewhat...I mean is it any wonder really? If stupid people keep on behaving like this, I'm pretty sure NIN won't want to meet fans or get involved with the community. Anyway, I hope those fuckers are reading this, it might make them grow-up. Might.

 

06/10/09 3:47 PM

Trent,

It really sucks that these losers have managed to get under your skin so far as to drive you away from the internets. I really enjoyed your tweets. I follow a few celebrities on twitter and it's refreshing to see that they are real people. I get a kick out of it.

I have read some of the shit on metalsludge and twitter, and it's just so depressing that people devote SUCH A HUGE AMOUNT OF TIME to hating someone they don't even know. Really, those people seem to exist only to hate on you. It blows my mind. I read ONTD, and there is a lot of hate there, but a lot of it is also tongue in cheek. The hate on metalsludge is frightening!

I feel bad that you have to go through this. I have been a fan since the early 90s and I appreciate everything you have done for the fans. You never seemed like a douchebag to me. I just hope you know that most of your fans are cool we love you and wish you well.

 

06/10/09 3:53 PM

Trent, you are da man. Don't ever let those idiot haters get to ya. They obviously have no life & nothing better to do than fark with celebrities. Keep on rocking on. See you in a couple of nights for the Charlotte show!

 

06/10/09 4:53 PM

Well, I for one really enjoyed the revelation of the real Trent Reznor--even if it came through in a very small way via 140-characters and the LED-illumination. I think there's something to be said about knowing there's a person behind the music. I don't think it answered any questions I might have had about NIN--I'm married to a musician who has schooled me quite thoroughly in separating out the music from the man. Usually I try my hardest not to think about the person behind the music--it's my impression that a lot of musicians are rather disappointing in personality, if not enraging; this is not the kind of thing that makes me feel comfortable buying their albums. If I like a band and I find out the lead singer is a homophobic racist who beats his wife, I'm not going to be okay forking over the $15 (or whatever the fuck they charge these days) for his CD. I try and follow a "don't ask, don't tell" policy with most musicians. In face of the fear that I'd find someone absolutely despicable, I'd rather just not know anything about musicians at all.
But it was relieving to find out that NIN had a decent human being behind it. And it was a big motivator to become a more dedicated fan. While your experiment on Twitter may have destroyed your faith in humanity, it gave me back a little bit of mine--at least the part that was extremely cynical towards celebrities. It's nice to know that at least not everyone who entertains me is an egomaniacal asswipe. Now if only we could do something about the ones that are... I recommend your same advice for the Metal Sludge.

 

06/10/09 3:57 PM

LockeDown posted:
msfaith1983 posted:
subject: Hello!
from: msfaith1983
to: LockeDown
date: 06/05/2009 04:06PM


Hello!
My name is faith.I am a girl of 25 years old,
I wish to be in love relationship with you
and May be we can be able to meet as real partners for life. Please write
me with this my private e-mail address;; so that i can send my photos to you,and also tell you more about me
(odofaith67@yahoo.com)
I would like to see a good response from you
Thanks
from my heart
Yours in love
faith


Does the above PM I just got count as Metal Sludge?

LOL! Unless you're in a metal band, that is just plain sludge. I just want to know if she is saying she it 26 but is really 42. Faith1983 va Faith67 - just sayin'

If she is old, fat, with bad skin and has a mullet, that sounds like what I used to get on My Space when I was on there and public. OK, I got a few decent guys but they didn't compensate for the Mulletizer of Mojave, CA.

 

06/10/09 4:01 PM

A) You are an amazing artist for showing your true self online and your not crazy for expecting the same genuine responses from others; it'll just never happen. And that is the story of the internet.

cool smiley You are a lucky man to have found the kind of love you can pledge for a lifetime. I had a fan-girl crush on you too but honestly, your wife is beautiful and I am happy for the two of you.

C) I love the end of your post, you are awesome and so is NIN, this tour fucking rocked and Street Sweeper Social Club kicked it with YOU. And that is just one more reason for them to hate, can you blame them? It's the fucking life you live.

Take it from a REAL fan, most of us are very happy/proud of you and excited for all your success.

 

06/10/09 4:04 PM

rachkath posted:
LockeDown posted:
msfaith1983 posted:
subject: Hello!
from: msfaith1983
to: LockeDown
date: 06/05/2009 04:06PM


Hello!
My name is faith.I am a girl of 25 years old,
I wish to be in love relationship with you
and May be we can be able to meet as real partners for life. Please write
me with this my private e-mail address;; so that i can send my photos to you,and also tell you more about me
(odofaith67@yahoo.com)
I would like to see a good response from you
Thanks
from my heart
Yours in love
faith


Does the above PM I just got count as Metal Sludge?

LOL! Unless you're in a metal band, that is just plain sludge. I just want to know if she is saying she it 26 but is really 42. Faith1983 va Faith67 - just sayin'

If she is old, fat, with bad skin and has a mullet, that sounds like what I used to get on My Space when I was on there and public. OK, I got a few decent guys but they didn't compensate for the Mulletizer of Mojave, CA.

Nothing wrong with getting old!!! Having a blatant lack of education and overall concept for grammar is a whole other story, that would drive me nuts.

 

06/10/09 4:04 PM

It was fun while it lasted... thanks for the smiles =)

 

06/10/09 4:05 PM

Trent, I give you nothing but mad props for interacting directly with us, the fans, in order to find out what our opinions are and what we want. It's a billion times better than having some record company prick telling YOU what WE want, when they really don't know shit. I know you don't want that, and we certainly don't want you dealing with that shit as well. I am nothing but grateful for your diving head first into the fan community.

However, they're going to be haters, and those asses are...well, they're asses. I wish I could say to just fuck 'em and ignore them, but getting all thoses messages daily from them, that's gotta be difficult. Their cursing of you and subsequent front row attendance at your concerts just confirms how big of asses they really are.

I'm afraid "idiots rule" is law #1 of the universe. As the late great Frank Zappa once said: "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life"

I'm engaged to somebody I'm madly in love with too. You're in love, and that's the best fucking thing in the world. When people question it, especially people who don't know shit about you, it's the most fustrating thing ever. Believe me I know. Kinda like the record company people you're talking about, people that are groupies like the ones at Metal Sludge probably have never really been in love and they just don't get it. They think it's 1987 and they're in L.A. and it's cool to do massive amounts of coke and alcohol and dream about blowing the guys from L.A. Guns.

The point is: you fucking rule, the haters blow, and THANK YOU!



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06/10/09 4:08 PM

*waves goodbye*

I will miss twittering TR.

 

06/10/09 4:14 PM

I don't like nicknames, I don't like avatars, and if I want to say something to someone that will be the thing that I could say in that person's face. These are my rules in online communications.
I wish that I could tell something like - ignore, don't worry..."Remember compliments you receive. Forget the insults. (If you succeed in doing this, tell me how)."... Somehow I can't. But it sounds right.


Trent, thank you for your openness. I wish that more people (not only celebrities) are more like that.

And..., I am happily married, and I wish the same for you! smiling smiley
Enjoy your life. The real one.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/10/2009 04:16PM by danijela.

 

06/10/09 4:15 PM

Nope, definitely not the same person as I was in '94, which is good, cuz I was 14, had no job, no car, no money, and no girlfriend, with just my Super Nintendo to keep me company. Sad panda.

Glad you're not the same person you were back then either, because though you created amazing music back then, you were obviously on a bad track, and if you had continued on said track, you probably wouldn't be with us still, giving us great music and shows, and that's the saddest panda of them all.

 

06/10/09 4:18 PM

Good luck man! its amazing how people like you are trying to make a difference .
And its sad that we wont be hearing from you ..

I guess the few idiots (like always)win again they managed to bring down people who try to change/break the conventional ways ..
We as a human race are in this situation coz of these idiots throughout the world..

Good luck for your new projects..

 

06/10/09 4:21 PM

just a wee note to all and sundry - lay off the fat birds. being plump or rotund, fat or obese doesn't make you a stalker/ bad/ anything-else-bad-you-can-think-of. there may be interceptions on the venn diagram of fans. agreed. but the root of this whole social-interaction-gone-wrong-thing has fuck all to do with people with body size issues. it's all in the head. if that is more pertinent to fat chicks, fine. I don't think that's fair in any way. fuckshits come in all shapes and sizes and genders. they are out there. they feed off whatever you dish out. unfortunately, that means that the majority of reasonable fans miss out because you read that shit more than you do their positive stuff. if you want a get-out based on unnervy fans, please, use another one. that one reeks. and really makes you sound like a fud. sorry.

 

06/10/09 4:22 PM

I'm glad he's not Trent Reznor from 1994.
Though, Terminator Salvation would have been a better movie if they cast him in it.

TR-94 as the terminator who thinks he's human/good, leads them into a trap. then sacrifices himself at the end.
Wait a sec . . .



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 06/10/2009 09:43PM by db74.

 

06/10/09 5:29 PM

I have to admit, I used to have a small fan-girl crush on you, Trent. Twitter helped to relieve me of that because I got to see you as a person. It was really nice to have that veil of "mystery" lifted so I could appreciate NIN and Trent as two separate entities.
Either way, don't let the haters get you down, you'll always have love & support from your true fans <3

 

06/10/09 4:31 PM

Buttercup posted:
...and I went to the show in May in Toronto.

(None of us are the same people we were in 1994, even those who refuse to accept this fact.)

Then, via the NIN boards, which I had joined, I ended up chatting with a bunch of amazing people who helped me through this rough time, almost all of whom I still keep in touch with via some electronic form today (and hell, even in person...
...NIN is all about love and romance. To me, anyways. Some of the best people I know I met through the love of your music. Trent, your music brings people together in ways that you are probably only beginning to understand. As one of my dearest online friends says, “the best part of being a NIN fan is the friendships that we’ve made, and the spouses we have found”...
qft!
Nicely written Buttercup smiling smiley

I am very fortunate to have met such a great group of people as the result of taking a chance and joining an online group.

 

06/10/09 4:32 PM

I'm sure what I'm going to say has been said already in some form, sprinkled throughout the last 14+ pages, but I don't pretend to be the most groundbreaking, original individual ever on the internet, so I suppose it doesn't really matter. smiling smiley

First of all, Trent, I just want to thank you for giving us a glimpse of "the man behind the music" and sharing with us your insights on music, technology, scifi geerkery (as an unabashed nerd myself, I found all the Star Trek talk particularly entertaining!), and life in general! Furthermore, reading your Twitter updates--especially about everything you've done to help with #Eric's cause--helped restore some of my faith in humanity: there really still are people (even celebrities, who all too often get portrayed badly when it comes to awareness whether fair or not) who give a shit about the world and what's going on in it. In a seeminly self-absorbed era, thank you for being one of those few people that still do care.

While I'll miss reading your updates as they were hands down my favorite to read out of all the people I follow, I more than understand your disgust for social networking and desire to no longer be a part of it and the way it opens a person up to complete rubbish. Honestly, I'm not even anyone important, but when I read some of the heinous things people have the audacity to say to/about someone they don't really even know, I often get the urge just walk away from it all. Furthermore, it's just disgusting that people can be so selfish and unhappy that they begrudge you the happiness of being in love and the fact that you've cleaned up and changed and grown as a person in the last 15 years. I guess it just shows how all you've got to do is give a self-important coward a keyboard and he/she will grow a huge pair. I suppose as long as the internet allows people to hide behind a veil of anonymity, that will always be the case for a few creeps.

Personally, I wish you and Mariqueen the very best and I'm glad you're so much happier and healthier than you were in 1994! I hope the haters that are wasting their lives plaguing you and you fiancee 24/7 either a) eventually snap to and realize just how rotten it is put down two happy people simply because they're not happy or b) take your advice to heart and end their miserable existences (or at the very least end their existence on the internet--some time out in the fresh air would do the lot of them some good, I'm sure!).

Anyway, thanks again for everything: the incredible music, fantastic concerts, and for taking the risk and putting yourself out there online to begin with! thumbs up

 
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