LBoogie posted:

To Sweet Jane:

Adam Ant did Physical. Not Queen.

Your point is well taken- everyone should be free to express their opinion (expcept for Nickelback suggestions, wtf?). And everyone should be allowed to respectfully disagree in the spirit of a lively debate. It's all in good fun.

Respectfully disagree... absolutely, but its sad alot of the opinions expressed here are as far from respectful as you can get.

lol and you are absoluetly right.... I was thinking of one thing while typing another (Queen= Get Down Make Love). 20 or so years ago live covers like that were a nice surprise during the set. I think during one performance AA joined NIN on stage for Physical if I can remember right.

I think I like Psycho Killer so much because I think of this version more than the orginal....[www.youtube.com]

juniperus posted:

Yeah, yeah... fine. I think you perhaps fail to realize that some of the outlandish suggestions (and I include mine, although the Motown ramble was in direct response to other Motown commentary - I really wouldn't have brought them up otherwise) point directly to the overwhelming impression that Trent could potentially cover anything and make it his.

Who said anything about him "making it his?" I'm just talking about bad covers and redundant covers. Even if Trent made it "his," that doesn't mean it'll sound good. It's not like Trent hasn't written a bad song before.

juniperus posted:

Genre-jumping covers can be effing amazing,

I'm not against genre jumping in general.

juniperus posted:

A fine fucking song is a fine fucking song, and a fine fucking musician is a fine fucking musician.

When you use the word song, I'm assuming you're talking about the melodies/harmonies/lyrics and if so, your claim just isn't true. There are plenty of songs that ONLY work because of the timbre and production involved. Try playing a song like "Screaming Slave" in any other genre other than the original and perhaps with an orchestra and it'll fall apart. There's a reason why certain artists that have a big following hardly ever get covered (i.e., Aphex Twin). Did you see Axl Rose and Elton John cover Bohemian Rhapsody at the Queen Tribute concert? When the operatic bridge came, they didn't even attempt to do something with it and they just played the original tape for that part.

SweetJane posted:

I thought this was a forum for posting thoughts, let me see

It is. Who said it wasn't? I certainly never said you shouldn't post your thoughts. I was just posting my thoughts on your thoughts.

SweetJane posted:

I've honestly never heard covers of most of my suggestions... undoubtedly we frequent different concerts. Really an Echo song or Homosapien? Who did that? I'd honestly love to hear it.

Then get out more. Look up "The Killing Moon" in wiki and there's a whole paragraph dedicated to the covers.. the same can be said about most of the songs you picked with perhaps the exception of Homosapien with whom I'm not too familiar.

SweetJane posted:

As far as I'm concerned you and any other person here who wants to shit on ANYONE's suggestions here can go fuck yourself. Your opinions are best kept to yourself, unless of course you are in a position to make that judgement (e.g., Trent's ballsack).

But wait... didn't somebody once say, "I thought this was a forum for posting thoughts?"

Who was that? Hmmm... Oh right. It was you.

SweetJane posted:

Most people here have been fans for a very very long time, and have been in the pit enjoying the covers that when looked at on paper seemed like a ridiculous idea.

Most people have a poor understanding of music too. I think people are assuming I'm thinking these covers would be bad because of how their current arrangement or sound isn't like NIN's and I lack the imagination to put them in a NIN context. This is not the case, I'm talking about how the songs on paper, never mind their production and instrumentation, won't work for NIN.

To give you an example, I LOVE Paranoid Android, but the song won't work for NIN because it uses too many chords and the kind of chords and chord progressions Trent avoids. Trent avoiding these kinds of progressions is important in making NIN sound the way it does. Don't believe me? Go to a site that shows you the chords for NIN songs and find the one with the most chords used per song... also take note of what variety of chords he uses (mostly power). I guarantee you the number is really small and he's not using a lot of weirder chords (his melodies tend to create the unusual harmonies). The issue isn't something like, "Radiohead has 3 guitarist plus a bassist and NIN only has 3 at most" it's the actual song that is the problem. And like I said above, I'm sure Trent could cover songs like "Love Will Tear Us Apart" just fine, it would just be a terrible cliche. Why not cover Smells Like Teen Spirit while he's at it?

SweetJane posted:

I'm not in the position to judge anyone else.

You aren't in the position to have an opinion about anybody else (look up the word "judge"? Seems like you're already doing that.

SweetJane posted:

So rather than be a dick about it, keep in mind really at the end of the day who fucking cares?

The same could be said about any of the topics on any forum. We post about what we post because for whatever reason trivial or not, it is interesting or entertaining to us.

SweetJane posted:

I seriously doubt any suggestions will be taken from this board. Trent is a musical genius that doesn't need some highschool kid telling him what would be a cool song to cover.

Maybe so, but the "musical genius" bit is a slightly exaggerated. He's obviously very talented, but he's not on some weird level that prevents him from being able to relate to other peoples' suggestions. His tastes are obviously similar with a lot of people here. We're not talking about Stockhausen for Christ's sake...

SweetJane posted:

Heated debate was a huge part of what made it great, but it wasn't over a subject as insignificant as this. With that I am done....

Funny, if this topic was so insignificant, I wonder why you bothered to reply in the first place (and at decent length too might I add).



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pragmatica posted:

I'd like to see NIN play a kickin' version of the US anthem.

Good save. <3

ZeeKrinkle posted:

Just Curious Vigilx since you do seem to have a well informed opinion and do not just say "no" or insult someone's suggestion but why do you think Psycho Killer by the Talking Heads wouldn't work?

I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about psycho killer... I've never even heard the song so I can't make any comment about it.

ZeeKrinkle posted:

Furthermore, what songs do you think NIN should cover?

Songs in minor that use a lot of neutral chords. Of course I'm not suggesting that Trent never uses those kinds of chords (if memory serves me, one might show up in a Warm Place), but you're not going to hear a Dave Matthews or Jazz progression in NIN... the thick harmony tends to kill the aggression and even when Trent does ballads, he tends to stick with diads and triads... not 7th, 11th and 13th chords.

I suggested Gary Numan's "I die, you die" which granted, might be considered a bad suggestion since he's already covered a Numan song. The same could be said about a song like Decades by Joy Division (good song to cover, but he's already covered a song by that band).

In general though, Gary Numan (excluding Dance and I, Assassin), Joy Division and to a different extent, Depeche Mode write in a way that's pretty similar to Trent. Martin Gore does use some extended chords, but the way it's written is a lot darker than the way other people might use those chords. I honestly think Trent could cover the entire Black Celebration album and it would be great... especially considering the fact that Trent is losing his vocal range and Dave & Martin never sang too high in the first place.

VigilX posted:

SweetJane posted:

Most people here have been fans for a very very long time, and have been in the pit enjoying the covers that when looked at on paper seemed like a ridiculous idea.

Most people have a poor understanding of music too. I think people are assuming I'm thinking these covers would be bad because of how their current arrangement or sound isn't like NIN's and I lack the imagination to put them in a NIN context. This is not the case, I'm talking about how the songs on paper, never mind their production and instrumentation, won't work for NIN.

To give you an example, I LOVE Paranoid Android, but the song won't work for NIN because it uses too many chords and the kind of chords and chord progressions Trent avoids. Trent avoiding these kinds of progressions is important in making NIN sound the way it does. Don't believe me? Go to a site that shows you the chords for NIN songs and find the one with the most chords used per song... also take note of what variety of chords he uses (mostly power). I guarantee you the number is really small and he's not using a lot of weirder chords (his melodies tend to create the unusual harmonies). The issue isn't something like, "Radiohead has 3 guitarist plus a bassist and NIN only has 3 at most" it's the actual song that is the problem. And like I said above, I'm sure Trent could cover songs like "Love Will Tear Us Apart" just fine, it would just be a terrible cliche. Why not cover Smells Like Teen Spirit while he's at it?

This is exactly what i mean.

Wow - so many great ideas here. I, as well, would enjoy Trent's version of Mad World.

The toriphile in me dreams of him covering something Tori - I'm thinking Professional Widow. Oh yes.

Another idea... Running Up That Hill (Kate Bush). It has the potential to turn into a NIN cover masterpiece, similar to how, in my opinion, Placebo's version turned to gold.

VigilX posted:

or Jazz progression in NIN... the thick harmony tends to kill the aggression

March of the Pigs, no? but then again, I suppose it intentionally kills the aggression.

Valene posted:

I, as well, would enjoy Trent's version of Mad World.

Ooh, I'd like to hear that as well!

Slaughter- Fly to the Angels

For a man who loves synthesizers and the people who love him:

"Wavelength" by Van Morrison

you never let me down
when you get me on your wavelength...

I think the real question we should be asking here is: What NIN song should Weird Al cover?

Red Right Hand-Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.

I reckon Sound and Vision by David Bowie

radio ga ga - queen

no quarter-led zeppelin


ohh the possibilities