psss posted:

PeedroPaula posted:

Q responded to a question on her Facebook page [www.facebook.com] saying the blond was an extra and she doesn't remember her name.

whoa...only 4 people in the video shot, 2 very accomplished male artists, rare bigtime opportunity, "doesn't remember", maybe the next video will have a lifeless body singing on a burning bridge.

She was an "extra" ferchristsake...not everyone needs to be burdened with remembering everyone they hire for everything. I'm sure there were more important things for her to remember/focus on that day.

Everything Trent touches turns to GOLD!!! Loving HTDA!!!

da905 posted:

wow, honestly, there are some people here using emotional/psychological blackmail to get others to submit to their feelings/thoughts/opinions on this project (when negative). Some here seem to be very good at making others see their point of view, - and i'm sure they're doing Trent a great service by tentatively hounding those expressing any sort of negative feedback on this project (for whatever reason). This is worrying. There are as many (unwarranted) positive comments as there are (unwarranted) negative ones. Can't we just be happy with a 30/70 split and stop over intellectualising on this thang? I know there are some very cleaver people on here who can be very persuasive... but when that is added to a COMPLETE OBSESSION with the subject, it gets a little eerie. I thought this was a forum for free expression and individuality. We can't all be "won over".

This is getting a life of it's own. SHouldn't the artists and artists alone be defending their material. Who's anyone to say they understand it enough to defend its virtues.

I'm frightened to agree with you, last time I expressed myself freely it didn't go to well, and then people started putting words in my mouth, or rather manipulating my own words and putting them back in my mouth.

I love this, concept to sound! Cannot comprehend why those who dislike HTDA or are disappointed feel the need to tear it down and argue over it. Trent is facing the typical artists trap of his own success, trapped in a NIN world by his own, adoring fans. If a body of work he creates or works with does not sound like NIN, people are going to compare and dislike, critique and fault.

It's not NIN, It's HTDA.

Trent as an artist will always have a basic, core style (as great painters do/did - different pieces, but similar - Rembrandt always painted like, um, well Rembrandt! Might not like every painting, but do appreciate the mastery involved to create.) so of course it will have signature Reznor sounds peppered throughout. And, as one of the most influential and generous artists of his time, I would hope his fans would support and enjoy. If from a purely subjective pov you don't care for the sound of HTDA, then move on to something you do like with a thanks for 20 years of NIN.

I personally love the sound, slow sultry female vocals to the slower tempo of the music!

Additionally, I think, wow - what a blast this must be; have fun, involve your love, create together! Music/musicians mature, grow, evolve - they're human! Who here looks, talks, thinks, acts and behaves precisely as they did 20 years ago?

If Trent were still out there writing PHM or TDS over and over, then screaming out Terrible Lie in a NIN 2020 tour - he'd be critiqued for pandering to his audience and not growing and evolving. Did everyone here who loved TDS love Ghosts? The Fragile and Year Zero? They're different pieces with the influence of time, place, experience and life. I feel so lucky to love all of NINs' work as I grew and changed along the way too.

This very evolution of music and musicians gave us NIN and 20 years of edgy, thought provoking, insightful music that has enhanced our lives!

Trent, Thanks for NIN! ...And I, for one, am grateful for your music. And, just so happens that, as stated, I love what I've seen / heard of HTDA so far (huh, guess I'm maturing along with 'ya.)! ...Perhaps in another 20 it'll be a gig in Boston with a 100 piece orchestra... Who knows, but I'll likely be along for the ride!

D

lalalondon posted:

The video is really good and i like the song but it sounds way too much like NIN... why have another band if it's gonna be the same?

i think he chose the lesser of two headaches.

if he would've kept it NIN ..do you realize the amount of bitching there would be?

i'm sure there would've been a bunch of "Mariqueen isn't NIN!" and apocalyptic end of the world scenarios..along with more Ruiner lyrics.

I fucking love it. Chills.

1st time watching - - wuz okay . . 2nd time - - cool vids, trying to catch the vocals . . 3rd time - - musically interesting undertones, vocals cleaner . . NOW - - as with all TR endeavors . . I think it's gonna be an interesting ride into the new spectrum of their combined collaboration - - looking forward to the EP - - after 20 yrs (and 40 shows) of NIN I feel HDTA is going to, while in a different way, evolve into another very satisfying musical ride - - and, it's ALL about the MUSIC

Music video was pretty freaking awesome...music was even better

Love where Trent and Trentwife are going with their new sound.

Do we have any sort of release date on the album?

fantastic stuff.. haven't been excited about a new record in ages.

YKWYA posted:

da905 posted:

There are as many (unwarranted) positive comments as there are (unwarranted) negative ones... I thought this was a forum for free expression and individuality. We can't all be "won over".

'Freedom of expression' and 'indiviuality' does not mean that opinions expressed are protected from scrutiny. That applies to all comments made both positive and negative. 'Freedom of expression' does not protect against scrutiny - it encourages it. And I would have hoped/thought that everyone here would want to form reasonable opinions that do stand up to questions and scrutiny from other people. It isnt about winning anyone over. It is about seeing something expressed that is contradictory and flawed and saying so. The beauty of forums is that what is said is in black and white - and it can be pinned down. Now, either this exposes an unreasonable opinion or it forces the writer to think about what they write, because if they do not mean what they put in words then why say it in the first place?

But, I digress.

I love the way you cherry pick bits of peoples posts, and then string them together so they are then removed from the context of the original post, you are just demonstrating what that post was actually about.

YKWYA posted:

Good, I am glad you like it. I like to be concise too. There is no 'context', she is either saying that 'Freedom of expression' means that other people shouldnt try and 'win over' other people or she isnt.

I am saying that 'winning people over' has nothing to do with whether you post contradictory and unreasonable opinions.

If you do, expect me to excersise my 'freedom' to express as much.

But do you not think that words written in black and white may be misunderstood or misread, you cannot presume to know exactly what people are meaning in their use of words, because you cannot possible know what they are feeling or the what context those words hold for them as an individual.

And perhaps your form of "scrutiny" and use of words like "if they do not mean what they put in words then why say it in the first place? " and posing questions like "I get the feeling that you guys think Trent somehow owes you something?" can come across as antagonistic rather than probing or lead to anything other than argument rather than discussion.

What you believe to be contradictory or unreasonable is not necessarily the truth, and you are free to express yourself about that, but not by derailing people, or manipulating there words to suit your opinion, use your own words. And if you do perhaps try and be a bit more positive about it, rather than trying to expose peoples weakness, or by picking apart and analyzing every word that is said. What is said may not be fact, but it is someones thought and positive or negative it is unique to them.

mono76 posted:

But do you not think that words written in black and white may be misunderstood or misread, you cannot presume to know exactly what people are meaning in their use of words, because you cannot possible know what they are feeling or the what context those words hold for them as an individual.

I would call that vague. And, pretty pointless, if you are posting on a forum using words that have general meaning - only to duck out when questioned on your words by saying they are 'unique' to you.

mono76 posted:

And perhaps your form of "scrutiny" and use of words like "if they do not mean what they put in words then why say it in the first place? " and posing questions like "I get the feeling that you guys think Trent somehow owes you something?" can come across as antagonistic rather than probing or lead to anything other than argument rather than discussion.

No. Just direct questions. That you still havnt answered incidentally. And I wasnt the only who thought that.

mono76 posted:

What you believe to be contradictory or unreasonable is not necessarily the truth, and you are free to express yourself about that, but not by derailing people, or manipulating there words to suit your opinion, use your own words.

Take this for an example from your string of posts:

mono76 posted:

I am not suggesting there is any deceipt

YKWYA posted:

Yes, You did.

mono76 posted:

it just feels rushed, contrived, manufactured

mono76 posted:

why produce the same stuff then, why try and pretend it's something else

That has nothing to do with my beliefs. What you said contradicts itself. It doesnt make sense. I am not manipulating. I am not derailing.

mono76 posted:

And if you do perhaps try and be a bit more positive about it, rather than trying to expose peoples weakness, or by picking apart and analyzing every word that is said.

If anything, I do encourage people around here - even if by exposing the weakness of your opinion you go away and rethink it and what you type. Then yes, I will continue to do that. If you think I am being harsh I suggest you visit somehwere like ets. People read what you say on forums - thats what happens. Get used to it.

mono76 posted:

What is said may not be fact, but it is someones thought and positive or negative it is unique to them.

What I love is how you come here. You post your 'opinion'. Your opinion is exposed as not really thought out, and contradictory. You then start to blame others for the fact that they do not understand your 'unique' point of view. And are somehow limiting your 'freedom of expression' in doing so. Now, call me 'antagonistic' but that argument is utterly ridiculous. If words were 'unique' to every individual then what would be the point in language?

But, this discussion does belong somewhere else such as the shitlist or moderation thread.



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lalalondon posted:

The video is really good and i like the song but it sounds way too much like NIN... why have another band if it's gonna be the same?

maybe not so much that is sounds like nin that is upsetting, but that it's hard to accept any other vocal vessel to express what depth, heart and beautiful destruction trent is able to express... her voice does nothing for me... i feel nothing from her... the music is of course a separate entity and that is all i can do to move on from this. please excuse my melancholy.

mono76 posted:

"But, this discussion does belong somewhere else such as the shitlist or moderation thread."
You continue to pull words out of different posts about different things to make them contradictory.

I dont make them contradictory - you wrote them.

I have been objective. But that doesnt mean that I cannot say that what you said was contradictory, and ultimately wrong to suggest that HTDA was Trent pretending to be something else, that he is decieving his 'fanboys' that you implied were cattle (very objective I must say) and ultimately that this whole new project somehow gives lyrics from Ruiner, of all songs, new meaning for you.



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