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08/28/09 11:13 PM

For anyone is interested in this matter in the area, this sounds like it would be worth attending. Veronica just sent me this:


NINE INCH NAILS FANS URGED TO RALLY FOR HEALTH CARE REFORM IN TIMES SQUARE ON SATURDAY, AUGUST 29 AT 2PM

Nine Inch Nails' east coast fans are invited to join Members of Congress, Health Care for America Now, Organizing for America and others this Saturday, August 29 in Times Square, NYC for a tribute to one of health care reform's greatest champions and a rally to send Congressional leaders back to work on passing real reform this fall.

One of the keynote speakers for the event will be Veronica De La Cruz, a popular television journalist and former CNN Internet correspondent, who will be sharing the story of her brother Eric. As a young man who was not offered benefits by his employer, Eric had few options when he developed severe dilated cardiomyopathy and his heart could no longer function normally. Veronica turned to the power of social media giant Twitter to overcome red tape and save the life of her younger brother Eric. Through the support of thousands, including a massive fundraising campaign by Nine Inch Nails and their incredible fans, Eric's struggle inspired an entire community to mobilize for change to our health care system.

Veronica will share her story with the crowd, and combine with other speakers to send a clear message both to their elected officials and to their fellow citizens across the country that now is the time to rededicate ourselves to completing Senator Kennedy's unfinished work to achieve quality, affordable health care for all.

What: "The Dream Lives On: Together We Walk, United We Stand" Community Walks and Times Square Tribute

Who: Veronica De La Cruz, the Honorable Jerrold Nadler, the Honorable Carolyn Maloney, the Honorable Yvette Clarke (all confirmed to speak), and a grassroots coalition of over 75 organizations

When: Saturday, August 29, at 2:00 pm

Where: Times Square
West 42nd Street and 7th Avenue
New York City

Note: Tribute will be preceded by community walks beginning at hospitals throughout the five boroughs, from 12 noon onward. See complete list at www.nycforchange.org


She mentioned how cool it would be to see some #NIN/#ERIC signs in the crowd (hint, hint). I would be here if I didn't have to play a show - maybe some of you out there can represent.

Thanks,
Trent

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08/29/09 12:17 AM

I got a flyer for this event each day waiting in line. They were nice, informative people. I wish I lived in the NYC area, I'd be there to support. Sometimes I feel like my signature is not enough. Hope it goes well!

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08/29/09 12:28 AM

I'd do this if I was in the NYC area.....

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08/29/09 12:53 AM

it sounds really interesting event for me.
I could not think of her brother's illiness as someone else's business because my bro has also heart illiness(DCM) and I always wonder why the US does not offer equal health care to the nations.It seems that now is the time to discuss and reform the health care seriously.
but I kinda hesitate to join the event tomorrow because I am not an american citizen...

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08/29/09 1:08 AM

I'm not an American Citizen, but I do feel that America's health care system needs to be discussed properly and seriously. Now.

I hope all goes well for the rally tomorrow. It's nice to see Trent is still taking an interest in this stuff.

Is there a petition I can sign? grinning smiley



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08/29/09 1:13 AM

As someone with a severe heart condition and a contributor to the Eric fund, I will be there!

NIN has given so much to me over the years. In a small way, this is a way for me to give back!

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08/29/09 1:21 AM

Fuck living on the West Coast.

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08/29/09 1:32 AM

This sounds awesome. I wish I lived there (for so many reasons). I urge everyone near NYC to go out there and represent NIN for the fans that cannot be there.

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08/29/09 2:12 AM

trent_reznor posted:

She mentioned how cool it would be to see some #NIN/#ERIC signs in the crowd (hint, hint).

I don't get it.

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08/29/09 2:30 AM

Erase posted:
I'm not an American Citizen, but I do feel that America's health care system needs to be discussed properly and seriously. Now.

I hope all goes well for the rally tomorrow. It's nice to see Trent is still taking an interest in this stuff.

Is there a petition I can sign? grinning smiley


yes. you can sign for the petition (if it's still available on there) on Veronica De La Cruz 's site.

and yea, i'm not fromthere either, but here in france unfortunately it tends to be like this, like somewhere else and well, just hope things will changed for them, and yes, sad to hear that Health doesn't appears as one of the first thing to preserve in a human's life, adding to respect and liberty to think and to be, all differents, but all looking for the same stuff, respect and love so, people if you could join it there, come on, it's time to prove that we can.

ok it won't change the entire world in a global "happy bubble" but it will change it a few, for better days surely after, so let's react.


peace to ya

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08/29/09 4:04 AM

For-anyone-who-is-UNinterested-in-this-matter-in-the-area, go in my stead, will you? Kthx. :B


VVV Oh, sorry, forgot to just paste the quote into a new edition of this post. :p



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08/29/09 4:06 AM

Shitfuckdamn posted:
trent_reznor posted:

She mentioned how cool it would be to see some #NIN/#ERIC signs in the crowd (hint, hint).

I don't get it.
*brusquely GRABS YOUR BOOBS AND PAINTS TEXT ON 'EM*

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08/29/09 4:35 AM

VERY COOL! Thank you for the heads up! thumbs up HMMMM....confused smiley *smell of wood burning*

RESEARCH FOR ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED.....If you aren't planning on driving to this thing, but would take a train ....This is only a 1 mile walk from Penn Station up 7th Ave...Amtrak's last train out of NYC is shortly after the RALLY begins so if you're planning on taking a train use NJ Transit, it's a much longer ride but you can get trains every half hour or so in or out of the city.


*****(IDK how much of a heads up you guys were given) But um...next time could you give us a WEE LITTLE bit more of a "heads up" on this stuff...it's kinda hard to plan on such short notice...and for something that starts around 2PM and is this monumental, you wanna get to NY early and I'm getting my car fixed this morning so as tempting as the train looks IDK if I'm gonna make it which SUCKS cause I'd really love to be a part of this. If you notified earlier you could rally groups of fans and also it would be easier in figuring out how to deal with the crowds. (It's probably gonna be a mob scene (BUT A GOOD ONE, FOR A GOOD CAUSE))...Seriously though, if we'd had more time we could've gotten rooms in NYC hotels and probably organized more NIN FANS traveling etc. so if you could post it a week or even a day or two earlier, please, it would be most awesome! I'm gonna keep my eye out for stuff in Philly too (hopefully) grinning smiley And I may still make this too IDK I'll have to see what I can FENAGLE! THANKS AGAIN! (DAMN IT I really wanted to go to this...*sigh*...SHITE!)



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08/29/09 6:08 AM

I'll be there. I'm going to try to get a sign made fast too. I'm sorry I didn't have a lot of extra $$$ to donate to Eric, but I can afford my time.

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08/29/09 6:24 AM

I'm one of the many organizers for this rally and I just wanted to add my 2 cents...

TRENT - THANK YOU...from the bottom of our hearts! Your kind heart and continued generosity never ceases to amaze me! Allowing us to publicize this event at your shows and now this mention on NIN.com is sure to help make this event a huge success! Hopefully, together with millions of people working across this country, horror stories like that of Eric De La Cruz will be a thing of the past! Thank you for joining this fight for REAL HEALTH CARE REFORM and thank you for MAKING A DIFFERENCE!

NIN FANS IN THE NYC AREA - Please come out and support our girl Veronica De La Cruz! This rally is happening come rain or shine! We're all in this together and we CAN'T win this fight without you. Feel free to bring signs, wear your NIN gear, etc....but most importantly BRING YOURSELVES! So PLEASE...walk, swim or RUN to Times Square, NYC and be there by 2pm TODAY! Can't wait to see you all there!



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08/29/09 7:30 AM

Before you start marching for socialized health care, make sure you READ, understand, and consider the ramifications of the proposed bill the President is trying to pass to achieve it first.


Please.

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08/29/09 7:45 AM

looks like I may be going to the city today -

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08/29/09 7:54 AM

i work a block away,i'll be there

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08/29/09 8:32 AM

be there if i knew earlier. i've been wondering when the other sides voice will begin to be heard.

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08/29/09 8:49 AM

trent_reznor posted:
For anyone is interested in this matter in the area, this sounds like it would be worth attending. Veronica just sent me this:


NINE INCH NAILS FANS URGED TO RALLY FOR HEALTH CARE REFORM IN TIMES SQUARE ON SATURDAY, AUGUST 29 AT 2PM

Nine Inch Nails' east coast fans are invited to join Members of Congress, Health Care for America Now, Organizing for America and others this Saturday, August 29 in Times Square, NYC for a tribute to one of health care reform's greatest champions and a rally to send Congressional leaders back to work on passing real reform this fall.

One of the keynote speakers for the event will be Veronica De La Cruz, a popular television journalist and former CNN Internet correspondent, who will be sharing the story of her brother Eric. As a young man who was not offered benefits by his employer, Eric had few options when he developed severe dilated cardiomyopathy and his heart could no longer function normally. Veronica turned to the power of social media giant Twitter to overcome red tape and save the life of her younger brother Eric. Through the support of thousands, including a massive fundraising campaign by Nine Inch Nails and their incredible fans, Eric's struggle inspired an entire community to mobilize for change to our health care system.

Veronica will share her story with the crowd, and combine with other speakers to send a clear message both to their elected officials and to their fellow citizens across the country that now is the time to rededicate ourselves to completing Senator Kennedy's unfinished work to achieve quality, affordable health care for all.

What: "The Dream Lives On: Together We Walk, United We Stand" Community Walks and Times Square Tribute

Who: Veronica De La Cruz, the Honorable Jerrold Nadler, the Honorable Carolyn Maloney, the Honorable Yvette Clarke (all confirmed to speak), and a grassroots coalition of over 75 organizations

When: Saturday, August 29, at 2:00 pm

Where: Times Square
West 42nd Street and 7th Avenue
New York City

Note: Tribute will be preceded by community walks beginning at hospitals throughout the five boroughs, from 12 noon onward. See complete list at www.nycforchange.org


She mentioned how cool it would be to see some #NIN/#ERIC signs in the crowd (hint, hint). I would be here if I didn't have to play a show - maybe some of you out there can represent.

Thanks,
Trent
is there a possibility for some kind of online petition, cause i`m not living in states, but would like to contribute?
thnx

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08/29/09 9:59 AM

Most of the information is on her website here.

Wish I was there. It is sooo tough to get good healthcare these days for me and my daughter. Being recently unemployed does make matters worse. Especially when I am in remission for cancer. The whole 'pre-existing condition' thing is BS!

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08/29/09 11:13 AM

Sorry I can't attend. Sending good karma your way.

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08/29/09 2:40 PM

ratexla posted:
Shitfuckdamn posted:
trent_reznor posted:

She mentioned how cool it would be to see some #NIN/#ERIC signs in the crowd (hint, hint).

I don't get it.
*brusquely GRABS YOUR BOOBS AND PAINTS TEXT ON 'EM*

Sweet Jesus.

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08/29/09 2:43 PM

MALICiouSMAGgot posted:
Before you start marching for socialized health care, make sure you READ, understand, and consider the ramifications of the proposed bill the President is trying to pass to achieve it first.


Please.

Do you actually expect people to read a 1018 page bill that will irreversibly change our lives? It would take 2 days and you'd have to have 2 lawyers there with you. Give me a break if you think I'm doing that. Just tell me what's in it and I'll take you on your word. Same goes for the people who are going to vote on it, no need to read it, just get an overview. (heavy sarcasm is applicable here)

I'm sorry Trent, I love your music but you're dead wrong to support this. Reform is needed to be sure, but not in the form of this insane, nightmare of a bill. And before anyone commences the flaming, honestly take a look at what's in the bill. If you're not shocked and appalled, if you don't see how this will strip away even more of your freedom, then go for it. But this is not about race or party or anything else like that. This is about our lives and our freedom and our rights (health care not being one, by the way). I think reform is needed, but absolutely not in this form.

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08/29/09 3:55 PM

While I live to far away to have attend the rally my, I was there in spirit. I myself was diagnosed in March with a uncommon, incurable neurological disease. While it will not shorten my life span...if not given the proper health care I will end up in agony and bed bound for the rest of my life. I am going to lose my health insurance (cobra) in a few months and can't get a job because my disease is not under control. Because of how fucked up our heath care is the private cost of a plan for me with this illness is more than a car payment on a 7 series BMW. I am 28 years old, can't get a job because of my illness and soon won't be able to buy the drugs that are keeping my disease from reeking more havoc on my body.

This is fucking America and I know my story is one of many and not as severe as many out there. We must be heard! For us who have an illness, we are being imprisoned. Thank you to everyone rallying for change.

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08/29/09 3:57 PM

Imaginate posted:
This is about our lives and our freedom and our rights (health care not being one, by the way).

You're right in saying that healthcare is not a right...but it should be. There simply is no question about that. And absolutely this is about our lives, our freedom and our rights... our right to be well, healthy, and not terrified that the next illness or injury is going to bankrupt you; and it's hard to be or feel "free" when you're ill and drowning in medical debts, and yes, our very lives could be at stake if we can't access the care we need. Sound melodramatic? Not when it's your personal existance, when it's real.

From an historical perspective, the Founding Fathers would never even have considered adding health care as one of the "inaliable rights", because health care simply didn't exist as we know it at the time. Sure, there were doctors, but their idea of treatment was bloodletting using filthy instruments, brutal amputations, leaches (which, actually, do work well for some things, even now), and if you were very lucky, herbal remedies that actually had some efficacy and didn't kill you. But there was no such thing as organized, reliably effective health care. So how could they be expected to include something that had no bearing or relevance to their existance? It would be like asking them to include guidelines regarding space travel.

Just because it wasn't a human right in the eighteenth century doesn't mean it shouldn't be one now. It surely must be one of the most basic of human rights, for all people, and hopefully someday it will spread to include all of humanity. But for now, we need to work here to get all the people in the US a decent, basic, reliable source of care, regardless of their income, social status, employment status, or any other of the factors that impede such treatment. It's just insane that it doesn't exist already.

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08/29/09 5:00 PM

Imaginate posted:
If you're not shocked and appalled, if you don't see how this will strip away even more of your freedom, then go for it.

Personally, I'm shocked and appalled at the way things are now.

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08/29/09 5:06 PM

I'm not going to argue about what should or should not be an inalienable right. I'm not really the best debater. But, I simply don't agree with you redjen.

If the government was going to provide an insurance option, that is actually optional, well frankly I'm not sure how it could work. If you read the bill they are proposing, any logical person can see what it will eventually do. It will force you to take the government "option" whether you want it or not. It will take away the right to choose. It will only make things worse for the poor and middle class. Anyone who thinks this will be free of charge, where do you think the 1-2 trillion dollars are going to come from they need to pay for it? No one works for free, and you better believe your taxes will rise.

So, do you really trust the government to run something so complex? I don't when Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are all but broke and barely provide any substantial benefits to anyone. All that tax I pay every month is totally wasted. But somehow you think that they can run the whole system better than the private sector? I just can't imagine it. Where did all this faith in the government come from anyway?

Obama perfectly illustrated that point himself: "If you think about it, UPS and FedEx are doing fine. It's the (federal government run) post office that's always having problems." The USPS isn't half as complex of an organization as the health care network.

You know what else gets me, they keep talking about the monopoly in the health insurance industry. Do these people have any understanding of what a monopoly is? How many different companies offer insurance? More than one last time I checked. Just because the government doesn't provide the service, somehow there's a monopoly? That's truly ridiculous.

So you want to lower costs? Here are some ideas. Tort reform. Reserve insurance only for emergencies, catastrophic accidents, cancer, that kind of thing. Pay for low cost visits and medications out of pocket. Remove restrictions on crossing state lines to obtain insurance. All that would ease the cost of care. How much? I can't say. But it's insane to think it wouldn't be significant.

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08/29/09 6:04 PM

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How much? I can't say.
You can't say because you don't know what you are talking about. You can't say because you get your information from talk radio and cable news talking heads. You are merely regurgitating the lies that you have heard. When you or a loved one becomes a victim of our wonderful health care system you may then understand why it sucks.
Tort reform would have little impact on cost: [www.cbo.gov]
posted:
But even large savings in premiums can have only a small direct impact on health care spending--private or governmental--because malpractice costs account for less than 2 percent of that spending.(3)
health care lies- if you choose to believe them you are choosing to be ignorant on the issues.
[www.factcheck.org]

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08/29/09 6:14 PM

It was a great event. Many props to the dude that made the kick-ass "NIN Fans Together 4 Eric" sign! I'm bummed that you missed Veronica by like 15 minutes. You deserved some recognition for your craftsmanship and excellent upper arm strength in holding that sign up for so long.

It was powerful to hear of Eric's struggle from Veronica personally. I can't imagine the difficulty of telling that story through all the frustration and grief and still have room to empower people like that. But you can hear how much she adored her brother through all of it. She really called out the current health care system and the craziness of being branded with a pre-existing condition. I can relate to that since it's the reason that as a temp worker, I can't get health insurance today (after going through a serious and costly illness 6 years ago without insurance).

The ongoing health care debate is just that and it'll continue for a while I imagine. Events like these to me aren't so much about picking sides and debating details but about coming together as a community to fight for something we all know needs fixing. For better or for worse, it means something to me to see my elected NYC representatives (Rep. Yvette Clarke rocks) participating in some public accountability about what they're doing in DC--not to mention joining in with community groups and advocates and professionals to assure me that solutions will be pursued. Personally, I'm really pleased to see Trent continuing to back that idea.

I had planned on attending when I got the flyer on Tuesday but I had forgotten until this morning. Even though I was tired and hungry and cranky from work this morning I figured if I could stand the hellish heat of Terminal 5, I could risk the rain and drag my ass to Times Square for a couple of hours. I'm really glad I went.

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