Is life really mostly sorrow/pain?
 
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03/28/11 6:13 PM

Haven't read it.

RE: your original post - I would say that it depends. Lots and lots of factors to consider.

 

03/28/11 6:47 PM

benpeters posted:
Imaginary_Kevin posted:
benpeters posted:
OMS posted:
benpeters posted:
Samurai_Zombie posted:
OMS posted:
Life is what you make it.
Quoted for truth.
I disagree with this statement. This statement basically says, in my opinion, that no one in the world other than yourself has any meaningful bearing on your life in any way at all.

No, it means making the best out of what life gives you. You have to take advantage of opportunities and learn to accept what you can not change. Sure, there are always outside influences but it's up to "you" as far as how you adapt or make the best out of any situation.

It's not that you, and only you make your own life...it's what you chose to make out of what you are given.
Hypothetically speaking, what if all that ever happened to you was bad? Are you saying that somehow accepting or "making lemonade" with this would make you OK, or, rather, enjoy your life? Even if it was all bad?

What I'm saying is that I feel this line of thought asks you to ignore the bad parts of your life, even if they do come alongside the good parts.

Not acceptance, but ignorance.

I don't think it asks you to ignore the bad parts of your life at all. This philosophy says that you should triumph over them, as best you can.
It still puts too much responsibility in the hands of the "victim".

I'm saying that people need to help each other. Period.

Of course this depends on the situation, but for the most part, you can have all the help in the world from other people, but if you yourself do not want your life to change, it won't. I'm not saying supporting each other isn't valuable, but change needs to start or end with you.



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03/28/11 7:06 PM

Imaginary_Kevin posted:

Of course this depends on the situation, but for the most part, you can have all the help in the world from other people, but if you yourself do not want your life to change, it won't. I'm not saying supporting each other isn't valuable, but change needs to start or end with you.

 

03/28/11 10:57 PM

OMS posted:
Imaginary_Kevin posted:
Of course this depends on the situation, but for the most part, you can have all the help in the world from other people, but if you yourself do not want your life to change, it won't. I'm not saying supporting each other isn't valuable, but change needs to start or end with you.

yep. this.

 

03/29/11 2:34 AM

Imaginary_Kevin, you sir, are a very bright person.

 

03/29/11 6:29 AM

I just read this and found it an interesting study on the subject of emotional pain...



Why a breakup feels like a punch in the stomach

By Linda Carroll

We’ve all been there. A lover, out of the blue, says it’s over. Suddenly there’s a stabbing sensation in the chest, or a wrenching of the gut. Though there’s been no physical damage, it really hurts.

Scientists now know why we feel as if we’ve been physically wounded when the hurt is emotional. A study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences found that the same brain areas spark, whether we’re experiencing physical pain or deep emotional distress.

“It means that the expression, ‘My feelings are hurt,’ may be more than just a metaphor,” says the study’s lead author, Ethan Kross, an assistant professor in the psychology department at the University of Michigan.

Earlier scanning studies had shown that the brain doesn’t see any difference between the negative emotions elicited by physical and emotional pain.

But Kross and his colleagues wondered if they could explain the actual physical pains people feel when they experience rejection.

The researchers rounded up 40 people who had been dumped by a lover within the previous six months – so the pain of rejection was still fresh.

For the first part of the experiment, the 40 were touched with a hot probe while they lay in a brain scanner. The probe wasn’t hot enough to burn, but it did hurt. “It’s akin to holding a really hot cup of coffee without the little guard to protect your hand,” Kross says. “You wouldn’t want to do it forever, but it doesn’t burn you.”

For the next part of the experiment, study volunteers were again scanned, but this time they were asked to concentrate on a photo of their ex-lover and to think about the break-up.

The same brain areas lit up whether people were being touched by the hot probe or they were mentally reliving their rejections. Some of those areas were the ones that are involved in processing negative emotions, but other areas -- those that help us sense physical pain -- also lit up.

Kross suspects we’ve evolved to feel actual pain at separation because way back when humans were on the savannah they needed to stay connected. Being alone was dangerous -- you’d be more of a target for the wandering saber-toothed tiger.

“One of the most negative things to happen, in terms of survival, is being excluded from the group,” Kross says. “So the feeling of physical pain would be a powerful cue to pay attention to what you’re doing.”

 

03/29/11 7:49 AM

I was assaulted by an aggressive panhandler on the weekend who hurled profanity at me.
I've had lots of abusive relationships with the opposite gender as well.
So right now I would have to say yes. Ask me in another year.



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03/29/11 6:10 PM

Imaginary_Kevin posted:
Of course this depends on the situation, but for the most part, you can have all the help in the world from other people, but if you yourself do not want your life to change, it won't. I'm not saying supporting each other isn't valuable, but change needs to start or end with you.

Except when you try and try and keep falling on your face, and are already depressed, you kind of get apathetic. Not really a pity party, more of an acknowledgment of your own innate suckiness at life.

 

03/30/11 4:24 PM

OMS posted:
Imaginary_Kevin posted:

Of course this depends on the situation, but for the most part, you can have all the help in the world from other people, but if you yourself do not want your life to change, it won't. I'm not saying supporting each other isn't valuable, but change needs to start or end with you.
You're basically saying that everybody in the world is alone. Period.

 

03/30/11 4:47 PM

benpeters posted:
OMS posted:
Imaginary_Kevin posted:

Of course this depends on the situation, but for the most part, you can have all the help in the world from other people, but if you yourself do not want your life to change, it won't. I'm not saying supporting each other isn't valuable, but change needs to start or end with you.
You're basically saying that everybody in the world is alone. Period.

no, he's saying that change has to start within yourself, and that another person can't do that for you. he's in no way saying that everyone is alone.

methinks you're not really interested in being open to the input and viewpoints of others.

 
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